kocunar Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said: I would be more interested in the pif teams coming across for an end of season kick about. Very possible that this will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: This is revenue, club promotion and extending and growing our fan base as much as it is a chance for folk to go and see 2 national sides play a game of football at a very reasonable price for a family. And sports washing. Cannot miss that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Is it just me who thinks anyone who makes jokes/reference to beheadings in the response to our clubs actions automatically lose the debate on morality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Stifler said: Is it just me who thinks anyone who makes jokes/reference to beheadings in the response to our clubs actions automatically lose the debate on morality? Yep. ‘Ho ho ho they execute advocates for democracy’ isn’t fantastically funny like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 NB I’m aware that Streatham Rovers is a parody account Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Would love to know how you thread the needle of defending our position as fans while earnestly doing the "that's not something you should joke about" thing on moral grounds. Surely you either grow a thicker skin and accept that it's all fair game (my suggestion), or you throw yourself in with your own condemnation if you think something as trivial as jokes are beyond the pale. Edited August 17, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Would love to know how you thread the needle of defending our position as fans while earnestly doing the "that's not something you should joke about" thing on moral grounds. Surely you either grow a thicker skin and accept that it's all fair game, or you throw yourself in with your own condemnation if you think jokes are beyond the pale. Eh? What I'm saying is if you are trying to make a point of us being sports washed by making such jokes, then surely that indicates that it’s not that serious to you. I’m not on about people who just go round making jokes at everyone’s expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) My guess is Spurs away ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66531007 Edited August 17, 2023 by patrone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Stifler said: Eh? What I'm saying is if you are trying to make a point of us being sports washed by making such jokes, then surely that indicates that it’s not that serious to you. I’m not on about people who just go round making jokes at everyone’s expense. No I know, I'm responding to what you said. 2 hours ago, Stifler said: anyone who makes jokes/reference to beheadings in the response to our clubs actions automatically lose the debate on morality? How do they lose the debate on morality by making jokes about it? Making jokes doesn't automatically mean you don't take something seriously, in fact it often means that you do take it seriously. And like I say, if joking about it means they lose the debate, where does that put you? Not having a personal go at you btw, just basically saying joking about it doesn't invalidate anything. Edited August 17, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 So calling Newcastle fans sports washed for supporting their team play has truth, but saying it in a way like saying ‘BehEddie Howe’ doesn’t go against their apparent concerns? You can’t say something is a legit concern whilst making a joke about it, it takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Pedantic point but isn't the thing being sportswashed the reputation of Saudi Arabia, rather than NUFC fans? In the analogy, aren't NUFC fans (part of) the washing machine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Stifler said: So calling Newcastle fans sports washed for supporting their team play has truth, but saying it in a way like saying ‘BehEddie Howe’ doesn’t go against their apparent concerns? You can’t say something is a legit concern whilst making a joke about it, it takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion. You absolutely can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Pedantic point but isn't the thing being sportswashed the reputation of Saudi Arabia, rather than NUFC fans? In the analogy, aren't NUFC fans (part of) the washing machine? We are the washing capsules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Yeah, we’re the little grimy stuff that accumulates on the drum of the washing machine. A by-product of the sportswash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enthusiast Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Stifler said: You can’t say something is a legit concern whilst making a joke about it, it takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion. you're going to shit yourself when you learn about satire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Stifler said: So calling Newcastle fans sports washed for supporting their team play has truth, but saying it in a way like saying ‘BehEddie Howe’ doesn’t go against their apparent concerns? You can’t say something is a legit concern whilst making a joke about it, it takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion. No, of course it doesn't go against it and of course you can make a joke about it and not have it make you insincere. Surely you'll have watched stuff like The Day Today, BrassEye, The Thick of It, Bill Hicks, George Carlin, Frankie Boyle, Jon Stewart and countless others. Joking about stuff not only doesn't invalidate these things, but often highlights them. Half of the posts on here are joke posts as a type of coping mechanism for things. Edited August 17, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) I really want to believe that all the critics actually care about human rights in Saudi Arabia, but I think most of them are just happy to have something to use against Newcastle fans. I’m completely for making arguments against the things the Saudi regime do. I just don’t think it has a place in the realm of football fan rivalry. I don’t think needling other football fans is very comparable to satirical comedy. Edited August 17, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Cute, Pep, but we're all set with wor Eddie cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: Aimed at the “teeth grinder” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 17/08/2023 at 11:51, AyeDubbleYoo said: I really want to believe that all the critics actually care about human rights in Saudi Arabia, but I think most of them are just happy to have something to use against Newcastle fans. I’m completely for making arguments against the things the Saudi regime do. I just don’t think it has a place in the realm of football fan rivalry. I don’t think needling other football fans is very comparable to satirical comedy. I would agree and cynically I also think many people that do genuinely care about human rights aren’t really bothered about sportswashing, but use it to make their concerns about human rights seem relevant and topical. I’m not sure what benefit it really has to fighting human rights abuses by ensuring we have a negative opinion on certain countries, but maybe that’s me not understanding the issues enough. Where I do feel rival fans can comment here with more legitimate frustrations is the ‘separation’ stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Was only this week that privately educated Guardianista Man United fan John Brewin had to delete his racist tweet accusing all Saudis of being Jihadis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 The crown Prince appears to have been invited to this country. What's the betting he gets to take in a game at SJP? The shitshow will get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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