PIF and RB Sports & Media

[SUPERTOON]

7 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I agree. I've got no time for agents whatsoever and I have no issue with the club playing hardball during the negotiation phase but not paying what has been agreed makes us look either dishonest or incompetent neither of which I want people to associate with NUFC now.

 

It also supports the narrative that PIF are either losing interest or are going to take an age processing even basic day-to-day tasks, never mind huge projects like training grounds and stadiums.

Agree, I have quite a few doubts already over how high up on their priorities we are, stuff like this doesn’t help.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by SUPERTOON

[bobbydazzla]

If the article is correct it’s just a system issue causing a delay, this shit happens all the time

 

I just got paid 3 months late by a massive corporation because they’ve had issues with SAP4HANA system upgrade and ended up with a payment backlog 

 

 

But I don’t have the ear of journos so couldn’t go moaning to the press about it 
 

If NUFC are deliberately holding back payments, then that’s a different kettle of fish 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[54]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Still love how anything slightly negative towards our owners is instantly dismissed as negative shit stirring. Regardless of how anyone feels about agents, this isn’t a great look, especially ahead of a transfer window.

People in being loyal to their football club shocker.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, 54 said:

People in being loyal to their football club shocker.

[54]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I'm not sure what this means, but people blindly backing there club to the hilt is something that a load of fans do, and have done for generations.

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, 54 said:

I'm not sure what this means, but people blindly backing there club to the hilt is something that a load of fans do, and have done for generations.

Calling Ornstein lazy, inept and shit stirring because you (not you personally) don’t like the article he wrote is embarrassing. Blind support or head in the sand ?

[TBG]

Or not making a mountain out of a molehill?

[gjohnson]

Agents are the scum of the earth and shouldn't exist let alone be paid. This one is on the players for being too lazy read their own contracts. Given and Milner managed just fine without one and they are two of the longest serving players on record

[gjohnson]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Still love how anything slightly negative towards our owners is instantly dismissed as negative shit stirring. Regardless of how anyone feels about agents, this isn’t a great look, especially ahead of a transfer window.

Makemtastic

[54]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Calling Ornstein lazy, inept and shit stirring because you (not you personally) don’t like the article he wrote is embarrassing. Blind support or head in the sand ?

As anything, it's nuanced, Ornstein may be the best journalist out there, but he's still a journalist, who have agendas and deadlines to write, and when we've seen people like Hope and Jacobs write articles for clicks and to stir shit I can see why people are untrusting to the media, even if I don't subscribe to it.

 

To be honest them claims can be amplified for those journalists who are based in London who have links to the bigger clubs.

 

Personally I think this is basically a non-story, Ornstein even mentions in the article its normal process for clubs to do this. So to be honest, I'm not sure why people are so emotional one way or another.

[bobbydazzla]

17 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Agents are the scum of the earth and shouldn't exist let alone be paid. This one is on the players for being too lazy read their own contracts. Given and Milner managed just fine without one and they are two of the longest serving players on record

If agents don’t exist who is responsible for managing business affairs on behalf of players ? Do you have an alternative solution ? 

 

Most players are kids with very little education, often from deprived backgrounds, they supposed to manage their business affairs themselves ?

 

Not defending all agents, am sure some are scum, but also pretty sure some aren’t 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[gjohnson]

20 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

If agents don’t exist who is responsible for managing business affairs on behalf of players ? Do you have an alternative solution ? 

 

Most players are kids with very little education, often from deprived backgrounds, they supposed to manage their business affairs themselves ?

 

Not defending all agents, am sure some are scum, but also pretty sure some aren’t 

 

 

 

Read the first line of your comment again. It should be their responsibility yes. Deprived or dense or not they are still ultimately adults who should be accountable for their own actions...hiring some spiv to deal with real world issues is why most players are so far separated from reality

[duo]

Not a good look just before the January Transfer window 

[The College Dropout]

People dislike agents because football clubs tell them to dislike them.  
 

