triggs Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I thought it was a bit s*** asking Pep about FFP and his extra payments after the game today. Nah he gets off very lightly for being such a hypocrite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I'm so sick of pep already. Phenomenal manager, but I root against him and his team everytime now. That miss by Peyrerra early on today man ... was just so pathetic. Really unfortunate. Is he??? Hes been at 3 teams Barcelona,Bayern and Man city all 3 with the richest resources and best players in the division available at his disposal Good managers are ones who get average players playing to another level. Hes a breed of new managers that has been very very fortunate at the teams hes managed Id have more respect for the guy if hed done what hes done at say an Atletico Madrid or a Leverkusen or a Tottenham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I'm so sick of pep already. Phenomenal manager, but I root against him and his team everytime now. That miss by Peyrerra early on today man ... was just so pathetic. Really unfortunate. Is he??? Hes been at 3 teams Barcelona,Bayern and Man city all 3 with the richest resources and best players in the division available at his disposal Good managers are ones who get average players playing to another level. Hes a breed of new managers that has been very very fortunate at the teams hes managed Id have more respect for the guy if hed done what hes done at say an Atletico Madrid or a Leverkusen or a Tottenham Yes, he is. Man City had their riches before he came in but were nowhere near this impressive or dominant. They're probably the second best team I've seen, behind his Barca team around 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Do you think Man City would have achieved 100 points and 98 points with anyone other than Pep? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 They had to win 14 games straight to ensure they won the league after we beat them. Regardless of the money spent, the mental strength and drive he has to instil to achieve that is incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Do you think Man City would have achieved 100 points and 98 points with anyone other than Pep? It isn't about how many points though is it..you either win or you don't. Liverpool got 97 points and finished second, they didn't get enough points, no one will care that they got 97 points in years to come, it wasnt enough and that's that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Do you think Man City would have achieved 100 points and 98 points with anyone other than Pep? It isn't about how many points though is it..you either win or you don't. Liverpool got 97 points and finished second, they didn't get enough points, no one will care that they got 97 points in years to come, it wasnt enough and that's that. people will remember that they got 97 points its utterly ludicrous they got that many only lost 1 game and somehow didn't win the title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Ok then. Do you think Man City would have won the league this season without Pep? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Do you think Man City would have achieved 100 points and 98 points with anyone other than Pep? It isn't about how many points though is it..you either win or you don't. Liverpool got 97 points and finished second, they didn't get enough points, no one will care that they got 97 points in years to come, it wasnt enough and that's that. people will remember that they got 97 points its utterly ludicrous they got that many only lost 1 game and somehow didn't win the title Wey, remember all you want, it didn't win them the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Ok then. Do you think Man City would have won the league this season without Pep? Is this to me? Probably not, but i wasn't really disagreeing anyway. My point is that how many points you win the league with doesn't matter, you win the league, you don't get anything extra for getting x amount of points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Guardiola is great and one of the best working WITH great players and a big checkbook. BUT out of the top managers I think Guardiola would struggle the most managing a bottom 5 team without a checkbook. I think Klopp and Pochettino would all do better than Guardiola in the job of a bottom 5 club with limited money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 What's a checkbook? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I reckon Pep and Klopp (and their setups) could be blips, i.e., one-offs. The best example is probably Neymar, maybe Man U and Chelsea too, but you can't just buy twenty expensive players and let them get on with it. There are too many egos and agents' voices in ears for that. You have to unite them into staying hungry and playing for the team. Lesser managers would still do well with those squads, probably first and second, but 97+ points for both teams is testament to how well those managers are doing. We have never seen this level of consistency before. Note that none of the teams in third to sixth to could put a run together to seal a CL place at the business end of the season. They all have expensive squads too. Love to Rafa for thwarting Man City twice this year. As for the Daniel Storey stat, Brighton's lineup is 37 million after spending "100m" on players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Guardiola is great and one of the best working WITH great players and a big checkbook. BUT out of the top managers I think Guardiola would struggle the most managing a bottom 5 team without a checkbook. I think Pochettino and to a lesser extent Emery would all do better than Guardiola in the job of a bottom 5 club with limited money Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 As for the Daniel Storey stat, Brighton's lineup is 37 million after spending "100m" on players. Aye not sure how It seemed a lot of his big money signings were in and out the team a lot. I know he pulled Izquierdo in and out alot and the impressive Bissouma was always pulled out the team and Locadia. People say he got the best out of that squad I’m not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 What's a checkbook? Ask Guardiola not Benitez Just means money basically. Cheque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 What's a checkbook? Ask Guardiola not Benitez Just means money basically. Cheque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 is Brendan Rodgers a phenomenal manager for managing a team in the country to an unprecedented double treble and an unbeaten season?. In all reality he was given the edge by managing the team that is streets ahead of the rest and the gulf between the likes of celtic and Motherwell,Hearts etc is the same as the gulf between city and the bottom half of the premier league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 You're an idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 You're an idiot How am i an idiot im just pointing out if you're given a distinct advantage over your rivals then you're going to appear a lot better than you really are due to the resources at your disposal compared to the competition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 You've taken a comparison from a very uncompetitive league against one where all 4 teams that entered the competition reached the Champions League Quarter Finals. Also completely ignored each of these with your counterpoint: Man City had their riches before he came in but were nowhere near this impressive or dominant. They're probably the second best team I've seen, behind his Barca team around 2011 Do you think Man City would have achieved 100 points and 98 points with anyone other than Pep? They had to win 14 games straight to ensure they won the league after we beat them. Regardless of the money spent, the mental strength and drive he has to instil to achieve that is incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 is Brendan Rodgers a phenomenal manager for managing a team in the country to an unprecedented double treble and an unbeaten season?. In all reality he was given the edge by managing the team that is streets ahead of the rest and the gulf between the likes of celtic and Motherwell,Hearts etc is the same as the gulf between city and the bottom half of the premier league Aye Brendan Rodgers has always been a bit of a conman. I’ll be interested to see how he does next season still probably Top half becuase of the amount of open teams he will get to play shot for shot with. But I don’t think he is as good as he makes out to the media. “We came to Man City and played with big team personality and dominated the ball for large periods” No you didn’t Brendan Imagine if Rafa came out and said that after a loss with like 35% of the ball or whatever that actor had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I think the fact that Pep has spent his time at big clubs is being used as a stick against him - sure, he can afford the very best players, but if it was as easy as that, the CL final would be PSG v Madrid every year. He's shopping from the very top shelf, but he's still got to choose the right characters, and manage those characters, and create and implement tactical plans, manage the dozen world class players who sit on the bench or in the stands every week - all while not losing ever because you are expected to not lose ever. If it was just Barca, then there would be a case for saying it was "his" club, so it doesn't count. You could then say "yeah, but Bayern," but to be consistently so dominant in three very top leagues - it's more than just chequebook management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Fails in the champions league though, tactically naive in knockout format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 You know who succeeds in the knockout format... 2 finals now: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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