Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[KDT]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Why are we the only set of fans that aren't allowed to criticise the manager after an odd performance at home, against a struggling side who are / were about to sack their own manager after we've already seen this exact sort of performance a couple of times already this season?

It’s not the criticism it’s the hysteria that he somehow needs to be sacked/will never learn/awful at defending corners (1st time we’ve conceded from one this season tonight I think). I can see the criticism but it’s the range of we’re class straight to fuck my life Lloyd Kelly is Boumsong. I don’t know how people get by day to day if they can’t see some form of grey between black & white.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, TRon said:

 

We've seen it in too many games this season. Push high, lose possession through poor control and get cut to ribbons on the counter.

Exactly not sure how anyone can keep giving him a free pass when it comes to the midfield, it’s been a shambles for months and he clearly has no idea how to integrate Tonali again this season.

[Yorkie]

Just now, KDT said:

It’s not the criticism it’s the hysteria that he somehow needs to be sacked/will never learn/awful at defending corners (1st time we’ve conceded from one this season tonight I think). I can see the criticism but it’s the range of we’re class straight to fuck my life Lloyd Kelly is Boumsong. I don’t know how people get by day to day if they can’t see some form of grey between black & white.

 

A point you tried to visually emphasise at the last forum kickabout. 

[Crimson Cardigan]

Lads he hasn’t been given a signing in two windows. There is plenty of mitigation. We’re also living in an era where nothing clubs have trophy winning managers.

 

Tonight was insanely frustrating with poor performances all over and Howe made some bad calls. But West Ham were also incredibly fortunate at crucial points and we didn’t get a single break. Paqueta only seems to bother playing against us, and he shouldn’t really be playing at all. It was a clear penalty. Gordon and Isak have to score those first half chances.

 

There are issues, but Howe deserves time (and signings)

[buzza]

Sean should have been hooked at half time, why he waited another 15 mins was beyond my logic.

Tonali wasn't that much better but it should have been done earlier

[Myleftboot]

6 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

And Howe wanted Tonali (55m), but would rather play Longstaff.

I’m not convinced he was a Howe signing.

[Matt1892]

It has been like this for 18 months now and there is no sign of it changing.

 

Move him on and get Iraola in before the January window.

[Dr.Spaceman]

4 minutes ago, KDT said:

It’s not the criticism it’s the hysteria that he somehow needs to be sacked/will never learn/awful at defending corners (1st time we’ve conceded from one this season tonight I think). I can see the criticism but it’s the range of we’re class straight to fuck my life Lloyd Kelly is Boumsong. I don’t know how people get by day to day if they can’t see some form of grey between black & white.

 

I hear you. People are passionate about the club and want to vent their frustration, and that's fine, let them crack on. I'd much rather that than people continue with the whole "I'd never ever ever get rid of him" as if they'd be happy to see us finish 17th with no questions being asked whatsoever because how dare you question Eddie Howe.

[TheBrownBottle]

10 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

Lads he hasn’t been given a signing in two windows. There is plenty of mitigation. We’re also living in an era where nothing clubs have trophy winning managers.

 

Tonight was insanely frustrating with poor performances all over and Howe made some bad calls. But West Ham were also incredibly fortunate at crucial points and we didn’t get a single break. Paqueta only seems to bother playing against us, and he shouldn’t really be playing at all. It was a clear penalty. Gordon and Isak have to score those first half chances.

 

There are issues, but Howe deserves time (and signings)

We did sign players in the summer.  And Howe has had six windows to ship players out - and has clung onto them.  You can’t always buy if you don’t sell.  He’s spent a hell of a lot of money.  Good transfer dealings aren’t just about who you sign, but who you sell - and when.

 

Howe deserves this season, but I wouldn’t be handing him more signings without improvement tbh.  If we don’t qualify for Europe he’s gone I’d think.  
 

edit: this is harsh on Howe I admit, but in an era where ‘nothing clubs’ have trophy-winning managers, we don’t have one.  Which does create an issue re how much time you give without the trophy-laden track record to cling onto. 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by TheBrownBottle

[mighty__mag]

[Kid Icarus]

14 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

You come out with this every time though. We were all in agreement we needed to start this season very well. We’ve had pretty much the easiest start possible and we’re 10th. Something is intrinsically missing despite one player missing from the starting Xl. 

I come out with it because some of our fanbase are wildly fickle and reductionist to a comical degree. And others only seem to pipe up when we lose.

 

Isak and Gordon had multiple guilt edge chances again tonight and missed them all again. At least Isak can excuse himself overall because he's had a spell of form, but his finishing was still terrible tonight, and Gordon’s has been a joke all season.

 

People knock xG, but it's generally indicative of chances being created. We've had a draw and 2 losses now where our general play has created enough to win and our finishing has let us down. It's a problem, but I don't see much with our creation that points to Howe's approach. 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Jonas]

Its always whether Tonali or Longstaff/Willock should have started or come on. Or Murphy or Almiron or Barnes come on earlier or started and Gordon brought on but its the same stuff moved around the plate at the end of the day. There's no combination is going to guarantee a performance or result with what we have. Even if we could theoretically play the same best team in practice we couldn't and it'd need changing.

6 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

I’m not convinced he was a Howe signing.

Me either. Opportunist move from within once whispers were heard or leaked he was available.

[Andy84]

7 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

It has been like this for 18 months now and there is no sign of it changing.

 

Move him on and get Iraola in before the January window.

[Amir_9]

For me his subs/game changes just scream panic rather than tactical nous by this point, in a season where he's needed to change things very often when they aren't going to plan

 

And sadly, they haven't made a difference. Brighton game mk-II tonight and doubt it'll be the last time we see something similar this year. Even some of the lesser teams know how to play against us and get something/make us look like playing all night and never scoring.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Amir_9

[Crimson Cardigan]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We did sign players in the summer.  And Howe has had six windows to ship players out - and has clung onto them.  You can’t always buy if you don’t sell.  He’s spent a hell of a lot of money.  Good transfer dealings aren’t just about who you sign, but who you sell - and when.

