Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[TRon]

Nothing more needs to be said.

 

I've seen enough.

 

And you're entitled to that opinion. Just like I am mine, and I think he's being screwed over royally.

 

 

 

You are wasting your time man. Some fans when they see a 6ft plus striker don't want to see him fannying about trying to play cute angled passes, especially if they lose the ball when they attempt to do it. They want a big lad climbing for the ball and clattering defenders, elbows optional. With Bruceball they are probably right.

 

Yep, EVERYONE is saying exactly that. Well done.

 

"cute angled passes"

 

I didn't say EVERYONE is saying that, I said specifically some fans actually. I actually do like his efforts to lay the ball off at good angles, doesn't always come off but it shows something. Not going to argue about it too much though because it's not enough to make up for his deficiencies. The type who are whingeing from the first minute though, kind of obvious in the match thread that they are going in on one player only when in fact there are problems before the ball even gets to forward areas.

[Shearergol]

But Klopp rates him, that's good enough for me.

 

Nagelsmann too 

 

Ralf Ragnick also 

 

I'm guessing pretty much everyone in German football, but Newcastle Online knows best 

 

Hope they're queuing up to sign him?

 

I hope they are too, so he could make you all look silly.

 

However the German clubs won't touch him for the wages we have gone on to pay him, as Ragnick himself said about why he couldn't compete with us to sign him for RB Leipzig in the first place.

 

Yep, the priority here is to certainly make NO posters look silly

[KaKa]

[samptime29]

But Klopp rates him, that's good enough for me.

 

Nagelsmann too 

 

Ralf Ragnick also 

 

I'm guessing pretty much everyone in German football, but Newcastle Online knows best 

 

Hope they're queuing up to sign him?

 

I hope they are too, so he could make you all look silly.

 

However the German clubs won't touch him for the wages we have gone on to pay him, as Ragnick himself said about why he couldn't compete with us to sign him for RB Leipzig in the first place.

 

Yep, the priority here is to certainly make NO posters look silly

 

[Lenny]

But Klopp rates him, that's good enough for me.

 

Nagelsmann too 

 

Ralf Ragnick also 

 

I'm guessing pretty much everyone in German football, but Newcastle Online knows best 

 

Hope they're queuing up to sign him?

 

I hope they are too, so he could make you all look silly.

 

However the German clubs won't touch him for the wages we have gone on to pay him, as Ragnick himself said about why he couldn't compete with us to sign him for RB Leipzig in the first place.

 

Him moving on and making a success of himself is as much down to his application in his new surroundings as the new surroundings themselves.

 

He may well turn his career around, but that won't change the fact that he's given up here, and it's visible on the pitch.

[Lenny]

And IMO, it goes without saying that people are within their rights to criticise a player that's given up.

[Deuce]

Multiple things can be true at once, you know:

 

1. Joelinton has been an unmitigated disaster for NUFC.

 

2. Joelinton could easily turn it around elsewhere. He was rated before we signed him (maybe not to the tune of £40mil) and played well in the Bundesliga, under a very good manager, before the transfer. He’s 24 years old and doesn’t lack for physical attributes that would otherwise preclude him making the cut in a top league.

 

 

[mighty__mag]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Dont use that as an excuse though? McClaren mismanaged every player that season. Thauvin went back to france played extremely well and called up to the national side. In reference to Gini we used him advanced and he scored 11 goals very good return, I'd agree he's doing a job at Liverpool, but it's nothing major or anything to do with how well he's suddenly been managed, he was a good player to start with, and he joined a very good side, Klopp has used him where he sees useful for Liverpool.

 

I don't think its mismanaged etc like you say, I just dont think we're the right club for him (Joelinton), sometimes that's just the way it is.

 

 

[danny]

I think if we had payed 15-18 for him... ah fuck it hes shit  :cheesy:

[TRon]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Dont use that as an excuse though? McClaren mismanaged every player that season. Thauvin went back to france played extremely well and called up to the national side. In reference to Gini we used him advanced and he scored 11 goals very good return, I'd agree he's doing a job at Liverpool, but it's nothing major or anything to do with how well he's suddenly been managed, he was a good player to start with, and he joined a very good side, Klopp has used him where he sees useful for Liverpool.

