Eddie Howe

[JEToon]

29 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Is 10th place really considered ‘in the race for Europe’? 
By that token, Bournemouth are also

in the race for Europe because they’re mid-table too?

I’m all for a bit of optimism but that’s reaching a bit.
 

It is in the context of how the league season is playing out 

We have the same points as Villa and Spurs for fuck sake

 

its not optimistic it’s reality, had we won today we’d have been 2 points off third 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by JEToon

[Alberto2005]

14 minutes ago, Scotty66 said:

Remember when we were down 0-2 to Brentford and he changed to a 4-2-3-1 for that second half and we turned it around quite convincingly.

We've hardly ever seen that system again have we? 

Thought that might be his reliable plan B but it doesn't seem like it. We went 4-4-2 against West Ham in the end so maybe he doesn't like it anymore.

 

I do think teams are finding it easy to nullify us though. We set out the same every week and don't really give the opposition manager problems formation wise.

 

Just mark Gordon,Isak and Bruno out of the game/ give them no space and / or sit deep,compact and force us out wide and we are heavily limited in what we can do.

 

We can smash teams that come at us leaving space in the middle and allowing us to get in behind. That happened a lot during our Champions League qualifying season, but hardly anyone allows that now and I think the results reflect that.

 

 

 

Which was the Brentford game?

[Holmesy]

14 minutes ago, JEToon said:

It is in the context of how the league season is playing out 

We have the same points as Villa and Spurs for fuck sake

 

its not optimistic it’s reality, had we won today we’d have been 2 points off third 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You keep saying this ‘had we won’ stuff. Had we beaten West Ham, Palace, Fulham, City and Everton we’d be comfortably in the top 4.

 

But we didn’t, which is why we’re 10th.

 

We are currently dropping points to teams we should on-paper be beating, and we look clueless in the process. 
Saying we’re only x points off x is only relevant if the second x is realistically achievable, which it isn’t if you keep dropping points when you shouldn’t. It’s a snapshot view of a more complex, moving situation. 
The reality is that if Man City win we’ll be 7 points off third. And all of the teams above us seem far more capable than us at winning games. 

[JEToon]

18 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

You keep saying this ‘had we won’ stuff. Had we beaten West Ham, Palace, Fulham, City and Everton we’d be comfortably in the top 4.

 

But we didn’t, which is why we’re 10th.

 

We are currently dropping points to teams we should on-paper be beating, and we look clueless in the process. 
Saying we’re only x points off x is only relevant if the second x is realistically achievable, which it isn’t if you keep dropping points when you shouldn’t. It’s a snapshot view of a more complex, moving situation. 
The reality is that if Man City win we’ll be 7 points off third. And all of the teams above us seem far more capable than us at winning games. 

OK  

 

we currently, even with what we have won, sit 3 points off a European place.

“10th” means fuck all without context of the league,  it’s tedious to keep saying “10th”  when Spurs and Villa are “8th” and “9th” 

The teams above us for the most part haven’t show they are “far more capable”  hence why the league is so close or they’d have left pishy old us in the dust. Instead they also drop points to teams they shouldn’t as this league is marginal as fuck across about 14 teams. 

 

its gate keeping projection pish - other teams might improve? but we just can’t possibly do that, it’s so weird to think like that, but you keep hoping for the worst. 
 

until we actually are shite can you stop parenting we are, it’s strange as fuck to do that. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by JEToon

[toon25]

5 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

I’m not even among those saying I want him gone. I just want us to be better than 0 shots on target (again) and I think his limitations are a big reason we’re going backwards. Gutted to lose you as a follower. 

 

I'm sure you would be, since there are few others here that pay attention to the utter shite you trot out. Almost like there's nee point in rocking up at all.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by toon25

[JEToon]

See when Eddie is actually doing “shite”

 

you won’t need online assessment and polls - watching us will tell you 

we are fortunate - our match going fans are well educate and have walked a lot of shite covered hills they know what “bad” actually looks like - we aren’t there yet, the support and watching us will tell you when we are. You don’t need to project it, what will actually happen will play out without imposing it on it 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by JEToon

[Kanj]

It’s ok, we’ll figure it out. 

[Izakaya]

-Isak too isolated 
-Wilson still here despite a horrendous injury record 
-$15m on osula and doesn't use him 
-The whole Gordon/Barnes LW/RW thing 
-No actual decent RW at the club for 3 windows
-Bruno and Tonali still being unable to play together 
-Longstaff over Tonali 
-Bruno bang average 
-Gordon bang average 
-Tonali on the bench 
-Trippier self immolating
-Rigid 433 when it's clearly not working 
-60 Min subs on the dot

 

Reckon we sort all that out by Xmas? I don't. 

[Palestoon]

We have no identity. 

 

Howes first season we were defensively resolute and grinding out results.

 

Next season when we finished 4th we were pressing monsters.

 

Since then we've lost our way. Last season you can excuse because of the injuries/schedule. 

 

This season we look to have lost that intensity. It seems to be for multiple reasons. To avoid an injury crisis like last season. To protect our defensive line that got torched last season too often. and finally because teams have figured out that if they sit back, play long balls over the top, they nullify our press, and force us to have to build attacks from the back which we can't do consistently. Our team is built to score off quick press, quick transitions and counters. Teams have caught on and are forcing us to break them down... which we aren't built to do. What are the ways to break teams down who sit back?

 

Crafty #10 to play in tight spaces? No. flat midfield means no one behind Isak with ability to unlock a block.

 

Tricky wingers who can create space one on one? No. Gordon/Barnes/Joelinton are players who need space to get the best out of them. None are good enough dribblers to win one on one consistently on the wing.

 

Whip balls into the box to create chaos? No. Isak is not strong enough in the air to trouble most premier league CBs consistently.

 

Thus you're left with the current state of our attack. Eddie needs to try something different tactically. I fear it's going to be difficult to change as a team drastically without new signings.

 

 

 

 

[Erikse]

I think average points is a better way to judge. Right now we are on course for 8th - 10th in terms of average (55 pts). However 5 out of our next 7 games looks kind of tough on paper, but that also depends on the state of Villa. Brentford away after Liverpool isn't looking like an easy one at the moment, they are scoring goals for fun.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Erikse

[Zero]

No matter how you think he is performing reasonably or badly, no matter how close we are from 3rd / 6th, it’s kinda guaranteed that he will be sacked if we finish another season without Euro competition. No excuse.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Zero