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[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, nufcnick said:

I’m sure a lot would, the problem is, I’m pretty sure 1 club can’t challenge the PL rules and regulations (yes I know a rule can’t override the law) but I’m certain PL clubs must sign up to and abide by all rules and regulations the league sets out at the start of every season.
when we got them to the hearing over the takeover, we got them that far because Ashley didn’t sign the rules and regulations at the start of that season, a mistake they will probably never let a club repeat. 

Maybe this is true.

 

Bosman changed the game. We have enough money to make it interesting in the courts. And even the threat of legal action will get media talking about "anti-competition" and that would at least move the needle away from the closed-shop model when there's talk of "reformation".

[BShearer]

looking at our annual report we are light years away from clubs ahead of us.

250m yearly revenue with 85m amortization cost and 180m on wages thats all without the latest summer transfer expenditure-growth in salaries..

 

CL income will improve revenues and new shirt sponsor too and gate receipts will increase with 3 CL home games too but costs on new players probably take that away. I am sure that nice fee we got for ASM will be really handy which probably makes current outgoings bit more likely at least one (Wilson or Trippier or Almiron)

assuming 5 year contract for Tonali, Barnes, Livramento thats around 26m per year amortization cost. no idea on their salaries but lets say 150k, 100k and 75k thats another 15m per year.  more or less(+ Hall+ agent fees etc, lol wonder what agent fee Tonali's agent we paying for keeping a nice big secret from us of the betting case)

 

worse PL finish will decrease few mill's from revenue.

 

we do need to drive up lot more sponsors, Saudi ones and non Saudi ones too.

 

 

[Miggys First Goal]

Time to start getting those ridiculous sponsors now, like Man Utd.

 

https://www.manutd.com/en/partners/global

[NG32]

We need an official lampshade sponsor. 

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, BShearer said:

looking at our annual report we are light years away from clubs ahead of us.

250m yearly revenue with 85m amortization cost and 180m on wages thats all without the latest summer transfer expenditure-growth in salaries..

 

CL income will improve revenues and new shirt sponsor too and gate receipts will increase with 3 CL home games too but costs on new players probably take that away. I am sure that nice fee we got for ASM will be really handy which probably makes current outgoings bit more likely at least one (Wilson or Trippier or Almiron)

assuming 5 year contract for Tonali, Barnes, Livramento thats around 26m per year amortization cost. no idea on their salaries but lets say 150k, 100k and 75k thats another 15m per year.  more or less(+ Hall+ agent fees etc, lol wonder what agent fee Tonali's agent we paying for keeping a nice big secret from us of the betting case)

 

worse PL finish will decrease few mill's from revenue.

 

we do need to drive up lot more sponsors, Saudi ones and non Saudi ones too.

 

 

This is why we’ll get a new stadium.

We’ll need more fans in to the ground, and we’ll need more hospitality.

 

Let’s take my NFL team for example. Indianapolis’ Metro area has a population similar to that of the North East, although it is slightly over double the area in landmass. Anyway, their stadium has 139 corporate boxes.

You look at SJP and we have hardly any.

Premier League football clubs will be looking at what the NFL are doing and wanting to emulate it.

We’ll get a bigger stadium, and we’ll get one that has a heavy corporate hospitality element to it, like Spurs’ new stadium.

[nufcnick]

24 minutes ago, Stifler said:

This is why we’ll get a new stadium.

We’ll need more fans in to the ground, and we’ll need more hospitality.

 

Let’s take my NFL team for example. Indianapolis’ Metro area has a population similar to that of the North East, although it is slightly over double the area in landmass. Anyway, their stadium has 139 corporate boxes.

You look at SJP and we have hardly any.

Premier League football clubs will be looking at what the NFL are doing and wanting to emulate it.

We’ll get a bigger stadium, and we’ll get one that has a heavy corporate hospitality element to it, like Spurs’ new stadium.

