Callum Wilson: offered 'incentive-based' contract extension (Ornstein)

[Ronaldo]

2 hours ago, gjohnson said:

It's got to the point where he can't be relied on as a first team player. 

Got to that point. 

 

That’s been the case for years.

[ExiledGeordie]

Anyone get the impression they’re possibly saving him/keeping him in cotton wool to sell in Jan? I was told by someone who knows him that his relationship with us was effectively over anyway - last year of contract, fall outs with Howe etc. 

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Anyone get the impression they’re possibly saving him/keeping him in cotton wool to sell in Jan? I was told by someone who knows him that his relationship with us was effectively over anyway - last year of contract, fall outs with Howe etc. 

 

According to @Wallsendmag he got injured in training yesterday.

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Anyone get the impression they’re possibly saving him/keeping him in cotton wool to sell in Jan? I was told by someone who knows him that his relationship with us was effectively over anyway - last year of contract, fall outs with Howe etc. 

 

Find that almost as hard to believe as the idea that we could sell him in January. 

[ExiledGeordie]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

Find that almost as hard to believe as the idea that we could sell him in January. 

Thats what I thought too to be fair 🤷‍♂️ 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[Theregulars]

Only have ourselves to blame 

[ExiledGeordie]

Almost feel like if there was interest in Jan, sell and bring in a RW who can play up front too. Wilson literally never plays for us anyway. 

[Elliottman]

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Find that almost as hard to believe as the idea that we could sell him in January. 

Yeah EH only ever speaks highly of him even as recently as yesterday. 

[El Prontonise]

There is zero chance any club is going to offer a fee for him.

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Only have ourselves to blame 

 

Need to be a bit more proactive sometimes, rather than clinging onto someone because they had a good spell. Some players may have been difficult to sell, but with Wilson I think there would have been interest last year.

[Yorkie]

12 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Only have ourselves to blame 

 

Do you reckon we've ever had any concrete offers? The was some noise about Chelsea () this time last year but I honestly find it so doubtful that anyone would offer meaningful cash for him. 

 

There might have been interest in the summer post-22/23 but he'd gone most of that season without injury and was our top scorer. I think it would be harsh to throw any dirt at us for deciding to keep him at that point. 

[Theregulars]

17 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Do you reckon we've ever had any concrete offers? The was some noise about Chelsea () this time last year but I honestly find it so doubtful that anyone would offer meaningful cash for him. 

 

There might have been interest in the summer post-22/23 but he'd gone most of that season without injury and was our top scorer. I think it would be harsh to throw any dirt at us for deciding to keep him at that point. 

I take a harsh view but I think at some point one needs to make clear that the club wishes to move you on. I understand why some managers don’t want to be like that. I’ve no idea if we’ve received offers; I mean more that we’ve not purchased a reliably decent back-up striker knowing that Wilson is a cripple for the ages. Osula isn’t really that plan.

[Miggys First Goal]

23 hours ago, nufc123 said:

4 months its been? Not sure whats his injury is anymore. The back?

Bed sores from being on the treatment table for too long. 

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Do you reckon we've ever had any concrete offers? The was some noise about Chelsea () this time last year but I honestly find it so doubtful that anyone would offer meaningful cash for him. 

 

There might have been interest in the summer post-22/23 but he'd gone most of that season without injury and was our top scorer. I think it would be harsh to throw any dirt at us for deciding to keep him at that point. 

 

As Howe talks about relating to injuries, he keeps repeating that we need to learn from the past. The injury problems last season was seen by many as sheer bad luck and we were forced into do everything we did, but Howe clearly feels like they could've done something differently, even when every decision had a reasonable explanation.

 

Where I'm going with this is that we can look back at players like Almiron, Trippier and Wilson, and think about how selling them not so long after their last good spell would potensially have been great. Maybe the club wanted to, and there were no good enough bids, and in that case there club wasn't really at fault. But it's atleast something to think about, especially if they were fixated on someone having had a good patch, and expected it to come back. An important context here being that all of them are past 30, so a sudden drop off isn't uncommon. You'd think that we'd have a mindset of "what will probably happen tomorrow?" rather than "what happened yesterday?". I understand that it's hard to identify when someone has a high chance of dropping off the next season, but I think it's possible. The 18 goal season for Wilson was highly unusual for him, it was unlikely for him to avoid injury problems for another season.

 

The biggest issue would probably be to afford a replacement as we wouldn't have gotten that much for any of those. That's where we need a good scouting network.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2024 by Erikse

[Nucasol]

12 hours ago, Likelylad said:

Giving Dyer & Woodgate a run for their money here like.

