Eddie Howe

[et tu brute]

 

[Andy]

6 minutes ago, astraguy said:

what a post by @thelittlemans

 

While I agree with a lot of the sentiment, the comment about West Ham fans is bollocks. Moyes was clearly going stale there, and replacing him with a manager who hasn't done great so far doesn't disprove that. 

 

Most managers eventually run their course at a club. I'm not saying Howe has or hasn't, it's simply a fact that it usually happens sooner or later. 

[Superior Acuña]

7 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

While I agree with a lot of the sentiment, the comment about West Ham fans is bollocks. Moyes was clearly going stale there, and replacing him with a manager who hasn't done great so far doesn't disprove that. 

 

Most managers eventually run their course at a club. I'm not saying Howe has or hasn't, it's simply a fact that it usually happens sooner or later. 

Yes.  E.g. we got worse after Pardew left, doesn't mean we were wrong to want him out.

[Displayname]

18 minutes ago, astraguy said:

what a post by @thelittlemans

Depends on how you look at it i guess.

 

Yes we got robbed by the penalty decision, but we also got massively outplayed in 5 of the 6 games(although we defended well).

 

Yes we got seventh, but we also only won 4 more games than we lost. And ALOT of the performances were just truly awful. 

 

Yes we had a couple of good games before these last 2 games, but before that we had a run of us being very poor in nearly every single one. 

 

We could have been third (temporarily), but we sure as shit didnt deserve to win today. The fact is that we are 10th and probably have gotten more points than we should have.

 

Now i dont think most of us that are negative believe that Howe should be sacked asap, we just think that if things doesnt improve soonish enough that the writing is on the wall.

 

[gjohnson]

21 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Highlights a manager using a player out of position moreso than it does anything about the squad building. Gordon was identified as a backup CF when he signed anyway. 

Well that's on the manager for not recognising that the 'back up' isn't up to the role. That is where Osula should be coming in..unless he genuinely was just a signing for signings sake. 

 

Even as a project player he's not going to be up to playing if he never gets any meaningful time and 15m is a lot to spend on a seat warmer in the dugout. Almost as stupid as the 70m (last i heard) spent on Vlachidmiousosos

[bobbydazzla]

‘If you want the rainbow, you got to put up with the rain'.
 

Do you know which ‘philosopher’ said that?

 

Dolly Parton.

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Well that's on the manager for not recognising that the 'back up' isn't up to the role. That is where Osula should be coming in..unless he genuinely was just a signing for signings sake. 

 

Even as a project player he's not going to be up to playing if he never gets any meaningful time and 15m is a lot to spend on a seat warmer in the dugout. Almost as stupid as the 70m (last i heard) spent on Vlachidmiousosos

 

If you want to argue that Osula should be at CF ahead of a square peg, I wouldn't argue, but if you're arguing that a lack of playtime is stunting his development, then Lewis Hall is an incredibly recent counter-argument to that. Or has this ropey start to the season eradicated Howe's track record for developing players as well? 

[JEToon]

Osula.

 

I know because of PSR some think we need to buy players for 4 million etc but that’s a bit silly.

 

He was 15 million, he’s cheap relative to the league he’s a project player signed to be developed it’s not that deep 

 

Either embrace a development model or don’t, he’s what it’s going to look like. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by JEToon

[TheBrownBottle]

44 minutes ago, astraguy said:

what a post by @thelittlemans

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

[madras]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

Not allowed to say that man.

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

but for a penalty scored and a moment of daftness today we’d be joint third. 

Have we been great, no, not really. I just can’t get this world on fire thing quite yet personally 

 

 

 

I get that but we’re not. But for a Man City win last season we’d be in Europe. But for a dodgy decision in the CL we might have gone through. There are a million ifs, buts and maybe.

The fact is we’re crap at the moment and we’re getting what we deserve. 

He’s been hung out to dry with the lack of signings but we still have a squad capable of doing more than it’s doing now.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, madras said:

Not allowed to say that man.

Shit, did I write that rather than think it? 😀

 

Daft isn’t it?  The number of dafties in our support who rewrite the history of Robson at the club.  They’d get along famously with the knackers on RTG

[et tu brute]

12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

Of course it was, there is some right bollocks being spouted on here. The standard of performance and results are nowhere near good enough. It's up to the manager to sort it out, something he does not seem capable of doing presently. 0 shots against the team who were second bottom in the league is not acceptable. This is not a one off, I was fully expecting a response after Monday night, but that today was beyond unacceptable and the manager's comments after the game were quite alarming 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by et tu brute

[JEToon]

7 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I get that but we’re not. But for a Man City win last season we’d be in Europe. But for a dodgy decision in the CL we might have gone through. There are a million ifs, buts and maybe.

The fact is we’re crap at the moment and we’re getting what we deserve. 

He’s been hung out to dry with the lack of signings but we still have a squad capable of doing more than it’s doing now.

What we deserve is still, to go back to it, in the race for Europe and a Cup.

 

“Crap” is hyperbole, but that’s what people feel makes a point stronger online. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by JEToon

[Alberto2005]

I really like Eddie, I want him to be the first manager to win a trophy with us.

 

At the same time I'm starting to have some doubts about him for the first time.

 

Maybe that's a little greedy, as we aren't doing too bad plus 4th and 7th placed finishes are impressive tbf.

 

My concern is he seems very stubborn to one way of playing, and that makes me wonder if there's better out there.

