gbandit Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I agree that he drops too deep sometimes, and it’s especially frustrating when a team like Bournemouth quickly scramble to get 11 men behind the ball like they did last night. It’s fine to drop deeper if he’s not got so many men to beat. Saying that, I thought he played well yesterday and had one lovely pass that he cut back that was almost perfect. I think he’s getting better at those passes, it’s a really simple part of his game which he should be getting right 7/8 times out of 10 given the space he creates but in the past he’s messed the vast majority of these passes up by not thinking about making the pass or messing up on the weighting of it because it’s not a natural part of his game. Hopefully Eddie can keep bringing him on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: Thought he did very well when he came on and would have had an assist to his name if it wasn't for Wood's dreadful miss at the end. I'm sure ASM alluded to Wood playing so much in Wilsons absence last season as a reason for his own poor assist statistics but can't find a direct quote. Something just sticks in my head about it. Wood's goal wouldn't have counted the whistle had already gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, gbandit said: I agree that he drops too deep sometimes, and it’s especially frustrating when a team like Bournemouth quickly scramble to get 11 men behind the ball like they did last night. It’s fine to drop deeper if he’s not got so many men to beat. Saying that, I thought he played well yesterday and had one lovely pass that he cut back that was almost perfect. I think he’s getting better at those passes, it’s a really simple part of his game which he should be getting right 7/8 times out of 10 given the space he creates but in the past he’s messed the vast majority of these passes up by not thinking about making the pass or messing up on the weighting of it because it’s not a natural part of his game. Hopefully Eddie can keep bringing him on He certainly impacted the game. No doubt about it but it was a game you'd be worried about not impacting if you were him because they offered fuck all going forwards. If you're playing him against an attacking full back, we'd have had real issues because he simply won't press or track his man. The biggest impact Howe has had on him, imho, is that he's using the simple pass a bit more and I think that's made him even more unpredictable for defenders. That's been the biggest difference in him I've seen. He's got a role and when he has his one great game a month he makes people like me look stupid but I think Howe would value a consistent 'system' man more. Maybe not, just my gut feel looking from the outside in. Edited December 21, 2022 by Minhosa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Last night I was spitting feathers at his lack of pressing. He had 2 chances in a row behind the player with the ball and stopped a few feet away from them and they went on and pushed into our box. I know the sun shines out of his arse. I get it. But I really think he is the laziest bastard in the squad now. double bone idle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Infatuation Junkie said: Last night I was spitting feathers at his lack of pressing. He had 2 chances in a row behind the player with the ball and stopped a few feet away from them and they went on and pushed into our box. I know the sun shines out of his arse. I get it. But I really think he is the laziest bastard in the squad now. double bone idle 100%. I kept my eyes on him off the ball after he made a pass. The guy just stands still pretty much, no runs in behind, nothing. Love it when he pulls out some magic of course and very exciting on the ball, but so so lazy off it. Still think he should start when fit though for the advantage of Joe back as centre mid, and the effect he has on the other team with people doubling up on him which leaves space on our dominant right side! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, BonesJones said: 100%. I kept my eyes on him off the ball after he made a pass. The guy just stands still pretty much, no runs in behind, nothing. Love it when he pulls out some magic of course and very exciting on the ball, but so so lazy off it. Still think he should start when fit though for the advantage of Joe back as centre mid, and the effect he has on the other team with people doubling up on him which leaves space on our dominant right side! The guy is a total game changer. when he has the ball. But when everyone is giving balls n all. It seems disrespectful to not keep up the same work ethic. He isn’t the best player in the team. We would still do well without him. So why doesn’t he just play for the shirt and the city like the rest of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Eddie’s main thing is wanting to work with players who are open to being coached and developing under him. We’ll very quickly know whether he’s part of our long term plans as he’ll be off in the summer if Eddie doesn’t think he can buy into what the whole team are doing. I think he’s got it in him and I love his game but getting him to play for the team consistently, make the right decisions but not completely lose his flair and individual brilliance is going to be a massive coaching challenge and one which won’t work if ASM isn’t up for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Three League games so far this season that could've ended very differently if ASM had been playing. Palace 0-0 Bournemouth 1-1 Man Utd 0-0 Not saying we'd have won all three with him playing, but just an extra 2 points from any of them would've been huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, gbandit said: Eddie’s main thing is wanting to work with players who are open to being coached and developing under him. We’ll very quickly know whether he’s part of our long term plans as he’ll be off in the summer if Eddie doesn’t think he can buy into what the whole team are