Guest nufcshirts Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 it looks more and more to me that the policy of the club is to build a squad capable of promotion from the championship- and have a see what happens attitude to the prem. I dont know why you would take those types of risks when the new TV deal is next season and its massive. I gave them the benefit of my doubt in the summer and it looks like they gambled on not spending to much money in the summer...given that they retained all the key players in the squad. There is noway any of us thought we would be in a relegation battle, maybe lower down the league with the extra games in europe but not this bad. I still dont know the difference between a championship season and a prem one- But Im guessing its about £20m- £30 in terms of income- Ashley wont spend £20m net to save £20m in any seasons two windows, he will take the gamble. This is from 2011; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html 25mill a year, but more now because of the new TV deal isnt there a new parachute deal as well tho taking into account the new tv money.? I still think He looks at the true cost of relegation, when deciding what to spend in the prem, might not be what people want to hear. It would be how Id run a business if I had couldnt afford to lose money, and didnt have the emotional attachment to the club. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/the-parachute-payments-to-clubs-relegated-from-the-premier-league-can-be-a-lifesaver--but-is-it-fair-to-all-the-other-teams-8448748.html "Currently relegated clubs get £48m over four seasons (£16m in the first two seasons, £8m in the next two – payments cease if they go back up) ." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 it looks more and more to me that the policy of the club is to build a squad capable of promotion from the championship- and have a see what happens attitude to the prem. I dont know why you would take those types of risks when the new TV deal is next season and its massive. I gave them the benefit of my doubt in the summer and it looks like they gambled on not spending to much money in the summer...given that they retained all the key players in the squad. There is noway any of us thought we would be in a relegation battle, maybe lower down the league with the extra games in europe but not this bad. I still dont know the difference between a championship season and a prem one- But Im guessing its about £20m- £30 in terms of income- Ashley wont spend £20m net to save £20m in any seasons two windows, he will take the gamble. This is from 2011; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html 25mill a year, but more now because of the new TV deal isnt there a new parachute deal as well tho taking into account the new tv money.? I still think He looks at the true cost of relegation, when deciding what to spend in the prem, might not be what people want to hear. It would be how Id run a business if I had couldnt afford to lose money, and didnt have the emotional attachment to the club. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/the-parachute-payments-to-clubs-relegated-from-the-premier-league-can-be-a-lifesaver--but-is-it-fair-to-all-the-other-teams-8448748.html "Currently relegated clubs get £48m over four seasons (£16m in the first two seasons, £8m in the next two – payments cease if they go back up) ." Massive drop in revenue. Mental to risk it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Wait till HBA is back and taylor is in the squad...like we will go the rest of the season with our full team available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 8.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I'll downgrade my 10 to a 9, because it's hard to justify a 10 when we've not been in the bottom three yet. We will be soon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It would be typical Ashley to miss out on the super payment next year by trying to cut costs and run things lean. I agree with a sensible business model and wage structure but we have gone too far the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Much like the year we went down, I've been in denial this season. Since I woke up today I've been pretty sure we're going down though. The list of teams we've failed to beat this year is alarming, it'll take a small miracle for us to pick up enough points IMO. The knacker in the dugout needs to go or we've got no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 If caulkins tweets are that of the club, we'll be in the championship next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 One of my concerns is that if we're still struggling come April/May it won't really matter for a lot of the better players as they'll easily be able to find new clubs & due to last season will remain with their reputations still fairly intact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ItalianMagpie Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 One of my concerns is that if we're still struggling come April/May it won't really matter for a lot of the better players as they'll easily be able to find new clubs & due to last season will remain with their reputations still fairly intact. Well not necessarily people are happy to move somewhere else once they're settled down in Newcastle. Those who are not will prefer to stay and play for us, and I have no doubt about their commitment and fighting spirit until the end. Of course if most of our players is at NUFC only waiting for something better then yeah, you're probably right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think people are misjudging the list of players who will leave if we go down. People are mentioning at least 6 players going, in some cases more, it just won't happen. We have a wafer thin squad as it is, we're not about to go and sell the guts of 10 first team players. Some will go, no doubt, but some like it or not will have to stay so we have a squad to put out on the first day of the season. I also think the likes of Cabaye could possibly give it one more season in a bid to get the club back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ikon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The ONLY chance for us to keep our best players is to replace Pardew ASAP! Some players might not like it at first, some will perhaps. But then there is a 'chance' at least that we might actually start playing very good football and pick up good results and perhaps the team and players might get an exciting feeling of where it's going under the new manager and are prepared to give it a go for another season. Even IF we survive, just about, with Pards as manager (which i can't see) players will leave 100% sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolton Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I still think you will be okay, I'm amazed you are where you are