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Reporter: "Have you had any offers for players at the club"

 

Eddie Howe: "No offers received"

 

The above shows how difficult of a job Eddie has, the players at the club are such a poor standard...

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  On 21/01/2022 at 11:43, nufcnick said:

 

What part of what he’s just said is untrue? 

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Maybe the fact that he's had only 10 games in charge of us? Half of which have been against the top 6 and with one of the worst squads we've ever had in the PL? It's honestly embarassing, we've come out of a decade of mediocrity and people are still kicking off. We deserve all the stick we get from the media at times.

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  On 21/01/2022 at 11:36, mofo said:

Reporter: "Have you had any offers for players at the club"

 

Eddie Howe: "No offers received"

 

The above shows how difficult of a job Eddie has, the players at the club are such a poor standard...

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I thought everton offered a bag of chips(generous) for Longstaff?

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  On 21/01/2022 at 09:19, Wandy said:

 

Its a squad that finished 13th last season under a cretin of a manager. If he could get a tune out of them then Howe should be able to too.

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But every aspect of it other than the results somehow, we’re pretty much all 18-20th in the league. Howe just hasn’t had the sheer luck Bruce did before this season.

 

 

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:03, Optimistic Nut said:


But every aspect of it other than the results somehow, we’re pretty much all 18-20th in the league. Howe just hasn’t had the sheer luck Bruce did before this season.

 

 

 

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And people forget that we had 10 games at the start of this season that apart from 1 or 2 were the easiest fixtures we could have hoped for. We were firmly, firmly in the shit before Howe arrived thanks to Bruce.

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:14, Geogaddi said:

No wonder the rest of the country think we are deluded morons mind, some on here wanting a manager out after ten games [emoji38].

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 I get questioning him, fair enough but to use words like crowd bearing teeth is off the scale and shows little knowledge of football . Utterly ridiculous going on like that .

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:22, GWN said:


 

 I get questioning him, fair enough but to use words like crowd bearing teeth is off the scale and shows little knowledge of football . Utterly ridiculous going on like that .

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It's also showing little connection with our fans, who have been incredibly supportive of Howe to this point. Only the social media incel types are talking in such weird terms. 

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:14, Geogaddi said:

No wonder the rest of the country think we are deluded morons mind, some on here wanting a manager out after ten games [emoji38].

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Who said anything about wanting him out? He has got to do better, results-wise, that's all.  Playing nice football but getting beat every week is not acceptable. Fulham did that last season and look what happened there.

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:22, GWN said:


 

 I get questioning him, fair enough but to use words like crowd bearing teeth is off the scale and shows little knowledge of football . Utterly ridiculous going on like that .

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Dear me. [emoji38]

 

Bearing teeth just meant being a bit more critical. Not actually asking for him to be sacked.

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  On 21/01/2022 at 10:59, Wandy said:

Just remember that only two weeks ago we had one of the worst results in our history, so the idea that the current manager is blameless is bullshit. He has also had the luxury of the most supportive home crowd for at least 15 years and we have little to show for it. Even Rafa didn't have that luxury and Bruce achieved results against the exact opposite backdrop. The honeymoon is over and it's time that the support showed it's teeth a little more as we are sleepwalking into the Championship. 

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Bruce was saved by Covid, I reckon.  Even with Ashley in charge, I don't think he would have survived how toxic it would have become.  How many games were played behind closed doors during his time here?  Seemed like it was about a season and a half?!  His first half season or so, or whatever it was.  It just felt flat and dead.  Not even particularly negative towards him.  I thought the Bruce out stuff at games only really took off once fans were back this season? 

 

Rafa got universally backed by the fans at games, mind.  He certainly got more adulation than Howe, IMO.  Based on current results, rightly so and all.  

 

Other than that, I suppose you're right.  Not sure what showing me gnashers is going to do, mind :lol: 

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  On 21/01/2022 at 12:12, jonny1403 said:

 

And people forget that we had 10 games at the start of this season that apart from 1 or 2 were the easiest fixtures we could have hoped for. We were firmly, firmly in the shit before Howe arrived thanks to Bruce.

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I'm not sure about that, in hindsight we had a tough start.

 

West Ham H 2-4, have turned out to be top 4 contenders, not an easy fixture.

Aston Villa A 0-2, an away match against a better side than us, not an easy fixture.

Southampton H 2-2, expected to be relegation fodder but are a solid mid-table team, not as easy a fixture as it seemed.

