Eddie Howe

[huss9]

36 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

As I said at the time (from usual sources… as close as you can get to 100% fact), and has been reiterated to me a few times since, the Gordon stuff about his “head being turned” is absolute nonsense. There was an approach from Liverpool a few weeks before the PSR deadline. It was rejected straight away. There was another approach a few days before deadline which was also rejected. Anthony is fine and has no issues with NUFC at all. Loves it here and wants to progress with us.

 

And as far as I’ve been told, that “medical booked” story is completely fabricated too.

this is the second you've had to post something like this, yet it gets completely ignored.

[80]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I never thought it was either/or.  I reckon Gordon is happy here - he’s at an ambitious club where the support clearly loves him.  And at the same time, his boyhood club - one which is bigger and more successful - would be interested in buying him for likely a hefty wage rise and a better chance of winning trophies might just have appealed to him.

 

His being interested in a potential move doesn’t mean he’s unhappy at NUFC

All that plus his current club would have seemed happy 'enough' to sell him given their circumstances. So morally he was entitled to try and look on the bright side of things if proposals were being put to him.

 

All caveats about the truth of everything apply, of course...

 

 

Edited July 22 by 80

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, 80 said:

All that plus his current club seemed happy 'enough' to sell him given their circumstances. So morally he was entitled to try and look on the bright side of things if proposals were being put to him.

 

All caveats about the truth of everything apply, of course...

Yep.  It would also be naive to think that just because Liverpool's approach was rejected out of hand by the club, that feelers weren't put out by Liverpool.

 

Gordon strikes me as a young man with his head firmly screwed on - I doubt that any of this will have an impact on his performances.  Big clubs are going to be interested in our best players; big clubs do buy and sell from each other, too.  

[brummie]

The phrase "head is turned" is so fucking patronising.

[Ben]

7 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

I have no idea what your point is here

 

It was quite simple really, I was pointing out that Howe said is was very difficult keeping to the PSR rules within the deadline and they had to make hard decisions 

[The College Dropout]

Pure conjecture again but if Howe is upset about potential sales - he needs to be fully debriefed on the clubs PSR position.   The end of June was a mess. We were desperate. 

[Guest]

Should just tell him no new signings at all and there'll be no issues next summer.

 

Until the rules change, we're always going to be pushing the limits closely if we're to keep signing the players we need to in order to compete. Just one of those things and I'm sure he's intelligent enough to realise that.

 

 

Edited July 23 by Optimistic Nut

[Nucasol]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Pure conjecture again but if Howe is upset about potential sales - he needs to be fully debriefed on the clubs PSR position.   The end of June was a mess. We were desperate. 

There also needs to be better understanding of the need for sales. We’d sold no one bar Maxi and spent a lot. Eddie “would love to keep” or “doesn’t want to lose” a number of players but the cold hard reality is players’ cycles come to an end and need to be moved on for reinvestment and reinforcements.

We’ve been historically terrible at shifting squad players / non-Purples and we need to be better at this. I hate the wheeler-dealer mentality but we’ll need to show some to bridge the gap. Villa appear to be doing a semi-reasonable effort of this on the face of it.

[80]

17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Pure conjecture again but if Howe is upset about potential sales - he needs to be fully debriefed on the clubs PSR position.   The end of June was a mess. We were desperate. 

Yeah. I've been working on the assumption a) that he's pretty much fully in the loop on our financial/PSR situation, and b) that he was just playing cute when in the past he's claimed not to understand all the ins and outs of how it works. But I guess it's possible that one or both of those isn't true - more likely the former.

 

As I understand it, strictly speaking we don't now need to sell anyone and have quite a lot of headroom, but it seems very shortsighted to not still be interested in making sales to strengthen our future position.

[Guest]

Only thing we could have done differently is sell them a few weeks earlier so less panic, or sold a big-hitter.

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[Cf]

We all know that Eddie Howe lies his face off every time he speaks to the media yeah?

 

He knows exactly how PSR works. 

 

"I'd love to keep" means "get them out of my sight" and "I'm disappointed to have lost" means "thank fuck they're not my problem anymore". 

 

He knows the story and the squad rebuild we need and he has a history of ruthlessly changing players. He'll be fully versed and involved with what's happening. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 minutes ago, Cf said:

We all know that Eddie Howe lies his face off every time he speaks to the media yeah?

 

He knows exactly how PSR works. 

 

"I'd love to keep" means "get them out of my sight" and "I'm disappointed to have lost" means "thank fuck they're not my problem anymore". 

 

He knows the story and the squad rebuild we need and he has a history of ruthlessly changing players. He'll be fully versed and involved with what's happening. 

Personally, I don’t see him as being a callous duplicitous liar (unsurprisingly). He understands the need to upgrade and the current financial context but what you get from him is cards close to chest ‘need to know’ media stuff and a genuine warmth and affection for the young people who have played for him. 

[Zero]

56 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Pure conjecture again but if Howe is upset about potential sales - he needs to be fully debriefed on the clubs PSR position.   The end of June was a mess. We were desperate. 

 

We decided not to sell Big Jol, and instead extended his contract, because of Howe. Ashworths original plan was to sell at Jan to meet the PSR requirement. 
 

Howe got no right to be upset for selling Anderson imo.

[Cf]

13 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Personally, I don’t see him as being a callous duplicitous liar (unsurprisingly). He understands the need to upgrade and the current financial context but what you get from him is cards close to chest ‘need to know’ media stuff and a genuine warmth and affection for the young people who have played for him. 

 

I never said he was a callous duplicitous liar, just that he lies through his teeth to the media

 

[The College Dropout]

Howe lies to the press regularly. 
 

