TRon Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, RS said: How many must he lose in front of the screeming jawdies before they hound him out? There aren't any "screeming jawdies" at our matches. The only time I've heard a collective complaint from them this season is when players take the knee before the kick off. We are a fucking embarrassment from top to bottom as a club, this manager epitomises us perfectly. So did Pardew and Kinnock for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 9 hours ago, Yorkie said: Did he really blame the fact we didn't train in the rain? It was very wet rain though. Gotta take that into account, then you can be pleased with what we saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 years ago Bruce was en-route to steering Villa into the bottom half of the Championship. The two main forwards in that team have just been sold for £135m this summer, Villa are now a club capable of challenging for top 8-10 in the Premier League. Even if you forget his monumental failings in his time at Newcastle, the turnaround at Villa since getting rid of him says it all. From being close to a swap deal for Rhodes to Boro to a £100m player in 3 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: 3 years ago Bruce was en-route to steering Villa into the bottom half of the Championship. The two main forwards in that team have just been sold for £135m this summer, Villa are now a club capable of challenging for top 8-10 in the Premier League. Even if you forget his monumental failings in his time at Newcastle, the turnaround at Villa since getting rid of him says it all. From being close to a swap deal for Rhodes to Boro to a £100m player in 3 years. They didn't even need to hire a great manager, just one who had something resembling a spine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Aye, Smith is probably just an average PL manager. If they upgraded they’d be a threat again as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: 3 years ago Bruce was en-route to steering Villa into the bottom half of the Championship. The two main forwards in that team have just been sold for £135m this summer, Villa are now a club capable of challenging for top 8-10 in the Premier League. Even if you forget his monumental failings in his time at Newcastle, the turnaround at Villa since getting rid of him says it all. From being close to a swap deal for Rhodes to Boro to a £100m player in 3 years. Everyone knows his stint at Aston Villa was Rafa’s fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Ben said: This really looks like his last season at Sunderland 2 wins out of 13 and he was sacked in November, will Ashley and Charners pull the trigger ? Never. He'll stay if/when we go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelevats Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Under MA this clown is going nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leek Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I really dont get the gameplan with the 5-2-1-2 or whatever it is. No midfield cause we've got Miggy who I dont even know where he plays, him and ASM just float about and cant keep up with the game as they got lost trying to track back and then getting back forward again. Hayden is the only useful one defensively but gets dragged around easily because hes got to do it all and Willock is a CAM not a CM, he trys but cant defend but also doesnt get any freedom to attack unless we actually keep a sustained attack. We cant press teams because if Hayden/Willock press then we're horribly exposed in midfield. The only thing I see is us do offensively is counter, hoof it to Wilson either in behind or for us to win a 2nd ball or win a set piece and try and maintain an attack from that. Ritchie at LB is tragic, can't keep switched on, cant get back quick enough once hes forward and can't win headers. When we've had 30 seconds of possession and realised we cant counter we can only pass it back between the our defenders because the set ups shit, we havent got any movement in midfield cause there only 2 of them so the only space and easy pass is at the back where the 3 CBs are who then get it and hoof it to Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Possibly our strongest area is wingers, and we don’t play with them. Bruce himself signed Lewis, Fraser & ASM yet doesn’t play a system to suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) I’d be going with: Woodman Manquillo Lewis Fernandez Schar Hayden Willock St-Maximin Fraser Almiron Wilson with the players available. If he’s going to play a back 3, it needs to mirror the system we had with Benitez and play a third CB rather than Fraser but stick with Almiron & ASM out wide. 5-3-2 doesn’t work with these players. Bad thing is, he did exactly the same when he first came in. He played 5-3-2 the first two games, we lost them both and by the third game we were back to the same formation as he inherited and we got some results (performances were still shite but it was an improvement). Edited August 22, 2021 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelevats Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 100% bang on ON, the profile of players doesn't fit the system he keeps trying to enforce onto them. A sign of being closed minded is to keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Bruce obviously doesn't critically reflect due to his mentality of always having an excuse to blame. The fact its obvious he doesn't reflect and look inward is the most concerning thing & given its 3 years of the same it simply isn't going to change unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 We should be going back to the diamond formation and wide strikers that we used when Graeme Jones came in. We only abandoned it when Wilson got hurt and we had to change it up. We played that versus Everton and Southampton to great results IMO. 4-3-1-2 with split strikers. Woodman Manquillo Lascelles/Fede Schar Lewis Hayden Longstaff (as an 8) Willock (as an 8) Almiron (as a 10) Wilson (split striker) Maxi (split striker) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leek Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I'd for 4-2-3-1, I think if we're going 4 at the back be need to keep quite rigid so I'd play Murphy RW just to support the defence abit and I think he's being one of our better players. I think Almiron needs to be dropped abit but also think he'll be useful of the bench. I would quite like to see Fraser start aswell though. Also this formation seems to give us more squad depth apart from CDMs. I'd like to see this Woodman Manquillo - Lascelles/ Schar - Fernandez - Lewis/ Dummett (Only put him here as I know Bruce is a minge I would kinda of get it for 1/2 games of a system change but obvs want Lewis) Hayden - Longstaff/ Shelvey Murphy/ Fraser - Willock - ASM Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 When Bruce goes this season I don't want Ashley and Charners picking the next manager, I bet they are already lining up Wilder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Leek said: I really dont get the gameplan with the 5-2-1-2 or whatever it is. No midfield cause we've got Miggy who I dont even know where he plays, him and ASM just float about and cant keep up with the game as they got lost trying to track back and then getting back forward again. Hayden is the only useful one defensively but gets dragged around easily because hes got to do it all and Willock is a CAM not a CM, he trys but cant defend but also doesnt get any freedom to attack unless we actually keep a sustained attack. We cant press teams because if Hayden/Willock press then we're horribly exposed in midfield. The only thing I see is us do offensively is counter, hoof it to Wilson either in behind or for us to win a 2nd ball or win a set piece and try and maintain an attack from that. Ritchie at LB is tragic, can't keep switched on, cant get back quick enough once hes forward and can't win headers. When we've had 30 seconds of possession and realised we cant counter we can only pass it back between the our defenders because the set ups shit, we havent got any movement in midfield cause there only 2 of them so the only space and easy pass is at the back where the 3 CBs are who then get it and hoof it to Wilson. Oh my Lord. Bruce's eyeballs would be bulging out of their sockets reading all that. Never mind all that technical bollocks a good player is a good player. A good dinner and a word of encouragement is all they need. Rafa has confused our squad with all this tactical bullshit, it's going to take another 3 years for Steve to get them out of that funk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Comes across as canny though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Chelsea copying Bruce's tactics ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 He needs to go. My worry is we could have like 4 points from 10 games before he is sacked and we are then in big trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 If that happens, samp - remember, it won't be his fault. It will be the fault of us supporters, because we demand too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 29 points was enough for safety last season, I could see this year been very similar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I wonder at what point he'll take responsibility for poor results. He's been backed as well as anyone can be under Mike Ashley. but he still hasn't produced a coherent style of play, or shown any suggestion of knowing how to put players together to form one. If the players aren't good enough, why does he keep praising Charnley for his support? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 He's above Arsenal and they are the biggest spenders in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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