Eddie Howe

[jack j]

The whole phase 2 patter gets right on my tits.

People automatically think we are going to be guaranteed success because of moving through these "phases"

[PauloGeordio]

23 minutes ago, jack j said:

The whole phase 2 patter gets right on my tits.

People automatically think we are going to be guaranteed success because of moving through these "phases"

 

 

[ATB]

Several good comments. I stand on the side that I think the direction the club has taken behind the scenes is exactly the right way forward. I think last season overall was kind of a "failure" and changes are necessary to be made. I think Howe is a great coach (with flaws of course) but think he sometimes seems to see himself bigger than he is. If he doesn't like to focus more on coaching, then it's better for all parties with a chance. I think it's a given that he should be allowed to have opinions about signings etc. (I don't like the arrangement that coaches only get what is served, ala Chelsea) but it should be more advisory than demanding. Also be guided when we need to sell.

 

Now the club really need a heavy signing for everyone to feel better!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 hours ago, Ameritoon said:

Louise Taylor said the same but they've since taken that part out of the article 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/19/eddie-howe-hints-england-manager-interest-with-newcastle-warning

That’s a ridiculous spin on what he said though. As long as I feel supported means I do feel supported now. 

[ATB]

6 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Watched the Geordie Journos on YouTube earlier and they were saying that Howe had a more harder tone at the press conference with the tabloids, compared to the video interviews. 
 

 

Recently found this channel. Really good I think, gives a little more substance to everything.

[jack j]

53 minutes ago, ATB said:

Recently found this channel. Really good I think, gives a little more substance to everything.

Really? Liam Kennedy is a fucking tool..wraiths pal and he knows fuck all

[Danh1]

Now that AS and MG have gone, I don’t think any journalist will be reliable. Probably explains the change of tone for some of them (The Athletic).

[Cronky]

We gotta problem. And just when things were going so well.

 

However you may dress it up, this is a public threat to resign. Eddie is normally very discreet when it comes to keeping things behind closed doors, so this is right out of character. Presumably he's already made the powers that be aware of his concerns privately - if not, they have a right to feel annoyed. 

 

It all seems a bit pointless. It's not going to encourage any prospective players to join us if they get the impression that the Head Coach is liable to change. It also means that Eales and Mitchell will be either walking on eggshells or keen to assert themselves, neither of which will help. Those two have come across as sound people with a genuine regard for Eddie's abilities, so I imagine they'll be a bit taken aback.

 

I think Eddie is used to working within an intimate working environment where he has some considerable influence and access to the decision-makers above him. He joined a bigger club in us, but his close contact with Amanda and Mehrdad, who were running the club from somewhat ill-defined roles, allowed him to exercise the power that he felt he needed. Our structure is now more typical of a major club, and he's feeling very insecure. But it's difficult to know why he hasn't decided to keep quiet and just see how things pan out.

 

Looking at his career, I think he likes to feel that he's on familiar ground, with familiar people. He was very anxious to keep his coaching team with him, when he came here. Excuse the amateur psychology, but there may be insecurities from his early years that have been exposed. People of exceptional ability can be vulnerable like this. It's what drives them.

 

I'm worried, because going public like this is unfair on the people he's working for. 

[gbandit]

Howay man, people need to calm the fuck down. He’s negotiating whilst also being honest. If he goes, it won’t be because of what’s happening at the club, it’ll be because of the England offer. That’s it 

[Miggys First Goal]

Gone right off Eddie now. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jokes 

[80]

12 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Howay man, people need to calm the fuck down. He’s negotiating whilst also being honest. If he goes, it won’t be because of what’s happening at the club, it’ll be because of the England offer. That’s it 

He's pretty much explicitly saying the opposite of that, mind. If he did somehow leave, it sounds plausible he wouldn't take the England job either - if some suits are telling him certain players are mandatory selections for commercial reasons.

[SUPERTOON]

6 hours ago, Dr Jinx said:

I'm just not convinced EH wants to work under a DoF. He has to if he stays but then he does have this other potential amazing opportunity if he chooses not to.. one where he wouldn't have to work under anyone.