doing. I think he’s got it in him and I love his game but getting him to play for the team consistently, make the right decisions but not completely lose his flair and individual brilliance is going to be a massive coaching challenge and one which won’t work if ASM isn’t up for it Yeah you can see how useful he can be at home against teams playing with a low block and he can also pull something out of his arse to win any game. Consistency, staying fit and as you’ve pointed out above whether he can truly adapt to how Howe wants us to play with the press is key. I personally think we’ll bring players in who fit the Howe mould more and I think ASM could well be off next summer but I’m intrigued to see what happens from now til the end of the season. Isak could be fly in the ointment for ASM. Edited December 22, 2022 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Noticed that he had a very good relationship with Bruno, they seemed to enjoy exchanging cheeky little passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 He'll only pass to Willock, Bruno, or Wilson willingly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Infatuation Junkie said: Last night I was spitting feathers at his lack of pressing. He had 2 chances in a row behind the player with the ball and stopped a few feet away from them and they went on and pushed into our box. I know the sun shines out of his arse. I get it. But I really think he is the laziest bastard in the squad now. double bone idle His patchy fitness record will also count against him. Two pretty glaring drawbacks no matter how good a player he can look when he's on song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 there's no fucking way he starts at Leicester, btw. unless there are injuries, I can't see him starting many games. the writing is on the wall for his career here under Howe. we'll sign someone more suited to the team and he'll get shifted. and it'll be the best thing for both parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Big River said: there's no fucking way he starts at Leicester, btw. unless there are injuries, I can't see him starting many games. the writing is on the wall for his career here under Howe. we'll sign someone more suited to the team and he'll get shifted. and it'll be the best thing for both parties. What writing are you talking about? He started the first four league games and played 90mins in three of them (74mins in the other). The only reason he didn't continue in the team was because he then got injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mazzy said: What writing are you talking about? He started the first four league games and played 90mins in three of them (74mins in the other). The only reason he didn't continue in the team was because he then got injured. well yeah, his injury record is a factor. also the fact he's now behind Willock, Joelinton, and potentially even Jacob fkn Murphy for that LW position. guess we'll see eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Howe has shown he won't change a winning team but after a loss or 2 he'll rightly be back in the starting line up. He had a very good start to the season before getting injured and has barely played since. Don't understand how some people think we've outgrown him or should get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 He doesn't have to start every game, but Howe has to find a way to integrate him into the setup so that we're effective as a team when he does play. His performance against Man City this season, man. That's the level of talent he has. Can't waste that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Like... nobody does this to Man City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, Big River said: well yeah, his injury record is a factor. also the fact he's now behind Willock, Joelinton, and potentially even Jacob fkn Murphy for that LW position. guess we'll see eh? My man is raging about Maxi today I’ve read your two posts above as you just yelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kanji said: My man is raging about Maxi today I’ve read your two posts above as you just yelling I find him so frustrating because he's so capable, on his day. he should be one of the best players in world football, but for various reasons I don't think he'll ever get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Your first post was the first thing I read waking up this morning and I immediately laughed. I agree with you. I want him to be our main man. Wanted him to be coming on for France in the World Cup final ffs. It should be him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) If anyone can focus him it's wor Eddie. He just has to be willing. In a funny way the best plan might be to start preparing him now for a situation where we're a better team in the future. Give him some minutes, work on his all-round game, let him know what the expectations will be. And allow the team to develop around him. A lot depends on his fitness too obviously. Edited December 22, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, Smal said: Like... nobody does this to Man City. Could've had about 5 assists in that game. And a couple of goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Kieron Dyer said recently on the True Geordie podcast that the problem with the England team and English media is that we focus too much on what players can’t do, instead of focusing on what they can do. He said this in the context of playing Trent against lesser teams like Wales and USA in the World Cup. But I think his point applies to us. Saint-Maximin can do an awful lot that other players can’t. Let’s just let Eddie figure out how to bring his strengths to the fore whilst masking his weaknesses in the team, and let’s just celebrate what he can do for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 @Big River waiting for another stone cold stunner of a post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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