cubaricho Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) As always, and especially because of FFP, we need to be cognizant of raising the floor more than raising the ceiling. Edited June 22 by cubaricho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, KaKa said: How do you know the club is not taking all this into consideration? This isn't my argument, and I'm not really interested in it. I was just irked by your reluctance to see any other point of view other than your own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, Weezertron said: This isn't my argument, and I'm not really interested in it. I was just irked by your reluctance to see any other point of view other than your own. How am I not seeing Anyone else's view? We do not only avoid signing foreign players, and we do not spend significantly more on the English players that we do sign, and in fact typically only sign them when there is decent value to be had. And so what exactly are you irked by? The fact that I don't agree with what people are saying because it is inaccurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Who have we overpaid for so far from these shores? To be fair, I don't think it's necessarily about under or overpaying, it's about finding value for money. Now I think there's quite a lot of snobbery towards Premier League players (look no further than the reaction to Kilman), but there's no doubting you pay a premium. The Premium is the guarantee of being Premier League ready, but given our limited budget there is a fair argument we should br taking more risks. Nickson clearly has an eye for a player and we could be utilising that in cheaper, foreign markets. The percentage of duds may increase, but the budget would go further. In terms of recruitment, the club have earned our trust, but there's no doubt they value Premier League experience and are willing to pay for it. The question is, is it sustainable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 His biggest issue won’t be buying British players, it will be on our injuries next season. Last season should be viewed as a freak season injury wise. However, another season like that and fingers will be pointed at his methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, KaKa said: How am I not seeing Anyone else's view? We do not only avoid signing foreign players, and we do not spend significantly more on the English players that we do sign, and in fact typically only sign them when there is decent value to be had. And so what exactly are you irked by? The fact that I don't agree with what people are saying because it is inaccurate? Honestly, it's was probably you dropping condescending solitary smilies left and right on the forum today to any comment you disagreed with. It's fine though. I took the bait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: To be fair, I don't think it's necessarily about under or overpaying, it's about finding value for money. Now I think there's quite a lot of snobbery towards Premier League players (look no further than the reaction to Kilman), but there's no doubting you pay a premium. The Premium is the guarantee of being Premier League ready, but given our limited budget there is a fair argument we should br taking more risks. Nickson clearly has an eye for a player and we could be utilising that in cheaper, foreign markets. The percentage of duds may increase, but the budget would go further. In terms of recruitment, the club have earned our trust, but there's no doubt they value Premier League experience and are willing to pay for it. The question is, is it sustainable? I think there was a sound logic in buying a core of Premier League ready players with a sprinkle of foreign talent to take us to a certain point, arguably we are in a position now where we should be taking more risks buying abroad to boost the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, The Prophet said: To be fair, I don't think it's necessarily about under or overpaying, it's about finding value for money. Now I think there's quite a lot of snobbery towards Premier League players (look no further than the reaction to Kilman), but there's no doubting you pay a premium. The Premium is the guarantee of being Premier League ready, but given our limited budget there is a fair argument we should br taking more risks. Nickson clearly has an eye for a player and we could be utilising that in cheaper, foreign markets. The percentage of duds may increase, but the budget would go further. In terms of recruitment, the club have earned our trust, but there's no doubt they value Premier League experience and are willing to pay for it. The question is, is it sustainable? The thing is though we don't sign English players at a premium. We always look for good deals. Looking back the English players we do sign often outplay the foreign signings a lot of people preferred. Burn has been better than Diego Carlos, Gordon has been better than Moussa Diaby, Targett ended up doing better than that Brazilian that ended up at Forest at the time, Renan Lodi. Just as a few examples. A good signing is a good signing no matter where from. Let's see who comes in and what happens once the games come around. I suspect it will be the same old story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Weezertron said: Honestly, it's was probably you dropping condescending solitary smilies left and right on the forum today to any comment you disagreed with. It's fine though. I took the bait. We haven't even signed any of these guys and there's talk of how they are holding us back etc. I'm sorry but it's a bit laughable. Especially because I still remember quite clearly the uproar about the Gordon signing on here. Now he's everyone's favourite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 11 minutes ago, KaKa said: We haven't even signed any of these guys and there's talk of how they are holding us back etc. I'm sorry but it's a bit laughable. Especially because I still remember quite clearly the uproar about the Gordon signing on here. Now he's everyone's favourite. Must admit I was one of those people who had uproar and that signing was when I vowed not to do it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 20 minutes ago, KaKa said: The thing is though we don't sign English players at a premium. We always look for good deals. Looking back the English players we do sign often outplay the foreign signings a lot of people preferred. Burn has been better than Diego Carlos, Gordon has been better than Moussa