to be honest, sorry we could not stuff the Villa scum for you, but you have your own chance soon, they will have played two more games before you play them, you have a great chance as they have been very poor at home, I will be back rooting for you that night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I still think you will be okay, I'm amazed you are where you are to be honest, sorry we could not stuff the Villa scum for you, but you have your own chance soon, they will have played two more games before you play them, you have a great chance as they have been very poor at home, I will be back rooting for you that night! But, but Pards will say that the momentum of playing games without a too long rest was an advantage for Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolton Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I still think you will be okay, I'm amazed you are where you are to be honest, sorry we could not stuff the Villa scum for you, but you have your own chance soon, they will have played two more games before you play them, you have a great chance as they have been very poor at home, I will be back rooting for you that night! But, but Pards will say that the momentum of playing games without a too long rest was an advantage for Villa. He may well, but most teams are leggy after Christmas, never a better time to play them, especially if Bradford do them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I still think you will be okay, I'm amazed you are where you are to be honest, sorry we could not stuff the Villa scum for you, but you have your own chance soon, they will have played two more games before you play them, you have a great chance as they have been very poor at home, I will be back rooting for you that night! But, but Pards will say that the momentum of playing games without a too long rest was an advantage for Villa. He may well, but most teams are leggy after Christmas, never a better time to play them, especially if Bradford do them. I agree with your point mate, and im sure Pardew will know this. What he'll say though, is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Much like the year we went down, I've been in denial this season. Since I woke up today I've been pretty sure we're going down though. The list of teams we've failed to beat this year is alarming, it'll take a small miracle for us to pick up enough points IMO. The knacker in the dugout needs to go or we've got no chance. Think I'm still in denial to some extent. Unfathomable that a team with the quality of players we have is in the position it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 7 1/2 for me. After seeing saturday the prospect of relegation is VERY real However if you look at it like this......from an eternal optimists angle We're not in the bottom 3, we're two points clear There's plenty of shit sides down there HBA is still to come back Cabaye is back "If" we sign a new centre half/striker There's still 45 points to play for Surely even Pardew has a "small" chance of staying up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 7 1/2 for me. After seeing saturday the prospect of relegation is VERY real However if you look at it like this......from an eternal optimists angle We're not in the bottom 3, we're two points clear There's plenty of shit sides down there HBA is still to come back Cabaye is back "If" we sign a new centre half/striker There's still 45 points to play for Surely even Pardew has a "small" chance of staying up? That's my feeling too, in reality it's probably about 50/50, if not slightly better than that. With Cabaye back, Taylor to come in and the possibility of a new CB we've got to start picking up some points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I mean as ludicrous as some of the things Pardew is doing players like Williamson at the back are costing us points. Take someone like him out of the equation (Taylor/new signing) and thats a positive start. Throw in Cabaye and HBA and the team has much more impetus going forward. Just seems like with the players coming back plus potential new signings even Pardew should be able to do enough to get us to fucking 17th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The thing that's keeping me going is that we've been horrendously shit all season, yet somehow we're not in the bottom three. With Williamson, Shola and hopefully Jonas soon to be out of the side, i'm praying things can only pick up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I mean as ludicrous as some of the things Pardew is doing players like Williamson at the back are costing us points. Take someone like him out of the equation (Taylor/new signing) and thats a positive start. Throw in Cabaye and HBA and the team has much more impetus going forward. Just seems like with the players coming back plus potential new signings even Pardew should be able to do enough to get us to f***ing 17th Exactly this. It really does look like you're going to get at least two decent players in. The one big problem you still have is the awkward fixture list, and I think getting a win this weekend will mean you're safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I mean as ludicrous as some of the things Pardew is doing players like Williamson at the back are costing us points. Take someone like him out of the equation (Taylor/new signing) and thats a positive start. Throw in Cabaye and HBA and the team has much more impetus going forward. Just seems like with the players coming back plus potential new signings even Pardew should be able to do enough to get us to f***ing 17th Exactly this. It really does look like you're going to get at least two decent players in. The one big problem you still have is the awkward fixture list, and I think getting a win this weekend will mean you're safe. True. I think last season he set us up with negative tactics but the better players came through for us. If you stick a strong centre half in there eradicating the Williamson factor, Ben Arfa and another attacking option and for me thats a big factor irrespective of the nonsense of the manager. Better players creative chances/keep clean sheets. The other thing is we all know that football is a confidence sport like most I guess but especially football. If you get a result from somewhere and confidence builds a bit, teams play completely differently and that leads to wins. This is what I'm clinging onto anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Being defensive isn't necessarily a problem if your attacking 4 are good enough to win the game on their own, which they might be. The problem is making changes that hand the momentum to the opposition at key points in the game, like v Reading. If he can avoid that I don't really mind that he wants us to be solid first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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