 

Howe deserves this season, but I wouldn’t be handing him more signings without improvement tbh.  If we don’t qualify for Europe he’s gone I’d think.  

We did. A free replacement for Dummet and a kid from Sheffield Utd. Nowhere near enough for a side challenging for Europe given the strength of the league.

 

it doesn’t seem to be Howes job to “ship players out”. Maybe I’m wrong but we’ve had one semi serious bid for Trippier and that’s about it. We don’t have saleable assets.

 

By all means criticise the subs today which seriously backfired but Howe has been let down too.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Crimson Cardigan

[Ikon]

I also don’t like that we didn’t really make any proper signing this summer. Having said that, let’s not forget that we had players on the bench worth close to 200m! 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

We did. A free replacement for Dummet and a kid from Sheffield Utd. Nowhere near enough for a side challenging for Europe given the strength of the league.

 

it doesn’t seem to be Howes job to “ship players out”. Maybe I’m wrong but we’ve had one semi serious bid for Trippier and that’s about it. We don’t have saleable assets.

 

By all means criticise the subs today which seriously backfired but Howe has been let down too.

 

 

 

 

 

Howe was in control of transfers until the professional gardener came in.  I still find it incredible that we didn’t try and cash in on the likes of Almiron last summer rather than remaining loyal to limited players.  

[TRon]

Just now, Crimson Cardigan said:

We did. A free replacement for Dummet and a kid from Sheffield Utd. Nowhere near enough for a side challenging for Wurope given the strength of the league.

 

it doesn’t seem to be Howes job to “ship players out”. Maybe I’m wrong but we’ve had one semi serious bid for Trippier and that’s about it. We don’t have saleable assets.

 

By all means criticise the subs today which seriously backfired but Howe has been let down too.

 

 

 

 

He's not been let down, we've given him more money than we should have if anything, and ended up having to sell players just to stay on the right side of PSR. There's been laws brought in specifically to stop us making signings so I don't think you can say he's been let down. The way PSR works he's going to have to get used to selling players more readily and get used to the idea of buying unproven players with a high ceiling.

[Erikse]

21 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

I’m not convinced he was a Howe signing.

 

But he kept going on about how he watched him before we were in for him, and how he fell in love with the way he played?

[Myleftboot]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

But he kept going on about how he watched him before we were in for him, and how he fell in love with the way he played?

Hes not going to say he wasn’t arsed about signing him is he?

[Erikse]

24 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

I’m not convinced he was a Howe signing.

 

When he signed:

Newcastle boss Eddie Howe has revealed he signed £52million midfielder Sandro Tonali after he “fell in love” watching his play for AC Milan last season.

“We pursued him for a long, long time, paid a big fee for him because I fell in love watching him play the game last year.

“He’s an outstanding talent. He can do a little bit of everything. Very similar to our other midfielders, he’s got a combination of a lot of attributes that I think will suit the Premier League.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse

[ExiledGeordie]

26 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I'll always defend him but there's no denying that - in terms of trying to impact the game positively - he totally shanked it tonight.

 

On another night, the individual errors don't happen and the onus isn't suddenly put on him to tactically manoeuvre our way back into it. I can't blame him for Kelly's defending or Gordon's sitter. But the second half was a complete mess. 

 

We started very well and the general identity of the team is still in his attacking, high-pressing, play 'til we die image - and that'll bring far more good nights than bad. But I can empathise with those wondering if this is still moving in the right direction. The mitigation is of course in the fact we didn't back him in the summer.

 

The most worrying thing is breaking the SJP illusion. We've been nigh on unbeatable here but just been made to look very ordinary by a decent-not-special team, not long after being beaten by another close rival. That's not good for him. 

I think there are some valid concerns with Howe but equally his players let him down tonight with piss poor passing, awful final balls and woeful finishing. Simply not good enough by too many. For example Gordon has to bury that chance ffs

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

We did. A free replacement for Dummet and a kid from Sheffield Utd. Nowhere near enough for a side challenging for Europe given the strength of the league.

 

it doesn’t seem to be Howes job to “ship players out”. Maybe I’m wrong but we’ve had one semi serious bid for Trippier and that’s about it. We don’t have saleable assets.

 

By all means criticise the subs today which seriously backfired but Howe has been let down too.

 

 

 

 

 

He had tunnel vision in the summer over Guehi and then wanted to spunk 30 plus million on Elanga, he had the keys to the castle under PCP and fucked it up in the CL summer window, not sure Mitchell is the best DOF around time will tell, but think the notion he’s been let down is way off.

[Crimson Cardigan]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Howe was in control of transfers until the professional gardener came in.  I still find it incredible that we didn’t try and cash in on the likes of Almiron last summer rather than remaining loyal to limited players.  

Yeah but only by default. He will obviously want to hold onto his squad as it was 1. Small and 2. Performing

 

Being loyal to limited players is part and parcel of building a culture. It’s easy to be utterly ruthless from behind the ol keyboard, but limited player Dan Burn was sorely missed tonight and Almiron has little to do with our poor performances given he doesn’t actually play.

 

Howe was much work to do, that is clear - but he needs more help then he is getting.

[Crimson Cardigan]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

He had tunnel vision in the summer over Guehi and then wanted to spunk 30 plus million on Elanga, he had the keys to the castle under PCP and fucked it up in the CL summer window, not sure Mitchell is the best DOF around time will tell, but think the notion he’s been let down is way off.

Did you rate Gordon before he came in?