Diaby, Targett ended up doing better than that Brazilian that ended up at Forest at the time, Renan Lodi. Just as a few examples. A good signing is a good signing no matter where from. Let's see who comes in and what happens once the games come around. I suspect it will be the same old story. I feel like you're missing my point. I don't doubt the quality of our signings, hence why the club have earned our trust. Edited June 22 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Must admit I was one of those people who had uproar and that signing was when I vowed not to do it again. And I wish more were like this. I'm always wrong and I'm always prepared to admit it. The world's a better place when people don't double down. It surprise a few people but scouts aren't just some schmucks who turn up, watch a game and decide "he's a good player", their who lives are dedicated in finding who's got what skill and for which club they might suit. It's so complex. (Not aimed at you) Kilman is Wolves Captain FFS, does anybody realise what level of personality and ability it takes to get to this level in football. Its honestly a matter of days before its revealed that the likes Man United etc were also sniffing around him. Mind I'm not sure I'm making the best argument there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Great coach but a bad manager. He should stay away from the market. He knows only PL players and want inflated PL players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Hysteria's a laughable trait, mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 38 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Must admit I was one of those people who had uproar and that signing was when I vowed not to do it again. As for your claim of being negative, I give you a generous D+. You're failing at pessimism, dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, STM said: Some absolute whoppers in here mind.... and yes it's because I disagree with your opinion. Our record in the transfer market is fantastic, especially the players we've signed from these shores. I don't want us to sign foreign players just to appease a few FM wannabees who think they have the foreign market sussed. Eddie has forgotten more about football than most (including me) will ever even understand in their lifetime. That doesn't mean to say you aren't entitled to an opinion, it just means that you are likely wrong. The one season he had a chance to spend money at Bournemouth he ultimately delivered. Solanke Ake Billing Danjuma Kelly Mings Bournemouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: As for your claim of being negative, I give you a generous D+. You're failing at pessimism, dude. I honestly don’t know what that means - my apologies if I’ve missed something obvious and wondering if I’m having a senior moment (I turned 50 last week) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Gawalls said: I honestly don’t know what that means - my apologies if I’ve missed something obvious and wondering if I’m having a senior moment (I turned 50 last week) you claimed that you were a really negative person awhile ago. I just haven't seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: I've heard when Eddie takes his family for a Chinese he has the English omelette Clowns on here 🤡😂😂😂😂😂😂 Saw him in My Delhi aggressively ordering steak and chips well done last week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: you claimed that you were a really negative person awhile ago. I just haven't seen it. thanks - I used to be first window or two but got on board really quickly and am just enjoying the ride after so many years of Ashley etc. Edited June 22 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Fezzle said: Saw him in My Delhi aggressively ordering steak and chips well done last week Loves a cup of tea but only Yorkshire tea. None of ya forrin muck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, KaKa said: How am I not seeing Anyone else's view? We do not only avoid signing foreign players, and we do not spend significantly more on the English players that we do sign, and in fact typically only sign them when there is decent value to be had. And so what exactly are you irked by? The fact that I don't agree with what people are saying because it is inaccurate? I think you’re right re: value. When we’ve bought from these shores, we’ve extracted good prices (Wood aside). Not sure how they would stack up against similarly rated players from other leagues, but we haven’t been take to the cleaners for players from the U.K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 10 minutes ago, AJ9 said: I think you’re right re: value. When we’ve bought from these shores, we’ve extracted good prices (Wood aside). Not sure how they would stack up against similarly rated players from other leagues, but we haven’t been take to the cleaners for players from the U.K. Yes, this is the thing. We mostly do our key business in that £30 million to £40 million range, whether at home or abroad, and we've been very good at it. We've then gone bigger twice, and both times it was for players we thought were exceptional and they were both from abroad, in Isak and Tonali. I don't think many clubs have bettered us in the transfer market since the new owners came in, and so it's difficult to understand some of the negativity and scepticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Magpie Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Another point to consider, which I have never seen anyone doing, is do any of us know the rules on home grown players etc as demanded by the Euro competitions? Personally I want to be back in Europe next year and I fully expect to be, be a shame if we were refused entry on some arbitrary rule created by some stuffed shirts with a toffee apples up their arse. Yes foreign players look exotic and exciting, but England have their fair share of great players - the only thing that hinders them playing with that ability is currently called Gareth Southgate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) If there's nothing in it financially (bound to be though with the wages) PL ready is better than a risk on someone from overseas, cant really take risks with margins as tight as they are for us anyway, so if that's why they're doing what they're doing I see the logic in it and yet they nailed it with Isak and Bruno Edited June 22 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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