elbee909 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 22:24, Doctor Zaius said: Handing Jacob Murphy a 6 year contract and 30 year old Dwight Gayle a 3 year contract doesnt scream 'we're about to be sold' like. Expand Ah, can be quite the contrary. Adds 'value' that has to be covered by whoever's doing the buy-out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Probably for the best that plane didn't happen given previous incidents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 22:24, Doctor Zaius said: Handing Jacob Murphy a 6 year contract and 30 year old Dwight Gayle a 3 year contract doesnt scream 'we're about to be sold' like. Expand Deffo, worrying stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 22:24, Doctor Zaius said: Handing Jacob Murphy a 6 year contract and 30 year old Dwight Gayle a 3 year contract doesnt scream 'we're about to be sold' like. Expand I don't think it necessarily has any takeover implications either way, but if anything I think it suggests we're being led by a regime that has completely checked out. We've talked about 'bare minimum' a lot in the context of our transfer policy and what-have-you; but literally just making sure you've got 20-25 professional footballers in the squad - whoever they are - is the true bare minimum. That's what we're going for here; that's the only reason the likes of Gayle have got contracts. Ashley just needs employees to fulfil the club's basic commitments for as long as he's the owner, win or lose. Why would he sign new players to achieve that, ahead of simply keeping the ones he's already got? I'd be more worried if we were investing heavily in the squad again because it would suggest that Ashley feels that he needs to, i.e. he feels as if he's got another full season/relegation battle to navigate through. Investing absolutely nothing suggests he's at maximum levels of not-giving-a-fuck which, ironically, and for a change, is actually something to give you optimism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 00:08, Yorkie said: I don't think it necessarily has any takeover implications either way, but if anything I think it suggests we're being led by a regime that has completely checked out. We've talked about 'bare minimum' a lot in the context of our transfer policy and what-have-you; but literally just making sure you've got 20-25 professional footballers in the squad - whoever they are - is the true bare minimum. That's what we're going for here; that's the only reason the likes of Gayle have got contracts. Ashley just needs employees to fulfil the club's basic commitments for as long as he's the owner, win or lose. Why would he sign new players to achieve that, ahead of simply keeping the ones he's already got? I'd be more worried if we were investing heavily in the squad again because it would suggest that Ashley feels that he needs to, i.e. he feels as if he's got another full season/relegation battle to navigate through. Investing absolutely nothing suggests he's at maximum levels of not-giving-a-fuck which, ironically, and for a change, is actually something to give you optimism. Expand Could he not just put players from the youth team in instead of giving Gayle and co new contracts? I'm probably missing a basic point here. Edited July 9, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Well in reality it's hardly him making decisions (despite me writing in the previous post as if he's at the table in every contract renewal/scouting mission). The only thing he's behind is providing the budget; the size of which will reflect his attitude and everything I'm saying above. I.e. it'll be tiny this summer cos why should he bother making anything substantial available when he's gonna be out the door in a few weeks? Then it's up to Charnley, Bruce and whichever other incompetent morons they have to make decisions around that tiny budget. Ergo contract extensions, not new players cos there isn't enough money been made available to bring in new talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 23:50, ToonArmy1892 said: Deffo, worrying stuff. Expand I disagree, one of the things they’ve done to make the club an attractive investment prospect is how they’ve been able to make money while being absolutely shite with no real ambition. Just suddenly letting players go who are worth something would be a terrible idea. We've occasionally taken a punt on an unproven player. Gayle fell into that bracket, he thrives in the championship but just doesn’t seem to be able to translate that at PL level, he’s not fast enough, not strong enough despite being a good finisher. He’s worth something though.. 5-10 million while under contract? Murphy is different. He’s got pace, he’s got skill and he can deliver great crosses and he can score. When he first came he was a bit lightweight, but he’s taking it very seriously now, you can see he’s much physically stronger now than he was, I think he’ll do well this year. He’s one of the best athletes at the club. Even with a takeover he has a future here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 00:26, Yorkie said: Well in reality it's hardly him making decisions (despite me writing in the previous post as if he's at the table in every contract renewal/scouting mission). The only thing he's behind is providing the budget; the size of which will reflect his attitude and everything I'm saying above. I.e. it'll be tiny this summer cos why should he bother making anything substantial available when he's gonna be out the door in a few weeks? Then it's up to Charnley, Bruce and whichever other incompetent morons they have to make decisions around that tiny budget. Ergo contract extensions, not new players cos there isn't enough money been made available to bring in new talent. Expand If he has fully checked out he would put some kid on a grand a week in the squad and just let Gayle leave wouldn't he? I might be talking shite here, don't know exactly what the rules are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 00:30, Dr Jinx said: I disagree, one of the things they’ve done to make the club an attractive investment prospect is how they’ve been able to make money while being absolutely shite with no real ambition. Just suddenly letting players go who are worth something would be a terrible idea. We've occasionally taken a punt on an unproven player. Gayle fell into that bracket, he thrives in the championship but just doesn’t seem to be able to translate that at PL level, he’s not fast enough, not strong enough despite being a good finisher. He’s worth something though.. 