samptime29 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't want Newcastle "to do a Leeds" which would be likely if we got relegated. Say we get relegated and Ashley sells, and we get somebody else in. What happens if they're a pile of s*** too? Another relegation, maybe if we get relegated to League One, then that will fix it? The lack of investment hurts from Ashley. The fact we don't bother with the cups is painful. The "Sports Direct" adverts all around SJP is depressing. Things aren't great, but you ask a Leeds fan, or Sheff United, or Sheff Wed fan if they'd swap places with us, and they would in a heartbeat. The financial stakes are so high now, that not being in Premiership isn't an option. So what, so are we supposed to just suck it up, follow a club that has no ambition, no self identity, no sole, and only wish to put money into the owners pocket, and into his tacky cheap brand. It'd rather follow a club that's in the Championship and has some ambition, and drive to succeed, then a husk of a club thats only interested in being on the Premier League gravy train. People will make their own decisions about whether to follow the Toon going forward. That's fine and understand that for some people, they just don't feel it's worth it anymore. I just can't understand the logic of wanting us to get relegated. There are no guarantees at all that relegation would improve anything. Relegation removes the only real incentive for Ashley - The TV money. He tried to sell the club the last time we were relegated with no success. If we get relegated again, then he might not get an "acceptable price" to sell us (again) - and we're stuck with the Bugger. In the Championship. The club needs change, ideally Ashley needs to go. But getting relegated "just" so that might happen - isn't a risk I'd want to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If only there was some point in our recent history to refer to when we were relegated and didn't instantly do a Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Southampton did a Leeds and now they are one of the top clubs in the Country. Also the most profitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't want Newcastle "to do a Leeds" which would be likely if we got relegated. Say we get relegated and Ashley sells, and we get somebody else in. What happens if they're a pile of s*** too? Another relegation, maybe if we get relegated to League One, then that will fix it? The lack of investment hurts from Ashley. The fact we don't bother with the cups is painful. The "Sports Direct" adverts all around SJP is depressing. Things aren't great, but you ask a Leeds fan, or Sheff United, or Sheff Wed fan if they'd swap places with us, and they would in a heartbeat. The financial stakes are so high now, that not being in Premiership isn't an option. So what, so are we supposed to just suck it up, follow a club that has no ambition, no self identity, no sole, and only wish to put money into the owners pocket, and into his tacky cheap brand. It'd rather follow a club that's in the Championship and has some ambition, and drive to succeed, then a husk of a club thats only interested in being on the Premier League gravy train. People will make their own decisions about whether to follow the Toon going forward. That's fine and understand that for some people, they just don't feel it's worth it anymore. I just can't understand the logic of wanting us to get relegated. There are no guarantees at all that relegation would improve anything. Relegation removes the only real incentive for Ashley - The TV money. He tried to sell the club the last time we were relegated with no success. If we get relegated again, then he might not get an "acceptable price" to sell us (again) - and we're stuck with the Bugger. In the Championship. The club needs change, ideally Ashley needs to go. But getting relegated "just" so that might happen - isn't a risk I'd want to take. If only that were actually true... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If only there was some point in our recent history to refer to when we were relegated and didn't instantly do a Leeds. Cool - we'll that's it sorted then. We'll get relegated and everything will be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Southampton did a Leeds and now they are one of the top clubs in the Country. Also the most profitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If only there was some point in our recent history to refer to when we were relegated and didn't instantly do a Leeds. Cool - we'll that's it sorted then. We'll get relegated and everything will be great. Well it didn't happen, did it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Honestly if there were another 4 or 5 games on top of what is left we would probably go down, it's just probably too late in the day for us now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I've been pretty firm in the belief that getting relegated this season will do us no good in the short or long term, it won't help us rid ourselves of Ashley and only compound the problems we have, for example the likes of Willo, Raylor and Sammy would be seen as ideal Championship players and probably get new contracts, while we would lose the likes of Sissoko, Janmaat, Krul and Perez to the highest bidder. Also living on the other side of the pond, I wouldn't get to see us play very often at all any more. However now my opinion is changing, I don't really care to watch this shell of a team anymore, I tune in for every game and never would I miss it if the were on but I really don't enjoy watching the way we play the game anymore. So not being on TV, would actually improve my quality of life. In terms of the club, we need to stay down this time if we drop. An instant spring back is something Ashley could live with, just like he did last time. The only way for him to be gone is for us to remain a championship club for a few seasons. All I would really want then is for us to be bought by someone who cares, someone who's not just in it for financial gain of his other interests. At this point I don't really care if that person has the financial backing to achieve promotion back to the PL, I would honestly feel better supporting a club that prides itself in achieving the best possible on the pitch, rather than a club that has financial clout but lacks that desire and feels more like a business than anything else. Ideal situation though is that a wealthy Man City esque person comes along and dangles a lot of money in Ashley's face,that's only remotely possible if we remain a PL club. TL/DR: Would rather support a championship club with honorable aspirations than this PL club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It's a very fine line we're treading. Leicester are bottom and favourites to go down. The only difference in goals scored and conceded is the fact we've scored 4 more, we've conceded the exactly the same amount. Only QPR have conceded more than us this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 All the teams below us have seen we are likely getting no more points, and have set the bar at 35 points. Assuming Leicester are going to find that difficult to reach, the rest will be thinking of getting to 35 to survive at our Ashleys expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 There's a 0.000001% chance of us going down. We're going to finish unacceptably close to 18th place though. I don't expect us to get much more than 40 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Relegation is the only thing that will upset Ashley which in turn will make me happy Yep. I hope we go down too. I actually just put a bit of money on us getting relegated. Oh happy days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Relegation is the only thing that will upset Ashley which in turn will make me happy Yep. I hope we go down too. I actually just put a bit of money on us getting relegated. Oh happy days Jesus, it's upto 150/1 in some places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Even if we lost every single remaining game I don't think we'd go down. Unfortunately, everyone at the club knows it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I don't either but I still think that's worth a couple of quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hull will go imo, but the rest are interesting. Villa seem to be much better but have tough fixtures, Leicester have a great run of games, QPR have some good players, Burnley have heart and fight, whilst Sunderland have the slight points advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Think we'll finish14th, possibly 15th. Thought 11th might have been achievable a few weeks ago but can only see it us picking up a couple of draws at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 ... I can't see us getting a point this season at this rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Need to sack Carver asap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Outsiders but we are doing our best to get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 We are giving it a good old go for being dragged down in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Listen, we're in a relegation fight, make no mistake about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's criminal how our best defenders were allowed to fucking leave before close of season. Motherfucking ridiculous. That profit still feeling good, Mike? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Listen, we're in a relegation fight, make no mistake about it. Can you fucking imagine, taking over the job in the comfort of mistake and then peddling the relegation stuff whilst throwing your hat in the ring everytime someone asks you about the job. What a fucking guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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