Eddie Howe

[Rod]

53 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Summer transfer window was horrendous and is the reason we’re doing so badly. No idea who to blame for it. But pretending everything is fine is weird.

 

 

 

I think everything is fine.  Just out of luck at the moment.

[Rod]

48 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

Serious question (And I think the answer is no), if we lose the next 3 games before the international break does he get sacked?

Just fuck off with that shite man back to the mackem board.

[midds]

I think there's just too many things heading in the wrong direction right now. Things seem to have regressed both on and off the pitch and any momentum that the club had a year ago has essentially vanished, that's not all on Howe obviously, I still think he's done a brilliant job all things considered. However, I'm not sure how much patience his bosses will be willing to have or how much time/money he'll be allowed going forward. ON the pitch we look a shadow of ourselves these days, the aggression has disappeared, the press is so diluted it's often non-existant, the shithousing has vanished and that hunger and desire that was so obvious has also gone imo. We used to be the fixture everyone dreaded but we're back to being a nice opponent again. We look lethargic and predictable, we're easy to nullify and we're carved open several times each week. By Howe's own standards we've clearly taken several steps back and I'd hate to see this current team have to visit SJP in 2022 to play that team, it would be a massacre

 

There's obviously mitigating factors and he's been let down by those off the field too mind, this isn't all on Howe. You expect the off-field management to step up and get shit done and they simply haven't. To go an entire summer and end it weaker is disgraceful. The relationship with Mitchell needs to be solidified/clarified and shit needs to happen in January. The commercial team also need to step up and get every penny they can into the club, don't care how egregious the deals are, get the cash into the club and invest it immediately. Howe's been let down but he's not going to be given as long as we'd like to rectify it. He's ultimately responsible for results and performances and those have been below his own benchmark for a while now. Not sure how much time he has left to turn it around 

[J7]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

What, and be like you?

Like pretty much everyone does.

“Isaks a bit off form eh?”

 

“WHAT, can you not remember Rivière?!!!”

[Rod]

3 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The suicidal high defensive line with 2 very slow CBs is infuriating as well. Playing it away against a team full of pace and one of the most creative players in world football pulling the strings was at best high risk and at worst negligent. 

I agree with our defensive issues but Chelsea were shitting themselves when we attacked.

[NUFC91]

Honestly find it madness that people questioning Howe already after slow start purely because we've seen a lot of managers have dips or slow starts or lulls In their tenure. Look at other clubs, Bournemouth, Forest, Arteta at Arsenal after his first year and Klopp when they dropped off for that matter. 

 

Recruitment in summer let him down plus a lot of distractions at board level, they need to back him in Jan.

[Decky]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Nah, we haven't. We were rubbish by all accounts at Fulham and got at least a half at Wolves, and I'd be tempted to pin that adjective on most of today as well. But other than that we've been average-to-decent, and equal parts clinical (early on) and wasteful (now).

 

We've got tenth and a cup run all over us this season, imo.

 

We'll struggle to beat a top side or most Prem teams away from home in the cup if we keep playing like this, Wednesday is a big test after losing today too. 

 

Id be surprised if Howe wasn't sacked if we finished 10th too. A lot has been invested in the squad for two seasons without Europe. Hopefully we can just turn a corner quickly. Two wins next would go a long way.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Decky

[Alberto2005]

16 minutes ago, Rod said:

Just fuck off with that shite man back to the mackem board.

It was a question you doughnut.

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Alberto2005 said:

It was a question you doughnut.

It shouldn't even enter your mind ...... tit!

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Rod

[Alberto2005]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

It shouldn't even enter your mind ...... tit!

 

 

 

I apologise, Howe will be here forever regardless of how the results go and the Saudis will see it that way aswell.

[Whitley mag]

2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

Honestly find it madness that people questioning Howe already after slow start purely because we've seen a lot of managers have dips or slow starts or lulls In their tenure. Look at other clubs, Bournemouth, Forest, Arteta at Arsenal after his first year and Klopp when they dropped off for that matter. 

 

Recruitment in summer let him down plus a lot of distractions at board level, they need to back him in Jan.

Did recruitment let him down in the summer, or was he part of the issue, does backing him in January mean giving him players like Guehi and Elanga ?

 

The most likely scenario is that he’s still here in January, however any signings will fit in with Mitchell’s strategy and that in itself might bring things to a head again.

[Heron]

Now now chaps.

[Decky]

We resorting to name calling for different opinions in this thread already? Thought that wouldn't happen until at least after Arsenal.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Decky said:

We resorting to name calling for different opinions in this thread already? Thought that wouldn't happen until at least after Arsenal.

It’s Rod, it’s what he does.

[Kid Icarus]

19 minutes ago, J7 said:

Like pretty much everyone does.

“Isaks a bit off form eh?”

 

“WHAT, can you not remember Rivière?!!!”

It was that we've been absolutely shite for a year and are honking, but if you think that's the same thing, fair enough I suppose.

[NUFC91]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Did recruitment let him down in the summer, or was he part of the issue, does backing him in January mean giving him players like Guehi and Elanga ?

 

The most likely scenario is that he’s still here in January, however any signings will fit in with Mitchell’s strategy and that in itself might bring things to a head again.

 

I think more so the owners could of potentially handled the FFP side better to allow more funding, I think we need to see what the transfers are like in January 

[Rod]

23 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The suicidal high defensive line with 2 very slow CBs is infuriating as well. Playing it away against a team full of pace and one of the most creative players in world football pulling the strings was at best high risk and at worst negligent. 