 

That's the crux of it. Total freedom or stay and try and manoeuvre several layers of executive dick swinging to try and achieve your goals.

He won’t get another club job then because all clubs work that way now.

[gbandit]

4 minutes ago, 80 said:

He's pretty much explicitly saying the opposite of that, mind. If he did somehow leave, it sounds plausible he wouldn't take the England job either - if some suits are telling him certain players are mandatory selections for commercial reasons.

I don’t think there’s any chance he leaves us for any job other than England. We know we can’t trust a word he says about the England job, saying he didn’t even realise Gareth was gone, Howay. He’s saying all the stuff about wanting control because that’s what he wants in this job. He’ll get enough of what he wants with us to stay, it’s just about whether the England offer is too attractive 

[aussiemag]

Just now, gbandit said:

I don’t think there’s any chance he leaves us for any job other than England. We know we can’t trust a word he says about the England job, saying he didn’t even realise Gareth was gone, Howay. He’s saying all the stuff about wanting control because that’s what he wants in this job. He’ll get enough of what he wants with us to stay, it’s just about whether the England offer is too attractive 

 

Eddie is as calculated as they come and every response to a media question is answered in a way that will bring out the response he desires. He will tell lies and manipulate the media when necessary. He obviously has concerns around the new structure and how his influence will change. I would say he was gob smacked that AS and MG left so suddenly and he feels insecure in his position. He has probably already raised his concerns behind closed doors around what having a sporting director and performance director mean for him and didnt like the response he got. Conveniently for him he is wanted for the England job at the same time, so its is a good negotiating tactic to ensure he still has the control he desires with the new setup. I dont see why he needed these comments to go public, other than he didnt like the answers he was getting from Darren Eales behind closed doors. 

[Cronky]

I don't think this is anything to do with the England job. He likes a fair measure of control, of feeling secure, and one of his main strengths is his ability to work with and improve players. I don't think he is status-driven, so I can't see how it would suit him or why he would want it.

 

I think Eales and Mitchell are out there with the team, so hopefully there's plenty of opportunity to straighten things out.

[The Prophet]

6 hours ago, Dr Jinx said:

I'm just not convinced EH wants to work under a DoF. He has to if he stays but then he does have this other potential amazing opportunity if he chooses not to.. one where he wouldn't have to work under anyone.

 

That's the crux of it. Total freedom or stay and try and manoeuvre several layers of executive dick swinging to try and achieve your goals.

 

He worked under Richard Hughes at Bournemouth, this idea that he wants complete free reign isn't true. 

 

He even said as much interview, it's a collaborative effort.  

 

He obviously wants a certain amount of freedom, but there's nothing there suggesting he wants to be given carte blanche.

[duo]

38 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Howay man, people need to calm the fuck down. He’s negotiating whilst also being honest. If he goes, it won’t be because of what’s happening at the club, it’ll be because of the England offer. That’s it 

I don't see how you have come to that conclusion? He clearly wants to retain some control with regards recruitment.  If PIF refuse to give him that then that'll be the main reason he'll be off.  England job just gives him a great opportunity should he leave.

[gbandit]

1 minute ago, duo said:

I don't see how you have come to that conclusion? He clearly wants to retain some control with regards recruitment.  If PIF refuse to give him that then that'll be the main reason he'll be off.  England job just gives him a great opportunity should he leave.

Of course he does, he’s not going to have no control over recruitment. He’s just asserting his stance 

[The Prophet]

You'll find very few managers about who want no input on recruitment, most will want final say.

[Zero]

I think It’s the appointment of Bunce that looked strange to me, and it might be why Howe acts like that (suspected public media threatening)
 

Mitchell is the sporting director and, most likely, what affects Howe most is the final say on transfer. Just like many has said, all other major clubs would have similar structure. I think Howe knows if he wants to manage top teams in Europe, he has to accept this.
 

Bunce’s position, however, is not something common in other clubs. Although it’s claimed to be solely related to injury management, it is obvious that Bunce has direct influence on the selection of the team. Say like Bruno has played 2 games in 5 days, and from injury prevention point of view, Bunce might suggest Howe NOT to play Bruno in the next game. This won’t be something Howe like to have. And, I don’t know who got the final say on team selection I.E. it’s suggestion, or order?

