Heron Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Wilson said: He desperately needs to pick them back up now. Shocking display mentally and physically today which I'm not used to. I can't pinpoint the issue, thought everyone with the exception of Tonali from the starting line up had a shocker today. Also up to the fans to rally... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Because they are a well drilled system team that occasionally spanks good teams. Neither I nor KI have claimed that they are a super team of massive stars. That's just horse shit hyperbole. I wasn't referring to you or KI, I just said people were going on about them being a super team etc. You don't have to take everything literally otherwise don't use hyperbole terms like horseshit hyperbole if you are going to go down that road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, TRon said: I wasn't referring to you or KI, I just said people were going on about them being a super team etc. You don't have to take everything literally otherwise don't use hyperbole terms like horseshit hyperbole if you are going to go down that road. Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, TRon said: Agree, people are going on like Brighton are some super team of massive stars, but they are anything but. It's one thing to be passed off the park by Man City, but when a team which has been selling off it's best players is taking you apart then it's fair to ask questions about our own tactical set up. Our whole game is based on the press, if teams are passing round it, then we need to find another way. Or find a combination of players who can implement the press more effectively. Again, an underestimation of Brighton. They don't need massive stars. They actually underperformed last season, if you look at all their key stats a lot of them were 2nd only to Man City. There's a bit of ignorance and snobbery where Brighton are concerned imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Heron said: Also up to the fans to rally... Exactly, imagine if we get a famous win in Milan. Stranger things have happened. Get behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Again, an underestimation of Brighton. They don't need massive stars. They actually underperformed last season, if you look at all their key stats a lot of them were 2nd only to Man City. There's a bit of ignorance and snobbery where Brighton are concerned imo. Brighton are a really good side, there is no shame in being beaten by them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Again, an underestimation of Brighton. They don't need massive stars. They actually underperformed last season, if you look at all their key stats a lot of them were 2nd only to Man City. There's a bit of ignorance and snobbery where Brighton are concerned imo. I find that slightly troubling though, because if their system is so well drilled they can outplay us so thoroughly after losing so many players, then what does that say about our system where the manager has had two years to implement it? From his interview, Eddie himself looked disappointed with how we matched up even if he was never going to say it in so many words. Either our system is not able to cope with a high level passing game, or we just don't have the players to implement it well enough. In which case we have been a bit naive in thinking we could just bulldoze our way through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE690 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Feels like to beat us you play the low block and counter. Both Brighton and Liverpool were more than happy to give us time on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, JUICE690 said: Feels like to beat us you play the low block and counter. Both Brighton and Liverpool were more than happy to give us time on the ball. Conversely, Man City and Brighton beat us by not letting us have the ball at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Heron said: Also up to the fans to rally... You're not wrong, said in the match thread we seemed strangely quiet. Hope you didn't take that post as a pop at the gaffa My worry today was that the intensity/pressing wasn't there off the ball, and the sharpness wasn't there on the ball. Frustrating as we know we're so much better than today. He's got a big job to pick them up, and it's gona be a long couple of weeks, but he'll do it. Edited September 2, 2023 by Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, TRon said: Agree, people are going on like Brighton are some super team of massive stars, but they are anything but. It's one thing to be passed off the park by Man City, but when a team which has been selling off it's best players is taking you apart then it's fair to ask questions about our own tactical set up. Our whole game is based on the press, if teams are passing round it, then we need to find another way. Or find a combination of players who can implement the press more effectively. Brighton have an excellent manager and an excellent setup. But aye they are not world beaters. But neither are we. We’ve spent lots of money but I don’t think our squad is significantly superior. They seem to have one of the best young managers in football and I think we do too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, brummie said: Brighton are a really good side, there is no shame in being beaten by them. No shame getting beat off a good side, but we can definitely question the manner of it. We looked like a completely different team today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wilson said: You're not wrong, said in the match thread we seemed strangely quiet. Hope you didn't take that post as a pop at the gaffa My worry today was that the intensity/pressing wasn't there off the ball, and the sharpness wasn't there on the ball. Frustrating as we know we're so much better than today. He's got a big job to pick them up, and it's gona be a long couple of weeks, but he'll do it. No, not at all, I was saying it in addition. Perhaps, deep down, Howe needs us to pick him up too. It would never be said, but I reckon a good show of support vs Brentford for both Howe as the team would go down a treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 For the first time his thinking doesn’t look clear team wise and think it’s showing through on the pitch. The ease in which teams are getting at our back 4 is a major problem and we look pedestrian and predictable in attack. Needs some tweaks notably to the midfield and wide forward areas for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TRon said: I find that slightly troubling though, because if their system is so well drilled they can outplay us so thoroughly after losing so many players, then what does that say about our system where the manager has had two years to implement it? From his interview, Eddie himself looked disappointed with how we matched up even if he was never going to say it in so many words. Either our system is not able to cope with a high level passing game, or we just don't have the players to implement it well enough. In which case we have been a bit naive in thinking we could just bulldoze our way through it. Well you're talking about Howe's 21 months (in which he took a team from relegation fodder to Champions League qualification) vs Tony Bloom's 14 year plan that's only come to fruition in the last couple of years, hasn't ended up in Champions League qualification yet, but along the way has had them outplaying the best teams in the league and making shit tons of money from player sales. Meanwhile, despite our success, our star player from the previous era just went for £25m and we're still trying to offload the likes of Jeff Hendrick on loan. Imo there's not a single part of that that's troubling from our point of view, it's a remarkable success. Edited September 2, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 We over achieved last season and the only addition to first team games is Tonali so maybe we are at our real level now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, JUICE690 said: Feels like to beat us you play the low block and counter. Both Brighton and Liverpool were more than happy to give us time on the ball. Brighton were happy to give us time on the ball? I must have been watching a different match, they hounded us non-stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Myleftboot said: We over achieved last season and the only addition to first team games is Tonali so maybe we are at our real level now. We got one more point from the same collection of games last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, JUICE690 said: Feels like to beat us you play the low block and counter. Both Brighton and Liverpool were more than happy to give us time on the ball. Neither Liverpool or Brighton played a low block. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, NUFC91 said: Exactly, imagine if we get a famous win in Milan. Stranger things have happened. Get behind them. Lost 3-1 at home to Wimbledon days before we beat Barcelona lost 5-2 at Blackburn days before we beat Juventus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, brummie said: Brighton are a really good side, there is no shame in being beaten by them. And if you’re as off colour as we were today you’re going to get it properly handed to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) It's a difficult task for Howe to figure out how to solve this situation. We made it out of a bad run last season and went on a brilliant winning streak. Lets hope we can do that again. Will be interesting to see what he does next. Edited September 2, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Think it's unfair to level at him that he doesn't change things. Maybe not radical shape changes, no, but FourFourTwo did a great video on us last season about how we progressed our pressing game midway last season from all-out to mid-block etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 You were saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Well you're talking about Howe's 21 months (in which he took a team from relegation fodder to Champions League qualification) vs Tony Bloom's 14 year plan that's only come to fruition in the last couple of years, hasn't ended up in Champions League qualification yet, but along the way has had them outplaying the best teams in the league. Imo there's not a single part of that that's troubling from our point of view. If we are going to get outplayed and we know it, then I'd prefer to adapt our tactics to nullify their strengths. Our goal came from a long ball which bypassed their press, similar to how Liverpool's goals have come against us in the last two games at St James. Like I said, Howe's no dinosaur, he'll have learned from today and I don't expect we'll be making these mistakes in future games. Edited September 2, 2023 by TRon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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