Steve Brute

[Yorkie]

Half a dozen points better off would put us around Spurs/Arsenal, who've had shite seasons, and I think he'd have deserved credit if we'd achieved that; which we've never looked remotely like doing so. Norwich, Watford, Brighton, Villa, Burnley, Leivester x2, Everton - loads of very gettable points dropped due to some minging performances. Somewhat counterbalanced by one or two unexpected results, granted, but heck knows what they had to do with Bruce.

[Robster]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

 

Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.

 

I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions.

 

It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.

 

No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better.

 

Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. 

Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job.

See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron 

 

I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't.

In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit.

There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well.

Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay.

 

It's all about how we view it and we clearly look at things differently.

In my opinion, he's come in and basically just let them do what they want and removed the strict discipline that Rafa instilled. Of course in the first instance, players are going to love that. Who wouldn't want to go to work and just have a laugh and lark about every day. I'm not sure that goes down as good management personally and ultimately, the downside is that the team have no cohesion on the pitch. Results have gone the clubs way to date but as you say, it's completely unsustainable once that good fortune goes against you.

[samptime29]

I'm not saying Bruce deserves credit. I'm not praising him. Just saying overall he's done okay.

 

Shit attacking tactics vs strong team spirit, and good team attitude = an okay job overall.

[TRon]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

 

Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.

 

I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions.

 

It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.

 

No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better.

 

Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. 

 

Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job.

 

See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron 

 

Superficial view IMO. I can't think of anything he's done okay, other than be nice to the players. Our football has been rotten, he's criticised the former manager while using his tactics to steer clear of relegation, and he's relied on a record number of goals from defenders to get to that position of safety. I know there are some who want to give him credit for that, but I think most deep down know it was just luck.

[Guest Carrick18]

I'm not saying Bruce deserves credit. I'm not praising him. Just saying overall he's done okay.

 

s*** attacking tactics vs strong team spirit, and good team attitude = an okay job overall.

I think that's the problem. It feels like so much of what has carried this team through has very little to do with him. He's encouraged the full-backs/wing-backs on a bit, but the team spirit and organisation at the back where forged by Benitez in the Championship.

[samptime29]

I'm not saying Bruce deserves credit. I'm not praising him. Just saying overall he's done okay.

 

s*** attacking tactics vs strong team spirit, and good team attitude = an okay job overall.

I think that's the problem. It feels like so much of what has carried this team through has very little to do with him. He's encouraged the full-backs/wing-backs on a bit, but the team spirit and organisation at the back where forged by Benitez in the Championship.

 

But team spirit isn't something that just stays at a consistent level no matter what.

 

It's a fluid thing, that can fluctuate up and down. Yeah the organisation is all Rafa no doubt.

 

Bruce isn't improving any player. We're not playing attractive football in any sense of the word. 

 

But the team is clearly playing for him. They are working hard.

 

The Everton game was so so lucky. But at least the players are still trying to score after 93 mins and 2-0 down.

 

We've scored a lot of late goals. Lucky yes, but also shows we don't give up as a team. We keep trying and we keep our heads up.

 

[Cf]

Ok fine. Bruce has done the bare minimum I would expect a manager to do in terms of keeping the players motivated. Well done. Otherwise he's shit. Next.

[samptime29]

Ok fine. Bruce has done the bare minimum I would expect a manager to do in terms of keeping the players motivated. Well done. Otherwise he's shit. Next.

 

Thank you 

[geordie john]

I find it incredible, that me saying Bruce has done an okay job, has so many posters frothing at mouth.

 

"He's done shit" "Massively underperformed" "He's a failure"

 

I ask how points to several posters does he need, not to be shit or a failure or to have massively underperformed? Nobody has answered. Nobody has given me a figure. It tells me everything me everything I need to know. If you can't answer a simple question, then you can't back up your argument.

 

 

Jeees, man, can't you see that almost everyone disagrees with you. The vast majority of us think he has not done 'a decent job' by a very, very long way.

 

Can't you just give it a break? Please???

[mrmojorisin75]

I find it incredible, that me saying Bruce has done an okay job, has so many posters frothing at mouth.

 

"He's done shit" "Massively underperformed" "He's a failure"

 

I ask how points to several posters does he need, not to be shit or a failure or to have massively underperformed? Nobody has answered. Nobody has given me a figure. It tells me everything me everything I need to know. If you can't answer a simple question, then you can't back up your argument.

 

 

Jeees, man, can't you see that almost everyone disagrees with you. The vast majority of us think he has not done 'a decent job' by a very, very long way.

 

Can't you just give it a break? Please???

 

rafa had more to do with his "success" than he did man, ffs

[LV]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

 

Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.

 

I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions.

 

It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.

 

No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better.

 

Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. 

Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job.

See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron 

 

I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't.

 

In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit.

 

There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well.

 

Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay.

 

The team spirit was there because Rafa bought well. Meticulously researched players who would fit into the squad.

 

Just because Bruce could make the odd joke, drink a pint and say ‘fuck’ now and again doesn’t make him any good. He was shit.

 

The fact you’ve spent all afternoon (and most of this season) spending your energy defending him while getting an absolute hammering is very very weird.

 

What’s your angle? I’m intrigued. Are you related? The levels of anger and I’m right, your wrong stuff is just strange.

