Dr Jinx Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It’s quite amusing how yesterday although there was no actual concrete news, the mood was generally quite positive.. 24 hours later, with no concrete news, the mood has flipped to one of negativity once again. We have to be the most schizophrenic fanbase going when it comes to football clubs ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: It’s quite amusing how yesterday although there was no actual concrete news, the mood was generally quite positive.. 24 hours later, with no concrete news, the mood has flipped to one of negativity once again. We have to be the most schizophrenic fanbase going when it comes to football clubs ? That’s only because people are desperate for news and trying to link any sort of news they can to the takeover. Whereas pretty much all of it is immaterial until the arbitration decision is made. The UEFA tv rights and a report from January on piracy isn’t going to have any impact on the decision in a months time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Yesterday was far from “a major piece of good news” like. It was positive but fairly unremarkable. The PL not seeing Saudi as a piracy threat anymore is unremarkable? I'd strongly disagee with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wandy said: The PL not seeing Saudi as a piracy threat anymore is unremarkable? I'd strongly disagee with that. Unremarkable in the sense that it’s going to have no impact on the arbitration, which is the only path for the takeover to be completed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: Unremarkable in the sense that it’s going to have no impact on the arbitration, which is the only path for the takeover to be completed. You dont know that for sure. For all we know it might yet play a part in ensuring arbitration might not happen at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, Wandy said: You dont know that for sure. For all we know it might yet play a part in ensuring arbitration might not happen at all. It’s the PL’s own report from January. Why would they decide at the 11th hour that they forgot the report they worked on in January is now relevant to dropping a multi-million pound legal fight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: It’s the PL’s own report from January. Why would they decide at the 11th hour that they forgot the report they worked on in January is now relevant to dropping a multi-million pound legal fight? Because they might be waiting to see if the CAT goes ahead. If it does, then they might throw the towel in before arbitration, do a deal with Ashley, and use the fact that Saudi is off the naughty list as their reasoning for passing it to BEin and the dirty six. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Yesterday was far from “a major piece of good news” like. It was positive but fairly unremarkable. Another intriguing take on things. Wandy has been completely balanced in his view of Jacobs. It’s pretty plain to see for all that he is biased towards Qatar/ BEIN/ PL if you are able to read between the lines. I’m not surprised people have rumbled Jacobs’ leanings now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SweMag said: Again, Ben Jacobs is full of shit. Stop reading his tweets. He was all over the BZG takeover in 2019 and said a verbal agreement of £350m was in place and also proof of funds, deal could be completed very soon. He also said the BZG wanted Benitez to stay as manager but that they also had their eyes on Wenger and Mourinho... How anyone can look at his track record - not just in our takeover(s) - and think he’s anything other than a total gobshite I do not know. Dodgy as fuck. Edited June 10, 2021 by christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, Wandy said: Because they might be waiting to see if the CAT goes ahead. If it does, then they might throw the towel in before arbitration, do a deal with Ashley, and use the fact that Saudi is off the naughty list as their reasoning for passing it to BEin and the dirty six. CAT will not be anywhere near close to going ahead before arbitration starts. Not even convinced the jurisdictional argument would have a result by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: CAT will not be anywhere near close to going ahead before arbitration starts. Not even convinced the jurisdictional argument would have a result by then. You're literally the epitome of incessant aren't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: CAT will not be anywhere near close to going ahead before arbitration starts. Not even convinced the jurisdictional argument would have a result by then. It doesnt have to have gone ahead or be close to the date of going ahead. All it might take is for the PL to know it is definitely going ahead for them to quickly do a deal. Current estimates suggest that we will know the jurisdiction result by the end of the month....which is just before arbitration is due to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Wandy said: Because they might be waiting to see if the CAT goes ahead. If it does, then they might throw the towel in before arbitration, do a deal with Ashley. They can then use the fact that Saudi is off the naughty list as their reasoning for passing it to BEin and the dirty six. That is the most likely route to the approval of the Takeover. There are many routes, but that is the most likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: Unremarkable in the sense that it’s going to have no impact on the arbitration, which is the only path for the takeover to be completed. How do you know that? I'll tell ya, you don't. Edited June 10, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Hehe, eeeeee, old Fanny Breeze, he's a one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 7 hours ago, ToonArmy1892 said: How do you know that? I'll tell ya, you don't. Correct. I never said it was a fact. Just like those who think it was big news, haven’t got a clue either. Do we really need to put *in my opinion* at the end of every post? I thought it was fairly obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, nbthree3 said: I'm reading the CAT