If Harry Kane had a proper agent he wouldn’t have wasted a year or two of his prime at a non-ambitious Spurs. 
 

This is not a big deal I assume.  The agents will get paid.  Just PIF being slow which isn’t unusual for big businesses and governments.  Other clubs do it too. 

[Whitley mag]

Nowt to see here think Ornstein gets a bit to much credit for being this super journo, no better than SUPERTOON on here in my opinion.

 

As a side note Caulkin really gets on my fucking tits these days, wasn’t so quick to criticise when his pal Staveley was feeding him info all the time.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Whitley mag

[Joelinton7]

6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Nowt to see here think Ornstein gets a bit to much credit for being this super journo, no better than SUPERTOON on here in my opinion.

 

As a side note Caulkin really gets on my fucking tits these days, wasn’t so quick to criticise when his pal Staveley was feeding him info all the time.

 

 

 

Caulkin’s grumpy old man schtick is really grating. He gets paid to watch Newcastle and he acts like he hates it. Grow up. And yeah he did get extra negative when AS and MG left, so did the true-faith lot. They used to be more balanced when we lost but now it’s one defeat and they blow the bloody doors off and start criticising PIF, Eddie etc and it started right after they left. Like they were normal and then went ultra bitter and petty because they had no more train rides with Mandy. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Joelinton7

[mouldy_uk]

34 minutes ago, duo said:

Not a good look just before the January Transfer window 

I’m sure the war chest is on its way

 

[SUPERTOON]

49 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Nowt to see here think Ornstein gets a bit to much credit for being this super journo, no better than SUPERTOON on here in my opinion.

 

As a side note Caulkin really gets on my fucking tits these days, wasn’t so quick to criticise when his pal Staveley was feeding him info all the time.

 

 

 

I’m not sure if that’s a dig at me or not ?

[High Five o]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

Read the first line of your comment again. It should be their responsibility yes. Deprived or dense or not they are still ultimately adults who should be accountable for their own actions...hiring some spiv to deal with real world issues is why most players are so far separated from reality

What a condescending take like. 
 

First of all I think the system is flawed in the way that the players should pay the agents, not clubs.

But I guess it’s part of the package anyway.

The players are responsible for their own actions, and I think most benefit from a agent who handle all the off field stuff. So they get one.

 

Lastly, we do not now if Given or Milner maximized their income in their playing career, either way it’s two examples. I would guess the majority of young footballers would benefit from a agent/advisor.

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

Read the first line of your comment again. It should be their responsibility yes. Deprived or dense or not they are still ultimately adults who should be accountable for their own actions...hiring some spiv to deal with real world issues is why most players are so far separated from reality

You’d rather players had to manage their own business affairs, rather than putting that job into the hands of professionals ?

 

Who is going to educate these young sportsmen on business matters and make sure they know what they’re doing as they sign up to multi million pound contracts ? 

 

Is a teenager who is footballing sensation and has grown up in a favella in Brazil or somewhere equally as deprived, really equipped to negotiate and do business with experienced Directors at the worlds biggest football clubs? 

 

I’m not defending all agents, am sure some are vermin. But suggesting all players manage their own business affairs is mental 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[vic]

The players have a union called the PFA where they can negotiate contracts.

[Chapo]

Ornstein gets his transfer info directly from the agents. You can be sure they've told him to put that article out to speed up their payments. 

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, vic said:

The players have a union called the PFA where they can negotiate contracts.

15 year old from South America / Africa / Europe, hot prospect, clubs from all over Europe chasing his signature, grew up in poverty, didn’t really go to school much, doesn’t speak much English, loves football but got no interest or capability in business 

 

Who’s making sure he makes the right decisions when it comes to signing contracts and working out the best way to develop his career ?

PFA won’t be involved in that 

 

A reputable sports agent would be invaluable to that young man  
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Miggys First Goal]

This kind of shit never happened under Ashley! Saudis oot. 

[duo]

edit: wrong thread

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by duo