AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: A midfielder was desperately needed, not sure it was Tonali costing 55 million mind. Aware a lot of hindsight in that, but when you are up against PSR it may have been more prudent to get a cheaper option. I mean, it’s always better to sign a cheaper better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: But you acknowledge we’ve gone backwards since spending a lot of money from that summer onwards? Nope. I believe our 4th season was Leicester’s league winning season. Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs returned to their norm. Aston Villa capitalised on fixture free season with early domestic cup failures. We were the next best team without going backwards. The balance of the team you could argue wasn’t as good with us not looking as defensively solid. We did lose our two big defensive signings in Botman and Trippier that season. Tino did well but Hall has shown this is the first full season he’s been ready for. 7th was a great achievement and we probably deserved 6th TBH. Edited December 7 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Then they are dickheads. We have the 7th/8th biggest spend on squad cost and wages. That’s where we should finish. Honestly, that's all well and good, but we haven't even made the best use of the talent we have available to us right now. If we were doing that and coming up short then fair enough. The confusion of how to integrate Tonali, and how best to utilise Barnes and Gordon to overcome the issues on the right has been a disaster. There are teams with less costs that are performing better than us right now and are on track to finish ahead of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I mean, it’s always better to sign a cheaper better player. Yeah of course, im more saying when we don’t have that much to spend we need to spend it more wisely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 People would criticise the Shearer signing these days man "Should of signed a gerlie, man" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 The regression is crazy only masked by a few teams being just as inconsistent. Bad bad bad summer and the Howe comments about it being very hard to improve what we have is starting to bite him in the arse as nearly the full team is here other than botman and we look shit. So disappointed with the lads and their effort and application and on the manager for doubling down and hoping something will click its not working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: I find the defence of it weird tbh. I think it’s clear it was the wrong signing given the needs of the team and our PSR issues. Agreed. He’s a good player no doubt. But he was the wrong age, position, fee, wages. Even his style of play doesn’t suit the team. Our transfer approach was a bit ‘kid in a sweets shop’ getting players that were available rather than what we needed. And getting carried away and overspending. That has some successes - Isak, Hall, Tino - we only get them due to excitement and opportunity. At least their age profile and position was a priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Well we need both. Maddison paired with Bruno and Longstaff would be suicide. We signed one of the highest rated young midfielders in Europe, it was a great signing. The annoyance is that the betting thing happened and he couldn’t establish himself straight away. This is an extremely optimistic perspective that was and is not unanimous. Milan opinion is that Reijnders was an upgrade. I did not, and do not, like the transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: Honestly, that's all well and good, but we haven't even made the best use of the talent we have available to us right now. If we were doing that and coming up short then fair enough. The confusion of how to integrate Tonali, and how best to utilise Barnes and Gordon to overcome the issues on the right has been a disaster. There are teams with less costs that are performing better than us right now and are on track to finish ahead of us. Agreed but their leadership has been better than ours for the last 2 years. Most of them have built better profiled squads and the atmosphere around their clubs are better. Brighton have so many RWs that the one on loan at Leicester would probably start for us. You have a squad. Some players won’t be maximised. Slot is doing better than Klopp with the same squad. Was Klopp doing a bad job? I don’t think Howe is getting every decision right. Didn’t understand why Tonali didn’t start. I think the deficiencies in the atmosphere and the squad is highlighting his own deficiencies. Since we’ve started shipping goals we’ve not been able to stop that or when we have, not been able to score. For loads of spells I don’t think we look a well coached team. But I don’t think Howe is the biggest problem. And if he had a balanced squad - I think he would do better. Uktimateky I think he’ll carry the can eventually and pay for it with his job. Mitchell will hope that bides him some time to get a better squad together and that we can spend more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Tonali signing was a marquee statement. Way too much money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Their leadership has been ace. Im more concerned about our leadership than Eddie Howe (who is not doing a stellar job. Don’t think he’s doing a bad job given the circumstances). Leadership has fumbled the squad and the finances. Sometimes indulging Eddie when they shouldn’t have. When you say you are concerned, what is the point of that? If you don't like a player, you replace that player. If you don't like a manager, you replace that manager. I suppose if you don't like the leadership then...you guess where this is going. Who would you want instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Where's the post-match presser. FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Ultimately football is about moments and this season we’ve been on the wrong side of them. 22/23 we were on the right side of most. 23/24 it felt an even split at best. 24/25 we aren’t getting the rub of the green it feels. NONE of them are anything to do with EH. The owners. PM. The transfer strategy. Injuries and so on and so on. This week alone we hang