AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Enjoying football without nufc is lovely. Can go and watch games for the enjoyment. Yep, I really would like to watch the PL if NUFC weren’t in it. Problem is you always run the risk of a pundit talking about Steve Bruce or something. If they got relegated I might follow more closely next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Personally stopped posting in this section a couple of months ago and barely been logged in since Rafa left for a variety of reasons, partly due to trying to find ways to disconnect with the club (which is nigh on impossible with being involved so closely over the majority of my existence) and for other reasons only a couple posters know about. Matchdays still have me checking for updates on Twitter, watching it live whenever I can but away from that I’ve barely checked anything related to the club, completely apathetic about it all which is depressing; Rafa’s quote about what 18 year old supporters think about the club now is striking. Especially to me for the obvious reason that I am 18. I’ve had fuck all to be really excited about bar the last 3 and a half years which even still weren’t without their Ashleyisms, imposing misery. But we felt like something resembling a football club with Rafa Benitez in charge and that's been taken away and shat on. I can barely be arsed to get involved with protests against this fat cunt. I admire the people involved and will support them all the way as much as I can but can’t help but feel they’re fighting a losing fight, I think gates this season will mirror those of the first half of 2010/11: 41,000-47,000, which isn’t enough of a statement. Boycotts en masse have seemingly never had the appetite from NUFC supporters, stretching as far back as the period between 1988-1992, the United Supporters for Change group backed a boycott against Leeds in August ‘89 but the majority still went. Attendances dropped when results were bad and we were stuck in Div. 2 and floating in midtable and eventually flirting with relegation: 10,004 against Oxford et al. (anyone around during that period correct me if I’m wrong, may well be talking shite) Ashley could’ve easily avoided all of this: keep Rafa by giving him the pay rise, backing and investment he deserved which wasn’t much in the grand scheme of the PL and would’ve been able to reap the rewards: skim the cream off the top, and advertise his cuntbag company for free, all with minimal input due to the money the club makes from a PL presence. Instead, he’s cut off his nose to spite his face and tried so hard to earn a dishonest penny this transfer window it’ll cost the club a pound. The decisions he’s made have put us on the route to relegation. Deservedly. And I feel like I couldn’t care less. Even if he couldn’t keep Rafa, he could have still appointed a half decent Head Coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Don’t see how this club will stay in the league unless he somehow gets in Mourinho or something and gives him the keys to the club forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Has anyone not highlighted the lying contradictory reports that Ashley and Charnley put out about the fake sheik not wanting Benitez then stating he went for the money These cunts just lie through their teeth more than Trump does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Rafa wanted a bit of a rise for him and his unbonused staff and the ability to turn the club into a professional outfit on a set budget for the benefit of future generations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Ashley is just too slow to make decisions. Mcclaren should have been sacked long before he was. Same will happen with Bruce. He’s gonna get way too much time. So bloody frustrating. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The most sickening thing about the Mike Ashley reign for me is the way his actions and treatment of the club has become normalised. It appears like our fans and the wider football community have just accepted it and thus he can just do what he wants. Helpless to it. Every show of apathy and hatred towards the club and its supporters from Ashley is no longer (or ever has been) met with the appropriate level of resistance. It's just accepted. Us as fans can't really do much, as if our voices can't penetrate the levels he operates on. As if our voices are just background noise coming from a different plane. This is where you would want the papers, the politicians, those high enough up to have an impact on this fucker to show up for the sake of what is right. For the sake of a wonderful football club, one of best in the country, being ran into the ground by a man who not only doesn't show ambition, not only doesn't give a fuck, but appears to actively be trying to piss fans off. I just don't understand how it's been allowed to go on for so long. Are there any examples in this country of a football club owner being removed from their position due to negligence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He has never wanted to sell us ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. Trying in the loosest sense of the word Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. He's never really tried IMO. But do you think it's "easier" to sell the club if we're in the Championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Channel 5 expose on him/SD now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The most sickening thing about the Mike Ashley reign for me is the way his actions and treatment of the club has become normalised. It appears like our fans and the wider football community have just accepted it and thus he can just do what he wants. Helpless to it. Every show of apathy and hatred towards the club and its supporters from Ashley is no longer (or ever has been) met with the appropriate level of resistance. It's just accepted. Us as fans can't really do much, as if our voices can't penetrate the levels he operates on. As if our voices are just background noise coming from a different plane. This is where you would want the papers, the politicians, those high enough up to have an impact on this fucker to show up for the sake of what is right. For the sake of a wonderful football club, one of best in the country, being ran into the ground by a man who not only doesn't show ambition, not only doesn't give a fuck, but appears to actively be trying to piss fans off. I just don't understand how it's been allowed to go on for so long. Are there any examples in this country of a football club owner being removed from their position due to negligence? The fans CAN do a lot, the problem is the fans have never fully come together to do anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. He's never really tried IMO. But do you think it's "easier" to sell the club if we're in the Championship? I think there are two situations where he sells; someone offers him a deal too good to turn down while where in the PL or we actually start costing him money because we're in the Championship (or