 

I don't think its mismanaged etc like you say, I just dont think we're the right club for him (Joelinton), sometimes that's just the way it is.

 

 

 

Wijnaldum is a very good example actually, he was getting pelters on here, then he joined a club in the same league and has won the title and the European cup. Now obviously Joelinton isn't in the same league as Gini, but we do have some fans with an ugly attitude towards certain players and they are usually of a certain type.

[TRon]

What does he do well? Scoring goals? No. Holding the ball up and linking the play? No. Conviction when in on goal? No. Working hard for the team? No.

 

Let's be realistic. Last season, he had 3-4 good moments in a WHOLE FUCKING season. 

 

 

 

 

His link up play isn't bad mostly, think you are wrong there, it will look better when we start passing the ball to feet. I think he works pretty hard as well, covers plenty of ground during a game, I think this is another myth which is easy to latch onto.

 

He's not a goal scorer though, I don't think he has a striker's movement, that has been my main criticism of him. The same can be said of Carroll these days as well tbh.

[mighty__mag]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Dont use that as an excuse though? McClaren mismanaged every player that season. Thauvin went back to france played extremely well and called up to the national side. In reference to Gini we used him advanced and he scored 11 goals very good return, I'd agree he's doing a job at Liverpool, but it's nothing major or anything to do with how well he's suddenly been managed, he was a good player to start with, and he joined a very good side, Klopp has used him where he sees useful for Liverpool.

 

I don't think its mismanaged etc like you say, I just dont think we're the right club for him (Joelinton), sometimes that's just the way it is.

 

 

 

Wijnaldum is a very good example actually, he was getting pelters on here, then he joined a club in the same league and has won the title and the European cup. Now obviously Joelinton isn't in the same league as Gini, but we do have some fans with an ugly attitude towards certain players and they are usually of a certain type.

 

Yes but in fairness, those fans dont actually hate Joelinton or want him to fail, they just get annoyed if he's selected as it's like playing with 10 men.

 

Why would anyone be pleased about that? But equally I blame Bruce for selecting him consistently, but I'm of the opinion it was forced last season perhaps from above, and we may see less of Joelinton this season.

 

Personally I dont have an issue with the player, but given we had a fully fit squad to choose each week he would never make my starting line up because there are better players than him already here.

[TRon]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Dont use that as an excuse though? McClaren mismanaged every player that season. Thauvin went back to france played extremely well and called up to the national side. In reference to Gini we used him advanced and he scored 11 goals very good return, I'd agree he's doing a job at Liverpool, but it's nothing major or anything to do with how well he's suddenly been managed, he was a good player to start with, and he joined a very good side, Klopp has used him where he sees useful for Liverpool.

 

I don't think its mismanaged etc like you say, I just dont think we're the right club for him (Joelinton), sometimes that's just the way it is.

 

 

 

Wijnaldum is a very good example actually, he was getting pelters on here, then he joined a club in the same league and has won the title and the European cup. Now obviously Joelinton isn't in the same league as Gini, but we do have some fans with an ugly attitude towards certain players and they are usually of a certain type.

 

Yes but in fairness, those fans dont actually hate Joelinton or want him to fail, they just get annoyed if he's selected as it's like playing with 10 men.

 

Why would anyone be pleased about that? But equally I blame Bruce for selecting him consistently, but I'm of the opinion it was forced last season perhaps from above, and we may see less of Joelinton this season.

 

Personally I dont have an issue with the player, but given we had a fully fit squad to choose each week he would never make my starting line up because there are better players than him already here.

 

He's not going to be starting as much this season, and he really shouldn't have been starting that many games last season but as you said, there wasn't really any other options  due to Gayle and Carroll being sofa bound for most of it. He played in a cup game yesterday when we made 10 changes, and I watched the game and he was getting singled out for abuse, and I don't think he was that bad in the first half. He actually got worse in the second for hold up play.

 

 

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

I doubt people are basing their assessment on one game. More likely one season. I'd love him to come good but even when he had played off another striker or on the left he's looked mediocre at best. Prove us all wrong Joelinton, we'd be very happy if you did.

