Beth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 He's doing exactly the same thing as Bruce by trying to put square pegs into round holes. Fair enough he's limited by injury/covid but that midfield and forward line was an absolute mess yesterday. It's ok to play 4-6-0 if you're Man City or Spain but plainly not us. It should have been the best available young'un playing as a dedicated striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beth said: He's doing exactly the same thing as Bruce by trying to put square pegs into round holes. Fair enough he's limited by injury/covid but that midfield and forward line was an absolute mess yesterday. It's ok to play 4-6-0 if you're Man City or Spain but plainly not us. It should have been the best available young'un playing as a dedicated striker. What would your line up have been? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Actually thought first half was fine, seemed to be just a matter of time before we scored. Players seemed to be knocking it around and enjoying themselves. Second half was just a total shit show, no idea what happened. Lacking any sort of ideas in the final 3rd and had no clue how to break them down. That said, when you look at who’s on the pitch, it’s hardly a surprise. There’s a team full of average players and only ASM who can create, on the day he had an absolute stinker. Top and bottom is, we need 4 or 5 new players straight into the starting 11 to stand any chance of staying up, this lot just aren’t good enough, especially without Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 A young, shite striker will probably be lucky to score 1-in-10. It's hardly an obvious decition to just throw one up top like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 The only criticism of Howe yesterday were his changes. I felt he should have stuck with his original line up, rather than changing strikers about 3 times. It didn't work and we looked worse. Murphy missed a couple of chances but actually looked dangerous at times. I'm not going to hammer him because he didn't have a recognised striker or because our defenders keep making individual errors. He's not going to start playing defensively to accommodate individuals, nor should he. We need new players. I'd like to see him show no loyalty to these players. Aside ASM and Wilson, any bid should be accepted for any player. We don't need money but we do need squad places. We also need a new mentality, which means chopping off the head of the snake and allowing the players to go through the storming, norming, performing process. Right now the leadership of the squad is Lascelles, Ritchie, Clark, Shelvey etc. All of of which are failing on the pitch. You can't have a winning mentality if your leadership core are failing. Get rid of as many as possible, replace as many as possible and create a new leadership, starting with Trippier, Joelinton etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: A young, shite striker will probably be lucky to score 1-in-10. It's hardly an obvious decition to just throw one up top like. Aye against a PL team but haway man, Cambridge were in the 4th division last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Nah we should be beating a league 1 team, there is no getting out of how bad a result yesterday was. It’s completely unacceptable. I know it’s unacceptable, I just mean it’s quite likely to happen. We’re very vulnerable to anyone who has a decent game plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: I don’t even know if we have one, certainly not from what I’ve seen. U23 football is not a good barometer. In retrospect it would have been better to lose with a half squad for myriad reasons but it’s too late now. You're right there like, I've just looked on .com and it looks like we don't even have one in the first team squad list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I know it’s unacceptable, I just mean it’s quite likely to happen. We’re very vulnerable to anyone who has a decent game plan. I agree, but what does that say about our own game plan? No coincidence our best game under Howe so far has been against Man.U, a team also lacking a coherent identity right now. Edited January 9, 2022 by Barnes23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I don’t even know if we have one, certainly not from what I’ve seen. U23 football is not a good barometer. In retrospect it would have been better to lose with a half squad for myriad reasons but it’s too late now. Aye. If we just threw that game we're voing into Watford full of optimism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) He has until the end of the season and then I will make a judgement when he has more of his players in. He could help himself though in the meantime - definition of madness Ritchie has played 90% of games at LB this season - how many games have we won, 5% He is not a left back, never ever play him at left back. He is a sub player at best and for a wing position. If you haven't got a left back then at least play a full back that has some idea of what the role requires - eg Manquillo. Clark is done - dont play him again unless we are down to no CB Edited January 9, 2022 by Awaymag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Our best attacking performance under Howe was Brentford, imo, who are a well drilled side. I think if we get the right players in then 3-4-3 is maybe our best bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: I meant throw like Ashley throw it. Play a few lads from the u23s, accept the fact we might get beat. We could have had the “it’s not the first team” excuse. Now we’ve got arguably our first team coming off the back of poor defeat to let’s be fair, a bad League 1 team It’s high risk low reward to go full squad in that game. I don’t really remember us ever playing badly after cup games when we lost them in the Ashley era tbh. Aye that's what I mean. If we'd thrown it we're in a much better mood for Watford win or lose. Agree there was little point in fielding our best side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 That’s true in hindsight, but I guess we expected to get through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 We've won 1 game all season. 1 game, you do anything to get some confidence into players and also that winning mentality. See absolutely no issue in playing full strength team, especially when it would be almost 3 weeks without a game otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magdoggy Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 53 minutes ago, Beth said: Aye against a PL team but haway man, Cambridge were in the 4th division last season. Haway? Mackem confirmed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, magdoggy said: Haway? Mackem confirmed I'm sorry like but I've got better things to do than pretend to be a Newcastle fan. Edited January 9, 2022 by Beth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Heron said: What would your line up have been? Well for starters I'd of had Manquillo in ahead of Ritchie. Midfield two of Hendrick (yes he shit but there just to protect the back 4) and Shelvey. Either Willock or Almiron (lol) playing the no 10 role with ASM and Murphy on the wings, and Linton as a link up man up top, which would have left Fraser and U23 striker to come off the bench as impact subs if needed. Yes I know Hendrick and Almiron are shite and Linton is not a striker but at least we'd have had a coherent formation instead of that dogs dinner yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Hope he proves me wrong, but he's got a massive job on his hands to pretty much build a new team spirit - all with the bunch of utter fucking losers lurking around like turds that won't flush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 The persistence with Ritchie at left back is worrying, especially when Manquillo is on the bench. Ritchie was never that great, is long past his best, and isn't a left back. He can't even hold the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) He’s not helped by a current squad made up of the equivalent of an “oops” shelf in a supermarket. Loads of yellow label goods on the verge of their sell by date that nobody else would really use unless they’re fucking desperate. As said this squad aren’t playing to stay up. They’re playing to extend their free meal ticket. Such a shame our youth set up has been so criminally under-ran that we have to play a cup game without a CF or an alternative to the shite in our first team. I guess the proof of Eddie’s talent will be if we actually do deliver on these rumoured signings and he can provide a game plan and tactics for 90 mins. Im praying we don’t end up with an “Eddie doesn’t know Howe to”! Edited January 9, 2022 by RS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 He has got to beat Norwich. There can be no excuses. Absolutely none. I can't deny that yesterday has raised a potential red flag against him for the long term for me, in terms of delivering results when the expectations are high. That game was an absolute gift and a chance to really get morale sky-high. Instead, the opposite has happened and the club is now a laughing stock for the next 7 days at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Needs to up his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Would Howe actually be able to manage the calibre of players we are after, as I believe he ain't got a cat in hells chance that he can, would be out of his depth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Well, Trippier seems more than happy to be working with him again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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