This, I follow the Detroit Lions, have a look at Ford Field 65,000 seater (expandable to 70,000) and it only cost £700m, they have shit loads of corporate boxes, but the Vast majority of them are all on one side, I would love to see us do something like this so you don’t get the fans cut in half due to the boxes 

 

 

Edited January 23 by nufcnick

[TomYam]

I'm hearing that Nemo is signing up as our official fish sponsor.

[Stifler]

17 minutes ago, nufcnick said:

This, I follow the Detroit Lions, have a look at Ford Field 65,000 seater (expandable to 70,000) and it only cost £700m, they have shit loads of corporate boxes, but the Vast majority of them are all on one side, I would love to see us do something like this so you don’t get the fans cut in half due to the boxes 

 

 

 

I was watching the game the other day, congratulations by the way. Anyway you could see some of the sofa type couches that our owners were on about. Seemed to be out of the way, but still a good view, a lot more inoffensive then some may think.

[FloydianMag]

18 minutes ago, nufcnick said:

This, I follow the Detroit Lions, have a look at Ford Field 65,000 seater (expandable to 70,000) and it only cost £700m, they have shit loads of corporate boxes, but the Vast majority of them are all on one side, I would love to see us do something like this so you don’t get the fans cut in half due to the boxes 

 

 

 

Arena site for a new stadium….the only way forward

[nufcnick]

Just now, Stifler said:

I was watching the game the other day, congratulations by the way. Anyway you could see some of the sofa type couches that our owners were on about. Seemed to be out of the way, but still a good view, a lot more inoffensive then some may think.

Yeah for years I compared being a lions fan to being a toon fan. I think it’s a great looking stadium and like the way that all the prawn sandwich brigade are all in the same place  

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Arena site for a new stadium….the only way forward

Castle Leazes would be my first choice (if possible)

[FloydianMag]

17 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

Castle Leazes would be my first choice (if possible)

It would be mine however objections will be made by people who live nearby in Spital Tongues etc whilst the arena site has far more potential and close to metro’s, hospitality etc.

[Kid Icarus]

46 minutes ago, TomYam said:

I'm hearing that Nemo is signing up as our official fish sponsor.

Got a link? Tried Googling but can't find them. 

[midds]

1 hour ago, nufcnick said:

This, I follow the Detroit Lions, have a look at Ford Field 65,000 seater (expandable to 70,000) and it only cost £700m, they have shit loads of corporate boxes, but the Vast majority of them are all on one side, I would love to see us do something like this so you don’t get the fans cut in half due to the boxes 

 

 

 

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[BonesJones]

One thing I haven't got my head around is if FMV only applies to sponsorship over £1m per season, then why haven't we exploited the shit out of that? Like the whole man u thing that gets mentioned often, with all their random sponsors.

 

If theres not a rule against it, I just don't see why we don't just get 20 legit Saudi companies to all sponsor us for some random crap at £1m per season.

 

Or have I got it all wrong? Only Man Utd can justify tractor sponsorship because a poll showed more farmers support man u than any other club?

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 hour ago, FloydianMag said:

Arena site for a new stadium….the only way forward

Would imagine that Leazes Park or similar would be explored again too. Never really got the massive uproar against it the last time. It’s not as if access to green space is an issue for anyone in the North East of England full stop.

[Dr.Spaceman]

3 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

One thing I haven't got my head around is if FMV only applies to sponsorship over £1m per season, then why haven't we exploited the shit out of that? Like the whole man u thing that gets mentioned often, with all their random sponsors.

 

If theres not a rule against it, I just don't see why we don't just get 20 legit Saudi companies to all sponsor us for some random crap at £1m per season.

 

Or have I got it all wrong? Only Man Utd can justify tractor sponsorship because a poll showed more farmers support man u than any other club?

 

What's to say we're not doing it or at least trying to do it? Surely we don't want to let everyone know that we've got more funds to spend on transfers than we actually have...

[BonesJones]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

What's to say we're not doing it or at least trying to do it? Surely we don't want to let everyone know that we've got more funds to spend on transfers than we actually have...