 

I don’t want the injury crisis to happen again, but Howe might be right to voice out his concerns. The inclusion of Bunce into the structure looks weird to me. 

 

 

Edited July 21 by Zero

[80]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

He worked under Richard Hughes at Bournemouth, this idea that he wants complete free reign isn't true. 

 

He even said as much interview, it's a collaborative effort.  

 

He obviously wants a certain amount of freedom, but there's nothing there suggesting he wants to be given carte blanche.

Regarding Hughes, Howe had already had his feet under the table at Bournemouth for most of a decade, including as Hughes' manager, before he got that job, mind. So I think we can assume Eddie had pretty much designed that job as he wanted it to be.

 

I definitely think he's up for collaboration and 'give and take', which to me is the right approach. There's so much talk about PIF's 'process-driven' approach though that it makes me fear they want a hard delineation of duties, with responsibility for recruitment being taken away from the 'coach'.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

I think It’s the appointment of Bunce that looked strange to me, and it might be why Howe acts like that (suspected public media threatening)
 

Mitchell is the sporting director and, most likely, what affects Howe most is the final say on transfer. Just like many has said, all other major clubs would have similar structure. I think Howe knows if he wants to manage top teams in Europe, he has to accept this.
 

Bunce’s position, however, is not something common in other clubs. Although it’s claimed to be solely related to injury management, it is obvious that Bunce has direct influence on the selection of the team. Say like Bruno has played 2 games in 5 days, and from injury prevention point of view, Bunce might suggest Howe NOT to play Bruno in the next game. This won’t be something Howe like to have. And, I don’t know who got the final say on team selection I.E. it’s suggestion, or order?

 

I don’t want the injury crisis to happen again, but Howe might be right to voice out his concerns. The inclusion of Bunce into the structure looks weirded to me. 

 

Don't quire a few clubs have performance directors?

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Well I’m as a big a fan of what Eddie has achieved here s anyone, but if having a DOF is a problem for him I wonder where he fancies getting a job? Are there any other clubs challenging for European places in the PL without a DOF? Are there many attractive European clubs that don’t operate with a DOF?

 

Basically he needs to learn to work within this kind of system or reappraise the size of club he want to work at.

 

By all means negotiate to have a say, but the days of one guy calling all the shots have been dead at the top level of football for well over a decade now

[Coffee_Johnny]

56 minutes ago, Cronky said:

We gotta problem. And just when things were going so well.

 

However you may dress it up, this is a public threat to resign. Eddie is normally very discreet when it comes to keeping things behind closed doors, so this is right out of character. Presumably he's already made the powers that be aware of his concerns privately - if not, they have a right to feel annoyed. 

 

It all seems a bit pointless. It's not going to encourage any prospective players to join us if they get the impression that the Head Coach is liable to change. It also means that Eales and Mitchell will be either walking on eggshells or keen to assert themselves, neither of which will help. Those two have come across as sound people with a genuine regard for Eddie's abilities, so I imagine they'll be a bit taken aback.

 

I think Eddie is used to working within an intimate working environment where he has some considerable influence and access to the decision-makers above him. He joined a bigger club in us, but his close contact with Amanda and Mehrdad, who were running the club from somewhat ill-defined roles, allowed him to exercise the power that he felt he needed. Our structure is now more typical of a major club, and he's feeling very insecure. But it's difficult to know why he hasn't decided to keep quiet and just see how things pan out.

 

Looking at his career, I think he likes to feel that he's on familiar ground, with familiar people. He was very anxious to keep his coaching team with him, when he came here. Excuse the amateur psychology, but there may be insecurities from his early years that have been exposed. People of exceptional ability can be vulnerable like this. It's what drives them.

 

I'm worried, because going public like this is unfair on the people he's working for. 

Did he ask for the interview? Or was he just answering questions in a standard requested interview/PR piece? If latter then there is nothing to see here. 

[80]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

Don't quire a few clubs have performance directors?

I think so, but as with sporting directors and such, job titles can be quite misleading in terms of the breadth and strength of their responsibilities. So you have to look at each one individually.