5-10 million while under contract? Murphy is different. He’s got pace, he’s got skill and he can deliver great crosses and he can score. When he first came he was a bit lightweight, but he’s taking it very seriously now, you can see he’s much physically stronger now than he was, I think he’ll do well this year. He’s one of the best athletes at the club. Even with a takeover he has a future here. Expand Why would Ashley care about what any player is worth if he's about to sell? I'm confused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 00:32, ToonArmy1892 said: If he has fully checked out he would put some kid on a grand a week in the squad and just let Gayle leave wouldn't he? I might be talking shite here, don't know exactly what the rules are. Expand He wouldn't, would he. Ashley isn't deciding which players get contracts and which ones don't; he doesn't get involved at that level. We identify him as having 'fully checked out' by analysing the budget he allows for squad management. Big budget = he's investing and therefore presumably staying. Small budget = he's not investing cos he's leaving. And Gayle et al's contract extensions suggests 'small budget' to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 00:44, Yorkie said: He wouldn't, would he. Ashley isn't deciding which players get contracts and which ones don't; he doesn't get involved at that level. We identify him as having 'fully checked out' by analysing the budget he allows for squad management. Big budget = he's investing and therefore presumably staying. Small budget = he's not investing cos he's leaving. And Gayle et al's contract extensions suggests 'small budget' to me. Expand Really? How do you know that? Are you saying it's the clubs money anyway? I'm not trying to be awkward, i'm just honestly confused. Edited July 9, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Are you just arguing for the sake of it? I don't know it to a certainty, but I would be very surprised if he's on the blower to Charnley saying "make sure Fede gets another year please," particularly considering - as per the wider point I'm trying to argue - his interest in the club is clearly at an all time low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 00:58, Yorkie said: Are you just arguing for the sake of it? I don't know it to a certainty, but I would be very surprised if he's on the blower to Charnley saying "make sure Fede gets another year please," particularly considering - as per the wider point I'm trying to argue - his interest in the club is clearly at an all time low. Expand I'm not arguing, being very thick possibly, but i don't get why if he's deffo selling and price for club already agreed he is giving new contracts to players on a decent wedge when he could save money by promoting youth players on peanuts to the 25 man squad instead. Edited July 9, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Because that literally doesn’t make sense even if you’re a penny pincher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 My Spider senses are telling me this might be about to go through you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 05:01, Ben said: My Spider senses are telling me this might be about to go through you know. Expand You know, I think I'd arguably more pissed off if the PL folded at this stage and it went with a whimper along the lines of "we've reached an agreement over the terms of the O&D issue and the new test will begin in earnest" or whatever. I really want this to damage the PL or at least those in charge of it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Do we even know for certain PIF will be back even if that happens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 05:40, Optimistic Nut said: Do we even know for certain PIF will be back even if that happens? Expand 100% Staveley specifically said so in her two interviews this week. Edited July 9, 2021 by Wandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 05:40, Optimistic Nut said: Do we even know for certain PIF will be back even if that happens? Expand PIFs involvement has been mentioned this week by Stavelely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelevats Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 06:06, Manxst said: PIFs involvement has been mentioned this week by Stavelely? Expand https://twitter.com/ChronicleNUFC/status/1413384927027081218?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Nice to see the old tradition of absolutely nothing of interest or relevance being posted is still alive in the new thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 01:05, ToonArmy1892 said: I'm not arguing, being very thick possibly, but i don't get why if he's deffo selling and price for club already agreed he is giving new contracts to players on a decent wedge when he could save money by promoting youth players on peanuts to the 25 man squad instead. Expand You're overestimating / underestimating the skill levels of each. Youth players are Shields / Gateshead level, whereas if you saw a Premier League footballer like Murphy or Gayle playing in your local park you'd be in awe of them. It's the whole Elias Sorensen thing again. Edited July 9, 2021 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 It will be for ‘accountancy’ purposes too, keeping the books ‘clean’ sadly we don’t have a decent academy set up to promote youngsters into the first team, just look at who have come through in the last decade or so… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 06:52, loki679 said: Nice to see the old tradition of absolutely nothing of interest or relevance being posted is still alive in the new thread. Expand Thanks for continuing the trend. Anything meaningful will go in the OP, just keep an eye on that if you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/07/2021 at 07:40, Dr.Spaceman said: You're overestimating / underestimating the skill levels of each. Youth players are Shields / Gateshead level, whereas if you saw a Premier League footballer like Murphy or Gayle playing in your local park you'd be in awe of them. It's the whole Elias Sorensen thing again. Expand I mean i know that, that wasn't my point. But i think i'll leave it there lol, i don't think i'm explaining myself very well and Yorkie is getting angry at iz. Edited July 9, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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