lower). The evidence we have so far is when we are in the PL, he runs us as a £100m business, but wants £350m+ for us, so think it's unlikely he'll sell us while we are in the PL. Outside of the PL, he "tried" to sell us the first time we went down, but not while Rafa was here. I think the most likely chance for us to get sold is to stay down, because not only is that the uncharted territory, but he's been proven to want ridiculous amounts compared to how he runs club while in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. He's never really tried IMO. But do you think it's "easier" to sell the club if we're in the Championship? I think there are two situations where he sells; someone offers him a deal too good to turn down while where in the PL or we actually start costing him money because we're in the Championship (or lower). The evidence we have so far is when we are in the PL, he runs us as a £100m business, but wants £350m+ for us, so think it's unlikely he'll sell us while we are in the PL. Outside of the PL, he "tried" to sell us the first time we went down, but not while Rafa was here. I think the most likely chance for us to get sold is to stay down, because not only is that the uncharted territory, but he's been proven to want ridiculous amounts compared to how he runs club while in the PL. Which is why it’s the only sane option for the long-term future of this amazing club to want us to be relegated and stay down in the hope it gets rid of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. He's never really tried IMO. But do you think it's "easier" to sell the club if we're in the Championship? I think there are two situations where he sells; someone offers him a deal too good to turn down while where in the PL or we actually start costing him money because we're in the Championship (or lower). The evidence we have so far is when we are in the PL, he runs us as a £100m business, but wants £350m+ for us, so think it's unlikely he'll sell us while we are in the PL. Outside of the PL, he "tried" to sell us the first time we went down, but not while Rafa was here. I think the most likely chance for us to get sold is to stay down, because not only is that the uncharted territory, but he's been proven to want ridiculous amounts compared to how he runs club while in the PL. I agree about the two situations, but I think the first one is more likely. He wants to get as much money as possible for the club. If we’re in the Championship there’s always the risk he wants to get back up before selling. When does the club start costing him money? After one season in the Champo? In a way I’ve resigned to him staying until he decides to sell, for whatever reason, regardless of which division we’re in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Some right fucking melts on twitter https://twitter.com/paullarkin21/status/1163115874456350725 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/18/sports-direct-secrets-of-the-mega-sports-factory-review-multiple-mike-ashleys-my-worst-nightmare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those saying 'we might as well stay up, because he hasn't sold us when we were in the Championship', he's only tried to sell us once when we were down there, while he's been trying to sell us for ages whilst in the Premier League. He's never really tried IMO. But do you think it's "easier" to sell the club if we're in the Championship? I think there are two situations where he sells; someone offers him a deal too good to turn down while where in the PL or we actually start costing him money because we're in the Championship (or lower). The evidence we have so far is when we are in the PL, he runs us as a £100m business, but wants £350m+ for us, so think it's unlikely he'll sell us while we are in the PL. Outside of the PL, he "tried" to sell us the first time we went down, but not while Rafa was here. I think the most likely chance for us to get sold is to stay down, because not only is that the uncharted territory, but he's been proven to want ridiculous amounts compared to how he runs club while in the PL. I agree about the two situations, but I think the first one is more likely. He wants to get as much money as possible for the club. If we’re in the Championship there’s always the risk he wants to get back up before selling. When does the club start costing him money? After one season in the Champo? In a way I’ve resigned to him staying until he decides to sell, for whatever reason, regardless of which division we’re in. Without looking into it too much, I would guess it'll be around then aye. Saying all of this though, and enjoying Brucey losing and being so out of his depth, I'm still not entirely sure that I want us to get relegated. Loathe being in that shit hole division almost as much as I hate Ashley, and if he sells us while we're down there, it could easily be to a pair of chancers like the mackems got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Some right fucking melts on twitter https://twitter.com/paullarkin21/status/1163115874456350725 That fella needs an uppercut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I know him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Got to say the ch5 documentary shows Mike is a reasonable and effective businessman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johneddy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Got to say the ch5 documentary shows Mike is a reasonable and effective businessman Just do one eh? He's a tool of the highest order and a liar to boot...swallow whatever sh** you like we don't need a tv documentary to tell us what a scumbag owns us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 What ignore the evidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Unfortunately this is a common view of people who watched it. Lots of blaming the workers for being lazy, and saying all he did was run a business well. In all honesty the documentary could have been harder hitting, it could have mentioned and highlighted the ambulances called to the distribution centre for exhausted staff, the woman who had to give birth in the toilets. The people who are dropped at a drop of the hat. They could have gone into more details about his running of NUFC, instead of it easily being passed off as our fans being demanding. It could have been harder hitting and should have, but hopefully it’s a sign of the media and everyone else getting sick of him. I also have to say that I the government are going to use him as a fall guy. He’s buying all these companies and letting them either go bust or essentially asset stripping them, moving staff on poor SD contracts etc. The government will soon blame him for job losses for failing to turn the businesses around, and the failing high street. It will mean the government has longer to act before they have to intervene with tax breaks or grants for brick and mortar retailers, toughing tax laws of internet sales, and tackling unemployment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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