Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Its a championship squad, not sure what people expect from Howe, if we go down he deserves the chance to bring us back up and he certainly shouldn't be getting sacked if it means Benitez comes back. Edited January 21, 2022 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I'd stick with him personally. Obviously it's a results business, but I can see what he's trying to do, I like it, and I can see it clicking and being successful with better players. I think if we go down there's every argument to be made that we're this season's team that looked doomed from the start, regardless of the manager. It probably goes without saying that he absolutely must get the team winning once new signings are in, he doesn't have the time to roll out a project or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. If Howe was allowed to take us down, I think I'd be massively disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Are you taking the three best players away from Norwich, Burnley and Watford too then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I'd stick with him personally. Obviously it's a results business, but I can see what he's trying to do, I like it, and I can see it clicking and being successful with better players. I think if we go down there's every argument to be made that we're this season's team that looked doomed from the start, regardless of the manager. It probably goes without saying that he absolutely must get the team winning once new signings are in, he doesn't have the time to roll out a project or anything. Agree with this, if we go down it probably very much depends how. Glorious defeat and he'll probably stay on (see Rafa). If we roll over without a fight, he's probably done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Wandy said: If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. We shouldn't, but then he did take over a team 11 games into a season who had no fitness and hadn't been coached whatsoever for about three years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Man Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If we did go down think I'd prefer him to stay (depending on how badly rest of season goes obvs) but I think he will almost certainly be gone - first press conference he was very clear his remit was to keep team in PL and if he fails at that then doubt he will be afforded any patience - could even go before end of season if situation is looking perilous and owners fancy trying a new manager to bounce us out of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Its a squad that finished 13th last season under a cretin of a manager. If he could get a tune out of them then Howe should be able to too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We shouldn't, but then he did take over a team 11 games into a season who had no fitness and hadn't been coached whatsoever for about three years. True, but that excuse cannot be used now, 2 months into his tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Shearergol said: Are you taking the three best players away from Norwich, Burnley and Watford too then? The reason I did that is to highlight how bad the majority of our squad is. Those 3 are quality and like-for-like the best players in their position out of those teams, but I think it obscures those teams being stronger as a whole. It gets talked about a lot, but those teams have midfielders and forwards who would walk into team or squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Wandy said: True, but that excuse cannot be used now, 2 months into his tenure. It can't, but he has been handicapped by more or less a third of a season. Its a massively mitigating factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: It can't, but he has been handicapped by more or less a third of a season. Its a massively mitigating factor. Nah. The season is completely saveable right now with 18 games to go. We are not adrift and our direct rivals are garbage. No excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wandy said: Its a squad that finished 13th last season under a cretin of a manager. If he could get a tune out of them then Howe should be able to too. That’s what the league position says, but we all know that the sole reason we survived last year was because of a never to be repeated patch of record goal scoring from Willock. Without that, we’d have been down and out long before with the squad we still have. And that wasn’t down to Bruce. It was simple good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: That’s what the league position says, but we all know that the sole reason we survived last year was because of a never to be repeated patch of record goal scoring from Willock. Without that, we’d have been down and out long before with the squad we still have. And that wasn’t down to Bruce. It was simple good luck. Who says its never to be repeated? Why can it not be that Howe is not getting the best out Willock at the moment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The 13th last year thing isn't really a good yardstick, imo. We were in horrific form until supa sub came along, and the teams that were around us then have invested. I'd say our squad is probably about 17th best in the league now but not exactly by a strong margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The reason I did that is to highlight how bad the majority of our squad is. Those 3 are quality and like-for-like the best players in their position out of those teams, but I think it obscures those teams being stronger as a whole. It gets talked about a lot, but those teams have midfielders and forwards who would walk into team or squad. Be interesting to do a like for like comparison with Norwich, I haven't really paid much attention to their players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Wandy said: Nah. The season is completely saveable right now with 18 games to go. We are not adrift and our direct rivals are garbage. No excuses. Oh I agree, its saveable. I just don't think it's all on him if we do drop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Wandy said: Who says its never to be repeated? Why can it not be that Howe is not getting the best out Willock at the moment? Willock had never played as well as that beforehand. And he looks nothing like it since. Either under Bruce (again, this season), or Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: Willock had never played as well as that beforehand. And he looks nothing like it since. Either under Bruce (again, this season), or Howe. He'd never been given the chance by anyone beforehand. And yeah, we know that Bruce had ran out of ideas to get anything out of this team. But I think Howe should have gotten at least something out of Willock by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Wandy said: He'd never been given the chance by anyone beforehand. And yeah, we know that Bruce had ran out of ideas to get anything out of this team. But I think Howe should have gotten at least something out of Willock by now. You say Willocks form was down to Bruce last year? So why couldn’t he get a tune out of him at the start of the season again? He’s a bang average player who hit the purplest patch of form his career will ever see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: You say Willocks form was down to Bruce last year? So why couldn’t he get a tune out of him at the start of the season again? He’s a bang average player who hit the purplest patch of form his career will ever see. Because he got "Bruced". Agree that he's average, but he's also better than what we are seeing now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: Its a squad that finished 13th last season under a cretin of a manager. If he could get a tune out of them then Howe should be able to too. It doesn't seem to work like that though, the squad is the same but everyone else has improved and the other shit teams from last year have been relegated. We see this happen year after year, clubs fail to invest over the years and eventually they have a season like the one we're having. Just off the top of my head you can follow the same pattern with Stoke, Villa, West Brom, Swansea, Fulham before they started yo-yoing, and Wigan. When you watched those teams you could sense relegation was in the post and this Newcastle squad's no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 My main point in all this is that it's about time proper pressure and expectation was place on Howe's shoulders. He has understandably been given a free ride so far due to that state of the club and playing squad two months ago. But its now time to see if he can deliver at a big, high profile club when the pressure is on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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