Man U A 1-4, not an easy fixture.

Leeds H 1-1, one we'd probably expect to win, maybe could be described as an easy fixture.

Watford A 1-1, maybe could be described as an easy fixture, but it is away.

Wolves A 1-2, a top half team away, not an easy fixture.

Tottenham H 2-3, not an easy fixture.

 

5 definitely not easy fixtures and 3 debatables.

 

Brentford H 3-3, playing a team at home that had just lost to Norwich and Burnley, easy fixture.

Arsenal A 0-2, not an easy fixture.

Norwich H 1-1, easy fixture.

Burnley H 1-0, easy fixture.

Leicester A 0-4, not an easy fixture, but probably easiest we're going to get away against a top half team.

Liverpool A 1-3, not an easy fixture

Man City H 0-4, not an easy fixture

Man U H 1-1, not an easy fixture

Watford H 1-1, easy fixture

 

5 definitely not easy fixtures and 4 definitely easy fixtures. 

 

 

 

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  On 21/01/2022 at 10:41, Conjo said:

 

Yes I am. It's pointless arguing that he's had enough backing in the market based on something that hasn't happened yet.

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We might as well just not discuss anything then. :lol:

 

I said "he'll have had" not "he's had".

 

He's already been given £25M to spend on Chris Wood, we've brought in Trippier, and there will undoubtedly be more significant deals to be done in the next week and a half. If we don't make any more signings at all, then he clearly won't have had "enough backing".

 

However, if we spend £100M+ and still go down after 27 games of him as manager, I don't think he should be kept on.

 

All pointless, though, apologies.

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  On 21/01/2022 at 13:14, Rich said:

 

We might as well just not discuss anything then. :lol:

 

I said "he'll have had" not "he's had".

 

He's already been given £25M to spend on Chris Wood, we've brought in Trippier, and there will undoubtedly be more significant deals to be done in the next week and a half. If we don't make any more signings at all, then he clearly won't have had "enough backing".

 

However, if we spend £100M+ and still go down after 27 games of him as manager, I don't think he should be kept on.

 

All pointless, though, apologies.

 

 

 

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Broadly agree with you but re the bit in bold, the backing is clearly there so he's accountable if the transfer window fails due to him selecting targets that aren't/were never attainable (Botman/Carlos/Lingard). 

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  On 21/01/2022 at 13:14, Jackie Broon said:

 

I'm not sure about that, in hindsight we had a tough start.

 

West Ham H 2-4, have turned out to be top 4 contenders, not an easy fixture.

Aston Villa A 0-2, an away match against a better side than us, not an easy fixture.

Southampton H 2-2, expected to be relegation fodder but are a solid mid-table team, not as easy a fixture as it seemed.

Man U A 1-4, not an easy fixture.

Leeds H 1-1, one we'd probably expect to win, maybe could be described as an easy fixture.

Watford A 1-1, maybe could be described as an easy fixture, but it is away.

Wolves A 1-1, a top half team away, not an easy fixture.

Tottenham H 2-3, not an easy fixture.

 

5 definitely not easy fixtures and 3 debatables.

 

Brentford H 3-3, playing a team at home that had just lost to Norwich and Burnley, easy fixture.

Arsenal A 0-2, not an easy fixture.

Norwich H 1-1, easy fixture.

Burnley H 1-0, easy fixture.

Leicester A 0-4, not an easy fixture, but probably easiest we're going to get away against a top half team.

Liverpool A 1-3, not an easy fixture

Man City H 0-4, not an easy fixture

Man U H 1-1, not an easy fixture

Watford H 1-1, easy fixture

 

5 definitely not easy fixtures and 4 definitely easy fixtures. 

 

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That's all a bit basic, isn't it?  Using hindsight to look back at the earlier games, where teams are now and not based on how those games were at the time, the positions of the opponents, their form and ability at the time, different managers etc.  

 

Spurs were shite under Nuno.  Watford were just as bad and in shite form under Munoz too, if memory serves?  Leeds and Southampton at home not seen as easy/winnable games at the time?  Villa?  Were they really any good back then?  They've had an upturn in form and good results and performances since Gerrard came in.  They're still only 13th after all that, mind?

 

Plus the difference in the games listed under Bruce and then under Howe, playing a few teams who are light years ahead and basically always beat us in Liverpool, City and Arsenal.  Man U and all.  Although we did catch them at a good time, I suppose.  They look average now. 

 

 

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