[Dr Jinx]

A general consensus is beginning to form I see, and yeah could well be right.

 

He’s not doing himself any favours in the chances he’s getting.

 

I would however like to see him play in our strongest side, as part of it, not coming on to replace someone who’s doing a good job. At least give him that chance before he’s flogged off somewhere.

 

A sort of no.10 role, either centre, left or right. Just see what he can do on the ball when there are other players running ahead of him creating space.

 

He’s not a hold up player..

[Unbelievable]

A general consensus is beginning to form I see, and yeah could well be right.

 

He’s not doing himself any favours in the chances he’s getting.

 

I would however like to see him play in our strongest side, as part of it, not coming on to replace someone who’s doing a good job. At least give him that chance before he’s flogged off somewhere.

 

A sort of no.10 role, either centre, left or right. Just see what he can do on the ball when there are other players running ahead of him creating space.

 

He’s not a hold up player..

 

Does . not . compute

[Dr Jinx]

A general consensus is beginning to form I see, and yeah could well be right.

 

He’s not doing himself any favours in the chances he’s getting.

 

I would however like to see him play in our strongest side, as part of it, not coming on to replace someone who’s doing a good job. At least give him that chance before he’s flogged off somewhere.

 

A sort of no.10 role, either centre, left or right. Just see what he can do on the ball when there are other players running ahead of him creating space.

 

He’s not a hold up player..

 

Does . not . compute

 

I shall simplify. Playing with the likes of ASM, Wilson, Fraser and or Almiron around him. Especially Wilson..

 

I still think he can come good.. just needs to be given a chance with the best players around him.

 

So, try this.. if it doesn’t work then we’ll know 100%.

 

[KaKa]

Agree with you and would love to see that also. Almost certain we never will.

 

He'll keep playing Carroll ahead of him, who has been even less of a goal threat since he came back.

[Dr Jinx]

Agree with you and would love to see that also. Almost certain we never will.

 

He'll keep playing Carroll ahead of him, who has been even less of a goal threat since he came back.

 

There’s a decent YouTube video explaining his lack of goals and it makes perfect sense.

 

He shone in a team playing a high pressing game. Actually did his best work playing in a 2 up front.

 

You have to blame the scouting for this one, he’s clearly a good player doing what he’s good at which is precisely why the scouts recommended him.

 

But completely ignoring that we’d never be set up in the same way as Hoffenheim and in keeping mostly the same set up as what Rafa had, we’d be struggling to get 30% possession in games.

 

It’s absolute madness that the coaching setup and scouts are so out of sync to have missed something like that?

 

I think he’s been thrown under the bus

[KaKa]

It's actually depressing man. I saw the video you mentioned.

 

There are also numerous scouting articles from his time in Germany that talk about the type of player he is and even some talking about what Newcastle would be getting and how to get the best of him after we had bought him.

 

They are all very positive and speak of the qualities he can bring in the right setup and of his big potential to get even better. I can only imagine how baffled they are in Germany at our incompetence.

 

It's funny because the same thing is happening to an even better player at West Ham, in Haller, who a lot of people on here wanted last summer. He is getting destroyed by another PFM in Moyes, who is playing a 30 year old converted winger upfront instead of him and then complaining about needing funds for players.

 

The same guy had Felipe Anderson and Lanzini on the bench while playing a midfield of Rice, Noble and Soucek against us. Three holding midfielders. Against a Newcastle United side that hasn't exactly been a swash buckling attacking outfit under Bruce.

 

It's just so pathetic really

 

 

[Kanj]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

[mrmojorisin75]

I didn't see the Blackburn game that's provoked a lot of discussion but unless I'm mistaken he's been played up front again in a team had around 35% possession at home to a team from a lower division. That about right?

[Kanj]

And did fuck all but yes.

[samptime29]

We really saying Joelinton should be in the team ahead of Almiron?

[Newcastle Fan]

We really saying Joelinton should be in the team ahead of Almiron?

 

I think its ridiculous to even have him ahead of Carroll is twice the striker he is