The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 What's this all about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Mendy got found not guilty on his rape charges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: What's this all about? Grim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 This whole case appears grim from the outside. I’m not going to comment much as I haven’t followed all the proceedings etc but there’s a known extremely high bar for rape / sexual assault convictions. It’s hard not speculate but you can imagine that there was a willingness and consent to some degree and then things got a lot more messy once they were inside his house. Whole thing is unsettling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Not the only one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Eurgh man. Detached from reality these fuckers like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Athletes feel like they are targets for false rape charges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Athletes feel like they are targets for false rape charges. sometimes the complaints will be false. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 I'd prefer it if our players just kept it moving tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Footballers in being thick as fuck shock. More high profile players doing the same on Memphis Depay's recent Instagram post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 They're all at it Trippier; Grealish the lot Sometimes I don't know why the fuck I'm so obsessed with a bunch of highly paid fuckers who are detached from anything in the real world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Mendy and Sigurdsson. That's two careers ruined in the last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Mendy and Sigurdsson. That's two careers ruined in the last year. Next you'll be telling us Greenwood's had his ruined anarl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) I don’t really see the problem like. I’m all for penalising rape hard, but Mendy has been tried twice now and cleared both times. Top level football being a small community, why can’t fellow pros, friends in some cases, be supportive of each other when some very serious allegations that ruined the career of one of their own have been judged to be tenuous at best? Juries don’t clear rape suspects lightly, so with that in mind why is everybody going on like fellow players are supporting a convicted rapist? Edited July 14, 2023 by Unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 He's entitled to be treated as innocent, so fair enough but juries clear rape suspects lightly all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiresias said: He's entitled to be treated as innocent, so fair enough but juries clear rape suspects lightly all the time Any evidence for that? I’d imagine rape being quite a heinous crime the bar for conviction must be quite small if jury members have severe doubts. It also often leaves strong physical evidence I suspect. Stand to be corrected though. Edit: I was intrigued so decided to google it. Looks like the conviction rate is actually very high comparatively speaking, much as I suspected. Source for those interested: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2023/feb/juries-convict-defendants-rape-more-often-acquit Edited July 14, 2023 by Unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Unbelievable said: Any evidence for that? I’d imagine rape being quite a heinous crime the bar for conviction must be quite small if jury members have severe doubts. It also often leaves strong physical evidence I suspect. Stand to be corrected though. Having a quick google for evidence you may have a point, jury convictions for rape have gone up from what i thought, it's getting to trial is the (severe) problem, so I have to acknowlege i was basing on haunting anecdotal testomony of court reporter talking about rape trials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, jack j said: Next you'll be telling us Greenwood's had his ruined anarl What a load of shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 The guy got cleared twice, i don't understand why people here are angry about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: What data is that based on, i.e. who decided how many of the non-reported cases were false. I mean, how could one even know if they were unreported? It’s easy to create a graph that looks scientific, but that looks like pure guesswork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 It won't be far wrong. Rape is an obscenely difficult crime to charge and prosecute, the police don't help with their approach to things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 The fuck are people angry about Quote Jurors in the rape trial of Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy have been told to question the credibility of their accusers. Lisa Wilding KC, in her closing defence speech on behalf of Mendy’s friend and co-accused, Louis Saha Matturie, highlighted the evidence of one complainant, a 19-year-old woman, who told jurors from the witness box that both men had raped her. But during the 16-week trial, mobile phone video emerged of her having “enthusiastic” sex with Matturie on an occasion she claimed she was being raped. Jurors at Chester crown court were directed to find both men not guilty of those charges against her. Wilding said: “She sat in this courtroom and looked you in the eye and gave what would have, perhaps, been a compelling and convincing account of being raped multiple times by these two men. Like so many of the witnesses in this case, she is caught up in a tangled web of connections and contacts and knowledge. “Why is that important? Because of collusion. You have to consider in respect of each of the women who came to this courtroom to give evidence, is their evidence reliable? Is their evidence solid? “This case rests on the credibility of witnesses. People lie.” Two other complainants, who also knew each other, then made “remarkably similar” allegations that Matturie had raped them both while sleeping, Wilding said. Wilding cited the account of another woman, aged 23, who claimed Matturie raped her at 5.30am in Mendy’s Mercedes car while on a trip to a local garage to buy more alcohol for a party at the footballer’s house. She stayed at Mendy’s house afterwards and had sex with three other men, and as she stepped out of the gates at Mendy’s mansion at 10.03am, sent a text to a friend saying “Hahaha I have slept with Jack Grealish,” the jury heard. Such behaviour was “inconsistent” with an allegation of rape, Wilding said. Her case was “inextricably linked” to that of a 17-year-old who alleges she was raped twice by both Mendy and Matturie the same night, it is alleged. Wilding said the allegation against Matturie, that he raped her in a cinema room at Mendy’s house while others were present, then went to his flat in Manchester where he raped her a second time, made “absolutely no sense”. Voice messages sent to her friends later that same day, where she called the party, the “best night of my life” were, “not a reflection of someone who has been raped,” Wilding added. From a Guardian article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 My point is rape, due to our burden of proof, is an incredibly difficult crime to charge and prosecute in the UK. In the eyes of the law, Mendy has presumption of innocence, but that simply means there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. He could be one of the very few who are falsely accused, it does happen, but the numbers suggest it's improbable. So while I'm sure he's a massively relieved man, keep your head down and for fucks sake don't celebrate on social media. Use your brain man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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