 

Well like that Dr Cinik sponsor was announced, wouldn't others be also? Can't leave toilet paper sponsor man out but let hair transplant man get all the fame.

[timeEd32]

I know everyone hates Man Utd, but they are one of the three biggest clubs in the world. Probably one of the 5 or 6 biggest sports teams globally. We're not going to match their list of sponsorships in 24 months.

[Ben]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

I know everyone hates Man Utd, but they are one of the three biggest clubs in the world. Probably one of the 5 or 6 biggest sports teams globally. We're not going to match their list of sponsorships in 24 months.

But at least they can't stop us from trying 

[BonesJones]

3 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

I know everyone hates Man Utd, but they are one of the three biggest clubs in the world. Probably one of the 5 or 6 biggest sports teams globally. We're not going to match their list of sponsorships in 24 months.

 

That was my first thought, and I get that but how hard is it to sort out? tbf I haven't got a clue myself, just assumed it would be talking to a bunch of companies, do you want to sponsor us, bit of paperwork and some signatures, bish bash bosh.

 

 

Edited January 23 by BonesJones

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Would imagine that Leazes Park or similar would be explored again too. Never really got the massive uproar against it the last time. It’s not as if access to green space is an issue for anyone in the North East of England full stop.

I get it to an extent.  I wouldn’t want to see the town moor replaced with a bunch of Barrett homes.

 

But the tactics of ‘Friends of Leazes Park’ and that daft bint who led them was underhand.  Canvassing for signatures in Sunderland was the lowest.  The pro- move side had far more signatures (over 100k from memory) before John Hall pulled the plug.

 

And there was very little hand-wringing from the support at the time.  People seem a lot more attached to SJP than they did in the mid-90s.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

I know everyone hates Man Utd, but they are one of the three biggest clubs in the world. Probably one of the 5 or 6 biggest sports teams globally. We're not going to match their list of sponsorships in 24 months.

We aren’t, but that’s more to do with valuation of the deals rather than the deals themselves.  

[bobbydazzla]

17 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

 

That was my first thought, and I get that but how hard is it to sort out? tbf I haven't got a clue myself, just assumed it would be talking to a bunch of companies, do you want to sponsor us, bit of paperwork and some signatures, bish bash bosh.

 

 

 

 

 

Was talking to one of the senior people in Man Utd's commercial team week before last. Even with their huge global profile and massive commercial teams looking all over the world for deals, getting sponsors isn't easy

 

What does a minor sponsor get for the investment ? Their name on the LED boards and maybe a press release

 

Hard for them to demonstrate ROI and that's for one of the biggest clubs in the world. And we're nowhere near them in terms of our global profile

 

 

 

 

Edited January 23 by bobbydazzla

[timeEd32]

5 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

 

That was my first thought, and I get that but how hard is it to sort out? tbf I haven't got a clue myself, just assumed it would be talking to a bunch of companies, do you want to sponsor us, bit of paperwork and some signatures, bish bash bosh.

 

 

 

 

I think it depends on how we want to approach it. We could probably get 5-10 companies to be global partners, "official spirit partner," etc. at some fraction of whatever Man United gets for it. We're then locked into that for X years. If we tried to get their number most companies would laugh at us and if we did get one it would probably get challenged.

 

We seem to be taking the opposite approach, going top down. New shirt sponsor at a top 7 level, new kit manufacturer with a big brand getting the "elite" treatment. By all accounts it sounds like the training ground / kit sponsorship might be next.

 

I can see the logic -- I imagine it'd be hard to ask someone to give you, say, £2m per year to be some vague global partner when only triple that gets you the shirt (fun88). Also, as we're building up the infrastructure within the club there's a far better ROI to be spending time with Adidas and talking to companies about putting their name on shirts, stadiums, and training grounds. 

 

My guess is things like airline, hotel, and/or betting partners will be in the foreseeable future, but we're probably a long way from "Official Formal Wear Partner" and "Official Electrical Styling Partner."