[samptime29]

I find it incredible, that me saying Bruce has done an okay job, has so many posters frothing at mouth.

 

"He's done shit" "Massively underperformed" "He's a failure"

 

I ask how points to several posters does he need, not to be shit or a failure or to have massively underperformed? Nobody has answered. Nobody has given me a figure. It tells me everything me everything I need to know. If you can't answer a simple question, then you can't back up your argument.

 

 

Jeees, man, can't you see that almost everyone disagrees with you. The vast majority of us think he has not done 'a decent job' by a very, very long way.

 

Can't you just give it a break? Please???

 

I've answered everybody's questions clearly. Just because most people don't agree with me, doesn't mean anything.

 

Millions of people voted Trump in. Millions of people watch Mrs Brown's Boys.

 

I'm right, you're wrong. That's the end of it.

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

 

Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.

 

I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions.

 

It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.

 

No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better.

 

Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. 

Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job.

See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron 

 

I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't.

 

In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit.

 

There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well.

 

Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay.

 

The team spirit was there because Rafa bought well. Meticulously researched players who would fit into the squad.

 

Just because Bruce could make the odd joke, drink a pint and say ‘fuck’ now and again doesn’t make him any good. He was shit.

 

The fact you’ve spent all afternoon (and most of this season) spending your energy defending him while getting an absolute hammering is very very weird.

 

What’s your angle? I’m intrigued. Are you related? The levels of anger and I’m right, your wrong stuff is just strange.

 

I'm not angry. I've said he's done an okay job. That's all.

 

I've laid out my arguments clearly. I've asked several questions, and no had any clear answers.

 

That the problem with this board. The over-exaggeration is insane.

 

You hate Bruce, and because of that you cant say he's done an okay job.

 

How many points would Bruce have needed to get, for you to say he's done okay? Again you won't answer it because you hate Bruce and it's clouding your judgement.

[Rod]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

  There you go again quoting numbers.  Using your method I could convince you that Sven Goran Eriksson was a great England manager, when every man and his dog knew he was crap.  The same for the Italian England manager (forgot his name).  They were both disastrous but I bet their stats are remarkable.  Do you get my drift?  Anyhoo, it's MY opinion that Bruce is terrible and you think he's  ......... ok.  Nobody has died, now run along. 

[triggs]

Neither Sven or Capello were disastrous like. Also Capello is one of the best managers of all time, you probably should know his name.

 

Bruce is crap mind, we create the least chances and concede the most

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

  There you go again quoting numbers.  Using your method I could convince you that Sven Goran Eriksson was a great England manager, when every man and his dog knew he was crap.  The same for the Italian England manager (forgot his name).  They were both disastrous but I bet their stats are remarkable.  Do you get my drift?  Anyhoo, it's MY opinion that Bruce is terrible and you think he's  ......... ok.  Nobody has died, now run along. 

 

There I go again: using stats and numbers to back up my argument. What a moron I am. 

 

Can't believe they decide who wins the Premier League on who gets the most points  :lol:

 

 

[Rod]

He's come in after Rafa had them drilled like a bunch of squadies and allowed them to relax which has brought some relief into the team, it's certainly given the team a good spirit in the short term but without the tactics, the formations, the direction all its doing is undoing 3 years hard work. Bruce hasn't affected anything on the field of play, he hasn't done anything to accredit those points to him, he's steadied a ship by being the players "mate" hardly an acclamation to premier league management skill.

  Mattoon, I wish I could explain myself like that.  I thank you.  Do you think that samp gadgey will ever come to his senses?

[Paully]

Luke  :lol:

Edwards.  :lol:

 

https://twitter.com/factsrafa/status/1257708654750584834?s=21

[Rod]

Neither Sven or Capello were disastrous like. Also Capello is one of the best managers of all time, you probably should know his name.

 

Bruce is crap mind, we create the least chances and concede the most

  Cheers Griggs.  They were both crap FOR ENGLAND.  Is that better?

[Yorkie]

Edwards is absolutely off his rocker.

[samptime29]

Luke  :lol:

Edwards.  :lol:

 

https://twitter.com/factsrafa/status/1257708654750584834?s=21

 

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence.

[astraguy]

Sven / Capello Crap  ;D I doubt we will see a better England manager in years they only got stick after we got knocked out for not being English rather watch thoses teams then the shit we've had since

[Rod]

Luke  :lol:

Edwards.  :lol:

 

https://twitter.com/factsrafa/status/1257708654750584834?s=21

 

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence.

  Samp, everyone is terrified to respond to you now, oh no!  Look what you made me do.

[samptime29]

Luke  :lol:

Edwards.  :lol:

 

https://twitter.com/factsrafa/status/1257708654750584834?s=21

 

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence.

  Samp, everyone is terrified to respond to you now, oh no!  Look what you made me do.

 

Bruce has had nothing to do with the takeover. Edwards is stupid for suggesting it.

[Rod]

Sven / Capello Crap  ;D I doubt we will see a better England manager in years they only got stick after we got knocked out for not being English rather watch thoses teams then the shit we've had since

  Pray tell who you think the best England manager was.  Because you imply both of them.  Whichever one you pick is wrong anyway.  They were both hopeless as England managers.