Eddie Howe

[r0cafella]

Just now, STM said:

 

There are plenty of professional outfits out there who have people making horrific decisions at the top though.

 

There's no certainty whatsoever that the people at the top of NUFC will make the right choice and the right choice is massively subjective.

Of course no guarantees exist but persistent with a underperforming manager (I'm not saying Eddie is my point is more general) and hiring a new manager to replace said underperforming manager are two sides of the same coin. 

 

After all, no point doing the same thing over and over and achieving the same results all whilst maintaining your way is right. 

[Ben]

If Eddie got his way with Transfers in the summer (including Bruno leaving) what would our team look like ?

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

If Eddie got his way with Transfers in the summer (including Bruno leaving) what would our team look like ?

 

How would anyone here know that.

[Kid Icarus]

Have to remember as well that there are a bunch of teams on similar points to us. 2 points separates Spurs in 8th and Man United in 14th.

 

Just been looking at a couple of other 'standing still/not clicking' seasons I can think of in recent memory as well.

 

The main one for me is Liverpool 22/23. At this stage they were on 10 points having had a very easy set of opening fixtures. 

 

Similarly Chelsea 23/24 were on 12 points at this stage having relied solely on Palmer.

 

The summer window was shit, no doubt about that, but I definitely don't think there's any need to catastrophise about our position, our performances post Man City, or our Manager. 

[Ben]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

How would anyone here know that.

Probably just off the players we were linked to and the obvious ones he wanted rid of

[TwoForJoy]

We're currently victim to the reason FFP was brought in and also feeling the after effects of Ashley's lack of ambition.

 

How long has Rafa been gone now, 6 years? We've still got half of his team on the books, Dubravka, Shaar, Lascelles, Longstaff, Almiron & Murphy

 

Then there's Bruce's players, Krafth, Joelinton, Wilson, WIllock & Lewis.

 

Given the binary choice of selling all of the above or keeping all of the above, I'd wager most would sell.

[JEToon]

I wouldn’t say sack him now, but I think he is in bother, things need to turn around for him. We have been really poor this season and yes the window plays a part but the general performance of players, trajectory, it feels wrong. I clearly hope it turns around but it doesn't really feel like it will. 

 

In terms of what PIF will be thinking, I think common sense alone tells you what is being produced this season will be miles away from what they expect

[SUPERTOON]

11 minutes ago, 80 said:

Talk of him being sacked by Christmas is daft by the way, unless Mitchell has done an Ashley and lined up a replacement months ago who he's just waiting for an opportunity to employ.

 

We don't want to rush a replacement - we need to maximise that outcome, and it's almost guaranteed that next summer is the most opportune moment.

With how long the club takes to do things, we may want to start interviewing now then if we want a replacement in by summer 

[bobbydazzla]

28 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Maybe the manager isn't the problem. 

 

I'm sure me and you could have a long chat about the last 30 years and come to some pretty obvious conclusions about why we haven't had sustained success.

 

Or we could have a 5 minute chat and agree there was a Gypsy Curse that was cast onto NUFC in 1969 and it's still the most powerful force controlling the fortunes of the club

 

Even the financial might of PIF can't defeat the hex

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[mouldy_uk]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Or we could have a 5 minute chat and agree there was a Gypsy Curse that was cast onto NUFC in 1969 and it's still the most powerful force controlling the fortunes of the club

 

Even the financial might of PIF can't defeat the hex

 

 

 

 

Maybe we need to sacrifice some players on the centre circle just before kick off to lift the curse. Worth a try. 

[kingxlnc]

I think we're missing Trippier's influence more than we think. He was so central to the way we play, he's effectively another purple. We haven't figured out how to replace his creative influence. We didn't need a 10 because he was so creative from his position. But if Tino starts, then we need more creativity in the team. I'd be tempted to bench Joelinton and put Willock in. 

Or even put Hall into midfield and play Kelly at LB. 

[Dr Venkman]

59 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

They literally did that with the last manager...

Fucking hell 

[mighty__mag]

 

Jesus the comments on this video. 

[mouldy_uk]

2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Jesus the comments on this video. 

[janpawel]

8 hours ago, Menace said:

We have lost that fear factor that we used to have when teams played us, incredibly hard to break down and absolutely lethal on the counter.

 

 

 

Absolutely. I miss when we were 'drawcastle utd' in our 22/23 season. We barely ever conceded more than 1 goal, even in the away games, always solid as a rock. And our defensive unit was quite like current Arsenal team, who I think are defensively excellent 

 

Now whether through poor coaching, or our tactics being figured out and we haven't evolved at all, we get sliced through like butter 

[mighty__mag]

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

They literally did that with the last manager...