 

It’s well known in FPL circles that you can’t take a Howe press conference on face value regarding fitness and selection.  Other times he’ll just give nothing of value away. He’s among the worst in the division for it. 

[Dr Jinx]

39 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

We decided not to sell Big Jol, and instead extended his contract, because of Howe. Ashworths original plan was to sell at Jan to meet the PSR requirement. 
 

Howe got no right to be upset for selling Anderson imo.

No I think they expected someone to trigger Bruno’s release fee. Hence the cut off date.

 

Big Joe is harder to replace in some respects due to him being an absolute beast of a man.

 

Bruno can only run the show when those other ingredients are beside him.

[Zero]

13 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

No I think they expected someone to trigger Bruno’s release fee. Hence the cut off date.

 

Big Joe is harder to replace in some respects due to him being an absolute beast of a man.

 

Bruno can only run the show when those other ingredients are beside him.

 

Ashworths original plan was not to give Joe a new contract and cash in in Jan. Have that plan materialised, we won’t need to make further sale in June no matter Bruno release clause was triggered or not. We don’t need to gamble our luck in June and hence make urgent sales at deadline.

 

I mean it’s fine to scrap the sales plan in favour of Howe. But the consequence, in hindsight, was the sales of Minteh and Anderson. It’s really fine because under the current PSR we cannot keep all of them. BUT, Howe cannot blame the club for this. The club altered the plan because of him. Or should the club keep Joe, Bruno and Anderson and then get the rumoured 10 points penalty?
 

 

 

 

Edited July 23 by Zero

[Wallace]

I think the injuries in January may also have had an impact on the PSR situation.  Some of those we might have sold were injured and others were needed due to the lack of cover.

 

I guess they were hoping that there would be interest in other players before having to sell Anderson and Minteh but the players most would be happy to see leave probably won’t go until other club’s preferred options are no longer available.  They are the players that move in the last week of the season.

[Tiresias]

Howe could be frustrated with the commercial side not getting the revenue up quick enough, and Howe is entitled to be upset we had to sell for PSR, i think we all are a bit upset at that but yeah not sure what else the club could do at that point. 

 

It is worth pointing out that if true that the plan was selling Joelinton Howe is absolutely in the right, we will need to sell a star at some point but don't understand the rush to. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

48 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

I never said he was a callous duplicitous liar, just that he lies through his teeth to the media

 

 

My summary does sound a bit harsh, and I didn’t imagine you did mean that (in such stark terms). But you did say that he say he lies through his teeth, says the opposite of what he really means, and implied he had no consideration for his outgoing players. 🤷‍♂️ 

[The Prophet]

Some snippets from Douglas' latest article:

 

"The first priority – which has been initially addressed in the last couple of days – is surely now to make sure everyone is on the same page after the appointment of Paul Mitchell and James Bunce to key roles in the football operation."

 

...

 

"And that is the bigger issue at play here. How happy were those in positions of real influence at Newcastle at how the 2023-4 season went?

 

A 7th place finish was about par for them but there was disappointment at the way the club went out of all three knockout competitions, where they were sabotaged by injuries. Poor recruitment and miscalculations in previous transfer windows left them hamstrung."

 

...

 

"Enter Mitchell, who seemed personable and clued up when he chatted to journalists in Germany. His CV is impressive and he brings very different skills than Ashworth did. He is a contacts man – “not necessarily a 10-year appointment,” according to one source i spoke to last week – and has been brought in offer fresh insight and expertise in recruitment."

 

...

 

"Ultimately the club will live or die this season on their recruitment. i understands there is a decent transfer budget to bring in “quality over quantity” – the current thinking that two or three players who can immediately challenge for the first team need to come in.:

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Some snippets from Douglas' latest article:

 

"The first priority – which has been initially addressed in the last couple of days – is surely now to make sure everyone is on the same page after the appointment of Paul Mitchell and James Bunce to key roles in the football operation."

 

...

 

"And that is the bigger issue at play here. How happy were those in positions of real influence at Newcastle at how the 2023-4 season went?

 

A 7th place finish was about par for them but there was disappointment at the way the club went out of all three knockout competitions, where they were sabotaged by injuries. Poor recruitment and miscalculations in previous transfer windows left them hamstrung."

 

...

 

"Enter Mitchell, who seemed personable and clued up when he chatted to journalists in Germany. His CV is impressive and he brings very different skills than Ashworth did. He is a contacts man – “not necessarily a 10-year appointment,” according to one source i spoke to last week – and has been brought in offer fresh insight and expertise in recruitment."

 

...

 

"Ultimately the club will live or die this season on their recruitment. i understands there is a decent transfer budget to bring in “quality over quantity” – the current thinking that two or three players who can immediately challenge for the first team need to come in.:

 

 

Interesting those in the club feel we had a poor window last summer. Quite a split on here over that.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Interesting those in the club feel we had a poor window last summer. Quite a split on here over that.

 

It says transfer windows as a collective, so perhaps it's not recruiting in certain positions over a certain number of windows.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

It says transfer windows as a collective, so perhaps it's not recruiting in certain positions over a certain number of windows.

Possibly, only RW I can think of though that we haven’t directly strengthened. 

[The College Dropout]

Lines up with my assumptions. 
 

If we finished 4th or 5th. Would we have seen so many changes? If our signings made a bigger impact would we have got a transfer guy to replace Ashworth (not a transfer guy)?  Did the rush to sell players at the last worry some people at PIF? 
 

While I think we signed good to great players last summer.  The window didn’t make enough sense and wasn’t joined up. In time it will prove its value imo.