rules for guidance https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-11/The_Competition_Appeal_Tribunal_Rules_2015.pdf // https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_StJames_Reasoned_Order__130521_1.pdf I don't think there is a time frame set for the review to be heard. Ashley's case is under "section 47A of the Competition Act 1998" so the guidance I can apply is from rule 29 onwards, part 4. An acknowledgement of service was filed by the PL on the 4th May - which needed to be done within 1 week of receiving the claim - and ordinarily they would have 28 days (until 1st June) to file a defence. Within 2 weeks, they could challenge jurisdiction by submitting an application to contest said jurisdiction, which they did on 11th May through rule 34. This means that the PL do not need to submit a defence until after the hearing of the jurisdiction claim which has drawn out proceedings by many weeks. Perhaps similarly that we did with trying to remove Beloff as chair of the PL arbitration. Rule 35 talks about how 4 weeks after receiving the copy of the claim form, which was 4th May ordinarily, the PL must file a defence but it's subject to rule 34. I assume because the hearing of the jurisdiction application must happen first, the league have 4 weeks after that application is heard to file a defence but I might be wrong there. It'd make sense because it's the length of time they would have anyway dedicated to filing a response. Within 3 weeks of receiving the defence whenever that is because the dates are uncertain, Ashley could file a response. He doesn't have to, but he could. I'm expecting people to play the long game and that has already brought us up to 7 weeks extra before we consider when the jurisdiction application might be heard. Yeah, I don't think there's a set timescale for the CAT to make their judgement. I've had a look through other CAT cases and jurisdiction challenges don't actually seem to be particularly common. Generally, decisions seem to be made about a month after the jurisdiction hearing, but there could be a case management conference to decide how it is handled before that, so the hearing could be up to a couple of months after the challenge is filed. There are so few of them to go off and they might have been more or less complex jurisdiction cases than this, so might have been handled differently to how our case will be, but I think my initial guess that we would get a decision around the end of the month looks a bit optimistic. I think that a date for jurisdiction hearing / case management conference will be published in the diary on the CAT website soon, so we'll have a better idea of how long it will be then. Edited June 11, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ToonArmy1892 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 What does that mean then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Slim said: https://twitter.com/SimonZekaria/status/1403328272193265666?s=19 Cool, so what are they submitting submissions and evidence for again? To present their argument that it shouldn't go to CAT? Is that right, @B-more Mag? You've always seemed to have a pretty clear take on all this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Cool, so what are they submitting submissions and evidence for again? To present their argument that it shouldn't go to CAT? Is that right, @B-more Mag? You've always seemed to have a pretty clear take on all this! Yeah it was expected. Judge will decide if the case should be heard. I would then think the prem might try to settle if its heard in public. Unless they have a strong case, but if it was that strong would the judge even let it get thst far and not just reject the case. Edited June 11, 2021 by Slim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Cool, so what are they submitting submissions and evidence for again? To present their argument that it shouldn't go to CAT? Is that right, @B-more Mag? You've always seemed to have a pretty clear take on all this! Yes, effectively. Technically, it would be an argument that the CAT doesn't have the power/authority (jurisdiction) to handle the case before it, so the case must be dismissed or possibly paused (stayed). Presumably the argument centers on the probability that the arbitration will decide some or all of the issues that would be before the CAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, Slim said: Yeah it was expected. Judge will decide if the case should be heard. I would then think the prem might try to settle if its heard in public. Unless they have a strong case, but if it was that strong would the judge even let it get thst far and not just reject the case. I mean, with everything that's happened so far, can you see anything other than this happening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, B-more Mag said: Yes, effectively. Technically, it would be an argument that the CAT doesn't have the power/authority (jurisdiction) to handle the case before it, so the case must be dismissed or possibly paused (stayed). Presumably the argument centers on the probability that the arbitration will decide some or all of the issues that would be before the CAT. So the response from the (whoever they've submitted papers to) will be "you're right, PL, this can all be done under arbitration, NUFC go away," or "hmm yeah there's something in this for us, sorry, PL, CAT's gonna have to go ahead." ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Yorkie said: So the response from the (whoever they've submitted papers to) will be "you're right, PL, this can all be done under arbitration, NUFC go away," or "hmm yeah there's something in this for us, sorry, PL, CAT's gonna have to go ahead." ? That's basically right. The submission is to the CAT itself, and it could do the two things you mentioned, or possibly a sort of in-between option of saying "there may be something here for us, but we've got to wait until after the arbitration decides certain things before it gets to our part, so this is on hold until then". Edited June 11, 2021 by B-more Mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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