[TheBrownBottle]

14 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Of course it was, there is some right bollocks being spouted on here. The standard of performance and results are nowhere near good enough. It's up to the manager to sort it out, something he does not seem capable of doing presently. 0 shots against the team who were second bottom in the league is not acceptable. This is not a one off, I was fully expecting a response after Monday night, but that today was beyond unacceptable and the manager's comments after the game were quite alarming 

 

 

 

I didn’t like Howe’s comments either.  I know he isn’t going to kick his players under the bus, but I don’t think they could’ve spat their dummies out if he criticised the collective performance.  If he genuinely thinks that performance was decent then we’ve got big problems.

 

I still think it’s too soon to talk about sacking him, but I wouldn’t exactly be up in arms if he was.  

[et tu brute]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I didn’t like Howe’s comments either.  I know he isn’t going to kick his players under the bus, but I don’t think they could’ve spat their dummies out if he criticised the collective performance.  If he genuinely thinks that performance was decent then we’ve got big problems.

 

I still think it’s too soon to talk about sacking him, but I wouldn’t exactly be up in arms if he was.  

I'm of the opinion it will be the owners who ultimately decide and I'm quite happy to accept that. Be interesting, as I think they will be definitely be looking for European football come the end of the season. Do they think Howe can bring that? If not do they want to change it before it becomes too late? 

[andyc35i]

As much as I love the guy, you always got the sense that he was going to end up being a transitional manager. The guy that brings stability, changes our fortunes and gets us in the top half of the league. I think the owners would love him to be the man that brings success, but I can’t see him staying long term with how we’ve been playing more recently and our inability to evolve as a team 

[NEEJ]

34 minutes ago, madras said:

Not allowed to say that man.

Give owa. You absolutely are allowed to say that here.

[KaKa]

The thing giving me the greatest concern is the team setup and who will be playing where going forward.

 

This currently looks all over the place. A longer term view needs to be taken with the decisions being made currently.

 

If the plan is to bring in a right winger for the first team, then decide who is going to be on the left wing for the first team long term from Gordon or Barnes and play them on the left, and then stick the other on the right as a temporary fix.

 

Central midfield then needs to be looked at in order to figure out how best to get Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali working together tactically. Willock has shown that he is not going to be consistent or reliable enough to feature in the first team now.

 

The indecision and confusion in the front three and midfield three is absolutely maddening. We need a consistent team that is being drilled to play together and build some rhythm and chemistry.

 

Shaky results and performances are one thing, but it's the lack of direction for me really. If there was a clear team and direction we were working towards, it wouldn't be anywhere near as worrying, and you'd at least feel things would pick up soon.

 

At the moment it just feels chaotic, and it's going to be very difficult to turn things around this way.

[Holmesy]

17 minutes ago, JEToon said:

What we deserve is still, to go back to it, in the race for Europe and a Cup.

 

“Crap” is hyperbole, but that’s what people feel makes a point stronger online. 

 

 

 

Is 10th place really considered ‘in the race for Europe’? 
By that token, Bournemouth are also

in the race for Europe because they’re mid-table too?

I’m all for a bit of optimism but that’s reaching a bit.
 

[Whitley mag]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

The thing giving me the greatest concern is the team setup and who will be playing where going forward.

 

This currently looks all over the place. A longer term view needs to be taken with the decisions being made currently.

 

If the plan is to bring in a right winger for the first team, then decide who is going to be on the left wing for the first team long term from Gordon or Barnes and play them on the left, and then stick the other on the right as a temporary fix.

 

Central midfield then needs to be looked at in order to figure out how best to get Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali working together tactically. Willock has shown that he is not going to be consistent or reliable enough to feature in the first team now.

 

The indecision and confusion in the front three and midfield three is absolutely maddening. We need a consistent team that is being drilled to play together and build some rhythm and chemistry.

 

Shaky results and performances are one thing, but it's the lack of direction for me really. If there was a clear team and direction we were working towards, it wouldn't be anywhere near as worrying, and you'd at least feel things would pick up soon.

 

At the moment it just feels chaotic, and it's going to be very difficult to turn things around this way.

We simply don’t have any technicians in the team, the passing even from Bruno is so sloppy. Not sure what the answer is with the personnel, but ultimately Howe has built a team based on power and pace and left us looking way short offensively.

[Disco]

He’s been dealt an extremely poor hand this season but it’s absolutely right to ask questions why our attacking play has gone backwards like it has. 

[Lush Vlad]

50 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

I really like Eddie, I want him to be the first manager to win a trophy with us.

 

At the same time I'm starting to have some doubts about him for the first time.

 

Maybe that's a little greedy, as we aren't doing too bad plus 4th and 7th placed finishes are impressive tbf.

 

My concern is he seems very stubborn to one way of playing, and that makes me wonder if there's better out there.

It actually hurts me to say it. But I’m now similar to this. 
 

[Scotty66]

Remember when we were down 0-2 to Brentford and he changed to a 4-2-3-1 for that second half and we turned it around quite convincingly.

We've hardly ever seen that system again have we? 

Thought that might be his reliable plan B but it doesn't seem like it. We went 4-4-2 against West Ham in the end so maybe he doesn't like it anymore.

 

I do think teams are finding it easy to nullify us though. We set out the same every week and don't really give the opposition manager problems formation wise.

 

Just mark Gordon,Isak and Bruno out of the game/ give them no space and / or sit deep,compact and force us out wide and we are heavily limited in what we can do.

 

We can smash teams that come at us leaving space in the middle and allowing us to get in behind. That happened a lot during our Champions League qualifying season, but hardly anyone allows that now and I think the results reflect that.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Scotty66