OK, let's say I agree with you, especially the the centre backs (see how easy it is to spell centre backs).  Do you therefore think we should abandon our whole game plan and play with our defence on the 18 yard line or replace the CB's (sorry) with quicker personnel?  Where are these quicker/faster centre backs?

[Rod]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

It’s Rod, it’s what he does.

Howay man!  The tears and tantrums on here are pathetic.  Newcastle fans, my arse! 

[Collage]

Not fixing that flat midfield is weird like. It's been obvious and pointed out by countless posters on here for at least a year.

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Rod said:

Howay man!  The tears and tantrums on here are pathetic.  Newcastle fans, my arse! 

All in jest, it’s only football at the end of the day.

[Heron]

18 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Did recruitment let him down in the summer, or was he part of the issue, does backing him in January mean giving him players like Guehi and Elanga ?

 

The most likely scenario is that he’s still here in January, however any signings will fit in with Mitchell’s strategy and that in itself might bring things to a head again.

Are we now questioning Howes signings too? Cause I thought Trippier, Burn, Bruno, Botman and Isak were all excellent and Tonali hasn't had much time either. Am I wrong?

 

Or is it just that now we're saying they weren't his signings because we are now deciding he is ultimately not the man to take us forward from this point in time?

 

Are Guehi and Elanga now bad players? Or are they simply out of form or in out of form sides?

 

Does that mean Gordon is now shite and shouldn't be signed by say...Liverpool and Isak wouldn't get in the Forest side (again playing devils advocate)...

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Heron

[KaKa]

16 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Did recruitment let him down in the summer, or was he part of the issue, does backing him in January mean giving him players like Guehi and Elanga ?

 

The most likely scenario is that he’s still here in January, however any signings will fit in with Mitchell’s strategy and that in itself might bring things to a head again.

 

This recruitment let him down thing is unbelievable really.

 

Even though he keeps telling us there's only a few that can improve us, while we fail to address issues in the squad over multiple windows now.

 

But I've even seen today that apparently he's just saying there's only a few that can improve us to make the players we have feel good.

 

So many excuses.

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

This recruitment let him down thing is unbelievable really.

 

Even though he keeps telling us there's only a few that can improve us, while we fail to address issues in the squad over multiple windows now.

 

But I've even seen today that apparently he's just saying there's only a few that can improve us to make the players we have feel good.

 

So many excuses.

Howe is reluctant to spend on players he's uncertain about (with regards to their capability to improve our first 11).

 

Given FFP and all that is going on with that, it is both wise and pertinent to do so - should you wish to follow the rules.

 

Perhaps this is ultimately too safe, and time will tell, but ultimately spunking loads on players who potentially do not make the desired effect and potentially can not have the desired effect would see the club in a worse position than "playing it safe" if they do not pay off.

 

I am reading in this thread that now his transfers are questionable, his tactics aren't good enough, he is stubborn and won't change and that he basically can't motivate the team now.

 

So all in all - folk are collectively saying he is nigh on useless as a manager.

 

And you say "so many excuses"...

 

It's going both ways, and reality is somewhere in the middle of that I am sure.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Heron

[HaydnNUFC]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Are we now questioning Howes signings too? Cause I thought Trippier, Burn, Bruno, Botman and Isak were all excellent and Tonali hasn't had much time either. Am I wrong?

 

Or is it just that now we're saying they weren't his signings because we think he is ultimately not the man to take us forward?

 

Are Guehi and Elanga now bad players? Or are they simply out of form or in out of form sides?

 

Does that mean Gordon is now shite and shouldn't be signed by say...Liverpool and Isak wouldn't get in the Forest side (again playing devils advocate)...

 

 

 

 

I don't think people are questioning their abilities, but rather the strategy behind signing them and implementing them into the team. Especially from summer 2023. Tonali is a top class player but that midfield 3 looks unbalanced. Perhaps more time is needed but I personally didn't think it looked right before Tonali's ban and we've won 1 game out of 8 with that as the midfield 3. Tonali also continues to be substituted by the manager. Unsure if he's the profile we needed in midfield given the collective recognition that a more designated DM would be suited.

 

Barnes is another but the debate has been done many times now this season. Good finisher, but not the winger on the side we need(ed). He also continues to be substituted by the manager when he starts. 

 

Tino is a good young full back, but our system relies on Trippier still as seen by our appearance of more balance when Trippier starts due to a lack of evolution. Tino is a more defensive full back, but whilst our RW options continue to be as poor as they are our right hand side with Tino at RB may as well not exist offensively.

 

Guehi and Elanga aren't the players that'd have sorted this either. Especially at the fees quoted given the constant mention of PSR about us.

[Holmesy]

17 minutes ago, Rod said:

OK, let's say I agree with you, especially the the centre backs (see how easy it is to spell centre backs).  Do you therefore think we should abandon our whole game plan and play with our defence on the 18 yard line or replace the CB's (sorry) with quicker personnel?  Where are these quicker/faster centre backs?

I think we should adapt our approach depending on who we’re playing against. We can’t change the centre backs right now, so play more sensibly against teams with those particular attributes to negate our defensive frailties. 
We could’ve be 2 down with 15 minutes, and at one point Dan Burn pushed up into their half. I think it was for their disallowed goal maybe. Inevitably, it led to us getting caught and him lumbering back with no chance of catching the attacker. Fucking menta!

I think we’re at a point where we have been analysed to within an inch of our lives by every opposition team, and because we have no new players we have nothing new for them to adapt to. So the only option available is to do something different with the players we have. Right?