I’d wager Dyer’s availability was miles better than Wilson’s has been. Wilson is clocking in at 40-odd% of our games played in his time here. Dyer will be higher. Woodgate - accept that.

[Nucasol]

Dyer - 250 games in his 8 seasons here.

Wilson - 108 in his 5 season so far.

 

[Likelylad]

10 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

I’d wager Dyer’s availability was miles better than Wilson’s has been. Wilson is clocking in at 40-odd% of our games played in his time here. Dyer will be higher. Woodgate - accept that.

I was only a teenager at the time but my memory of Dyer’s injury problems were that it was always the same recurring injuries and they were always at the worst times. Sporting Lisbon springs to mind. 
 

Wilson seems to consistently have a multitude of different injuries. 

[Erikse]

16 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

I’d wager Dyer’s availability was miles better than Wilson’s has been. Wilson is clocking in at 40-odd% of our games played in his time here. Dyer will be higher. Woodgate - accept that.

 

At the time the treatment methods probably still wasn't as good as today, which makes it even worse.

[Nucasol]

13 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

I was only a teenager at the time but my memory of Dyer’s injury problems were that it was always the same recurring injuries and they were always at the worst times. Sporting Lisbon springs to mind. 
 

Wilson seems to consistently have a multitude of different injuries. 

Think he had shin splints at one point. Either way, he looks like he’s got Milner levels of reliability when compared with Plastercast Callum.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

54 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Dyer - 250 games in his 8 seasons here.

Wilson - 108 in his 5 season so far.

 

So you’re saying he’s going to play 142 games in the next 3 years? 

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

So you’re saying he’s going to play 142 games in the next 3 years? 

Absolutely - a few cybernetic enhancements and Wilson 2.0 will be ready. I’m sure he’ll still manage to be more mobile than latter years Shola, Carroll and Kuqi:

[Gawalls]

5 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

There is zero chance any club is going to offer a fee for him.

There’s very little chance they’ll take him on a free as he wont pass any medical

[gjohnson]

5 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

Need to be a bit more proactive sometimes, rather than clinging onto someone because they had a good spell. Some players may have been difficult to sell, but with Wilson I think there would have been interest last year.

We've done this for as long as I remember....and it continues to bite us in terms of having an ageing/injured squad with little value.

 

From a pure numbers perspective Bruno would be the most beneficial to sell if anyone of our obvious 3 has to go...he's probably as good as he is going to get coming up to 28. A new contract for him will only raise his wage while he's with us while his value falls.

 

 

 

[Holloway]

Understandably, there was a focus on the much-hypothesised return to fitness of Callum Wilson with various questions about the player and his contract situation fired at the gaffer. In response, Eddie had this to say:

“Is there a scenario where Callum could stay beyond his current deal? Of course there is. Callum’s got outstanding qualities. I know everyone in football has short memories, but you look at what Callum has done since I’ve been here – when he’s been on the pitch, he’s been incredible.

“That Champions League season, the way he and Alex [Isak] dovetailed together, to help each other and help the team to produce some brilliant performances and results was brilliant to see. Now, for a long period of time, we’ve lost that ability to play them together or to help them share the load. That’s been a real frustration of mine, and I know for the players themselves too.”

“My wish for Callum is just that he gets back consistently fit. If he does that, then there’s no doubting his qualities. Beyond that, the future will take care of itself. I don’t necessarily get too bogged down or worried about that [the contract], it’s more about just helping Callum in the short term.”

[PauloGeordio]

4 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Understandably, there was a focus on the much-hypothesised return to fitness of Callum Wilson with various questions about the player and his contract situation fired at the gaffer. In response, Eddie had this to say:

“Is there a scenario where Callum could stay beyond his current deal? Of course there is. Callum’s got outstanding qualities. I know everyone in football has short memories, but you look at what Callum has done since I’ve been here – when he’s been on the pitch, he’s been incredible.

“That Champions League season, the way he and Alex [Isak] dovetailed together, to help each other and help the team to produce some brilliant performances and results was brilliant to see. Now, for a long period of time, we’ve lost that ability to play them together or to help them share the load. That’s been a real frustration of mine, and I know for the players themselves too.”

“My wish for Callum is just that he gets back consistently fit. If he does that, then there’s no doubting his qualities. Beyond that, the future will take care of itself. I don’t necessarily get too bogged down or worried about that [the contract], it’s more about just helping Callum in the short term.”

He wouldn't say otherwise. He just wants him back hungry and firing.