on against Palace, Gordon slots his 1v1 and Isak rounds the keeper and puts us 1-2 ahead. You could be talking at a great week and 9 points instead of 2. This is the story of this season. Teams have them. The fundamentals however don’t need to be ripped up because they didn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Ultimately football is about moments and this season we’ve been on the wrong side of them. 22/23 we were on the right side of most. 23/24 it felt an even split at best. 24/25 we aren’t getting the rub of the green it feels. NONE of them are anything to do with EH. The owners. PM. The transfer strategy. Injuries and so on and so on. This week alone we hang on against Palace, Gordon slots his 1v1 and Isak rounds the keeper and puts us 1-2 ahead. You could be talking at a great week and 9 points instead of 2. This is the story of this season. Teams have them. The fundamentals however don’t need to be ripped up because they didn’t. The run of the green excuse is poor imo. We are lucky to have the amount of points we have imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Agreed but their leadership has been better than ours for the last 2 years. Most of them have built better profiled squads and the atmosphere around their clubs are better. Brighton have so many RWs that the one on loan at Leicester would probably start for us. You have a squad. Some players won’t be maximised. Slot is doing better than Klopp with the same squad. Was Klopp doing a bad job? I don’t think Howe is getting every decision right. Didn’t understand why Tonali didn’t start. I think the deficiencies in the atmosphere and the squad is highlighting his own deficiencies. Since we’ve started shipping goals we’ve not been able to stop that or when we have, not been able to score. For loads of spells I don’t think we look a well coached team. But I don’t think Howe is the biggest problem. And if he had a balanced squad - I think he would do better. Uktimateky I think he’ll carry the can eventually and pay for it with his job. Mitchell will hope that bides him some time to get a better squad together and that we can spend more. You keep trying to put most of this on the owners (now there's a surprise). At the end of the day that squad of players is more than good enough to get more than 3 points against Bournemouth, Everton, Brighton, West Ham, Palace, Fulham and Brentford Edited December 7 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 47 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Squad cost is still 7th/8th. I'm not sure we are finishing 7th/8th though, that's the problem. A month ago I would have thought that finishing in those positions was a pessimistic take, now I watch us being outplayed by Fulhams and Brentfords and I'm not convinced we are significantly better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 3 minutes ago, LFEE said: Ultimately football is about moments and this season we’ve been on the wrong side of them. 22/23 we were on the right side of most. 23/24 it felt an even split at best. 24/25 we aren’t getting the rub of the green it feels. NONE of them are anything to do with EH. The owners. PM. The transfer strategy. Injuries and so on and so on. This week alone we hang on against Palace, Gordon slots his 1v1 and Isak rounds the keeper and puts us 1-2 ahead. You could be talking at a great week and 9 points instead of 2. This is the story of this season. Teams have them. The fundamentals however don’t need to be ripped up because they didn’t. We had a bunch of moments go for us in the first handful of games like, when we were awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Everything is shit. Burn the club to the ground tbh. Owned by the richest people on the planet and destined to be losers forever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 4 minutes ago, TRon said: When you say you are concerned, what is the point of that? If you don't like a player, you replace that player. If you don't like a manager, you replace that manager. I suppose if you don't like the leadership then...you guess where this is going. Who would you want instead? I want them to do better. The City board improved and changed over time. Im more concerned by their moves than what happens on the pitch. Stadium, sponsors l, training ground, academy, legal battles. It’s not about liking them or wanting them replaced. Same for Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Fulhams Ta I knew I had missed one team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 I'm still a Howe believer and I do think he's earned at least until after the Christmas fixtures. However todays defeat did seem inevitable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, Weezertron said: We had a bunch of moments go for us in the first handful of games like, when we were awful. Schar getting unfairly sent off? We were better than Spurs. Bournemouth handball decision was correct. Can’t recall much go for us this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, TRon said: I'm not sure we are finishing 7th/8th though, that's the problem. A month ago I would have thought that finishing in those positions was a pessimistic take, now I watch us being outplayed by Fulhams and Brentfords and I'm not convinced we are significantly better. Agreed. But we are only 3 points short of 7/8. Hardly enough to sack the manager. If people work even let Howe finish a season or at least look hopeless before wanting him gone. We’ll never have any patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, Ben said: I'm still a Howe believer and I do think he's earned at least until after the Christmas fixtures. However todays defeat did seem inevitable We were up against the best HOME team in the division so was always going to be a tough game. As is any away game in the EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, LFEE said: Schar getting unfairly sent off? We were better than Spurs. Bournemouth handball decision was correct. Can’t recall much go for us this season. Disagree that we were better than Spurs. Second half we were giving the ball away for fun. Were lucky to win that imo. The nick for the equaliser at Wolves is one thing from the top of my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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