 

Come on man, you can't use that comparison 

[mondonewc]

One major concern I have with Eddie is his inability to address how susceptible we are to the counter attack. Since the Forest game on boxing day, when we got absolutely mauled, it's been an ever present issue, we concede far too many basic goals.

 

You can't be a top team and keep leaking goals on a regular basis like we do. 

 

I don't expect many too agree, but I think Bruno is big part of this problem, our back 4 is exposed by those ahead of them far too often and Eddie's insistence on not wanting to play with an actual DM may well be his downfall here. 

 

I personally wouldn't even consider replacing him, he's a top manager no doubt, flawed sure, but no manager is perfect!

[Sempiternal]

2 hours ago, McCormick said:

“Let’s buy undervalued players from the continent” what a novel idea that no one’s ever thought of! What a pioneer that Mitchell is. It’s the same kind of model that clubs who don’t win things employ; and the same one that Ashley put in place a decade ago.

 

I honestly never thought fans would back Mitchell over Howe after that interview and failed window but here we are.

Completely agree. I would not be handing the keys to the club to Mitchell. No way 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Sempiternal

[mighty__mag]

3 hours ago, Andy said:

 

He isn't though. He's played the same system for three years whether it's working or not, we rarely change tactics or have a plan B. 

 

Howe has a lot of strengths in terms of coaching and getting the best out of players, but tactics and systems have never been what he was known for. 

 

That's not quite true though is it.

I assume you're basing it on the formation he goes with?

 

Eddie Howe works on player patterns within the formation, the patterns of play are changing within the game, for example when Miggy was in the form of his life he was working with Trippier and Bruno, you'll see players swapping roles all the time, but, I think currently its not quite working, perhaps because he's using different personnel and thinks they have different attributes therfore he might try something different, for example Livramento, infact rather than pin it on Livramento, that whole right side, it's not working like it did, people have gone on about predictability, I'd argue that's true, as where I've pointed out the right, its because we do everything down the left, especially if Anthony Gordon is playing.

 

I think Howe needs to balance the side, have equal threat on both wings, and start encouraging fullbacks to work with the wingers, and deliver support in attack.

 

Howe won't deviate to new formations, he'll just keep tweaking the patterns of play, but it's up to the players to get it right in the moments, or Howe needs to change those patterns or revisit those that worked better previously.

personally overlapping fullbacks over this stupid inverted shit when we go to a back three.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by mighty__mag

[The College Dropout]

I’ve defended Howe recently but consistently we don’t look a well coached team and have not done all season.  

[The College Dropout]

I don’t think Howe is a heavy ‘patterns’ guy.  Not like Ange and co. anyway. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

48 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Come on man, you can't use that comparison 

 

Why not, they literally sacked a manager mid season. They could easily sound out someone else for the job and do the same again if they wanted to. It's a good job there's no obvious candidate other than Rafa out of work at the moment, think he's the only other manager I'd be instantly okay with.

[Zero]

I don’t think it sounds that mad that he would be sacked before Christmas

 

Look at the schedule. We could lose all games prior to Palace (except Forest, but that’s an away game). And, if we lose that game, I think the axe will arrive 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Zero

[Displayname]

We havent had consistantly good performances(not just looking at the results) for a period of games in something like a year now. Its only one home game every now and then when the players get pumped up by the crowd.

When things arent going to plan we just look lost. 

 

I think he should have until the end of the season to prove he can turn it around, and thats only because of what he achieved when he first came here. But if he hasnt shown that he can produce a consistantly good side by then we should be looking for something fresh.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Displayname

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I think getting rid of Howe would be a disaster. 

 

Get behind him. Stay in the mix for a European push and back him in January with a couple of key signings.

 

 

 

The biggest issue going forward, if things are to improve with Howe, is getting in players to improve his first team and squad.

 

There's some sentiment out there that says Mitchell caused problems. Okay, so let's assume he's removed from his position, or at the very least he is tasked with getting whoever Howe wants, fully supporting the manager.

 

Are you confident the right approach will be taken to get the squad up to scratch?

 

So, letting some of the 'character' guys go because they are not good enough or can't stay fit, and finding alternatives if the number one options just aren't feasible financially? So we aren't continuously having to manage with players that are well below par?

 

If in January we are looking at the likes of Guehi and Elanga for around £90 million, do we just need to back Howe on this and fully trust it will work out? And allay any concerns that perhaps the money needs to be spread out more to improve other areas too?

 

Just want to get a better idea of how best you see this whole dynamic functioning going forward.