Erikse Posted Thursday at 09:32 Share Posted Thursday at 09:32 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Fak said: even if they’ve failed to back him for a 3rd window running? Which could be down to backing him "too much" financially (relative to our PSR limit) overall in the 4 windows before that. We do need to change the squad up though, which probably means that Howe needs to accept giving up on someone of value. Edited Thursday at 09:38 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 09:33 Share Posted Thursday at 09:33 1 minute ago, Fak said: Why would we do that? We wouldn’t, the point being what you pay in wages doesn’t automatically transfer in to how good your squad is, when you could easily overpay on wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Thursday at 09:35 Share Posted Thursday at 09:35 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: We wouldn’t, the point being what you pay in wages doesn’t automatically transfer in to how good your squad is, when you could easily overpay on wages. Not really when it all contributes towards PSR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted Thursday at 09:36 Share Posted Thursday at 09:36 4 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: I am amazed that anyone who thinks that Man City should look to sign Harvey Barnes could have the audacity to call anyone a divvy to be honest. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 09:36 Share Posted Thursday at 09:36 Just now, Fak said: Not really when it all contributes towards PSR. You really can overpay players in wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted Thursday at 09:39 Share Posted Thursday at 09:39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Thursday at 09:41 Share Posted Thursday at 09:41 7 minutes ago, Erikse said: Which could be down to backing him "too much" financially (relative to our PSR limit) in the 3 windows before that. We do need to change the squad up though, which probably means that Howe needs to accept giving up on someone of value. Yep. Transfer windows dictated by Ashworth, Staveley and Ghodoussi. All of whom are no longer at the club. If he isn’t backed next month it may be for the reason you stated, but not because they’ve already decided to can Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted Thursday at 09:41 Share Posted Thursday at 09:41 9 minutes ago, Fak said: Right bunch of nasty bastards our owners it seems. Ruthless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Thursday at 09:41 Share Posted Thursday at 09:41 4 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: You really can overpay players in wages. Never said otherwise. Just disagree that it’s easily done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Thursday at 09:45 Share Posted Thursday at 09:45 2 minutes ago, Fak said: Yep. Transfer windows dictated by Ashworth, Staveley and Ghodoussi. All of whom are no longer at the club. If he isn’t backed next month it may be for the reason you stated, but not because they’ve already decided to can Howe. You think that Mehrdad Ghodoussi and Amanda Staveley were selecting the players to be signed and Howe was just there to coach them? Or that Ashworth had that kind of say from 2023? Yeah, not buying that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted Thursday at 09:46 Share Posted Thursday at 09:46 13 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: So if we gave all of our players a £50k a week pay rise then it wouldn’t be overachieving? Look at the teams that pay more than us and how much more they pay. If we outperform any of the top 6 wage payers we're over-achieving. More of a marginal thing versus the likes of Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Thursday at 09:48 Share Posted Thursday at 09:48 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: You think that Mehrdad Ghodoussi and Amanda Staveley were selecting the players to be signed and Howe was just there to coach them? Or that Ashworth had that kind of say from 2023? Yeah, not buying that. No not saying that at all. Howe definitely had an input and in their first window we were in a relegation fight: the owners were probably a bit too keen to give Howe what he wanted/what we needed and spend their way out of trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 09:51 Share Posted Thursday at 09:51 Just now, Fak said: No not saying that at all. Howe definitely had an input and in their first window we were in a relegation fight: the owners were probably a bit too keen to give Howe what he wanted/what we needed and spend their way out of trouble. I think he's also been guilty of being too loyal to some players who we needed to move on and that affects our transfer deals down the line. But I guess that's also part of building squad loyalty as well. That's why I will be happy if Mitchell takes over this side and Howe steps back a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEToon Posted Thursday at 09:54 Share Posted Thursday at 09:54 The notion he won’t be backed just feels like the latest projection of pending doom, seems to be a comfort blanket to some to want to cling on to the idea of darkness and misery, quite odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 09:57 Share Posted Thursday at 09:57 1 minute ago, Interpolic said: Look at the teams that pay more than us and how much more they pay. If we outperform any of the top 6 wage payers we're over-achieving. More of a marginal thing versus the likes of Villa. There are clubs that I wouldn’t expect us to rival in terms of performances like Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea but there is no reason why we shouldn’t be competing with Spurs, Man Utd and Villa. The whole argument that someone has a more valuable squad or pay higher wages automatically means that our level is 8th is ridiculous, as teams that pay higher wages under achieve, or have European games that stretch their squad so they can’t compete to the level they want every week. Does it mean that if any team that pays less wages than us finishes above us this season we have underachieved? What about if we finish 8th but Forest finish 7th and Man Utd 9th? Is that an underachievement? Should we even be celebrating beating Brentford last night as we pay far more wages than them? It is nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 09:58 Share Posted Thursday at 09:58 3 minutes ago, JEToon said: The notion he won’t be backed just feels like the latest projection of pending doom, seems to be a comfort blanket to some to want to cling on to the idea of darkness and misery, quite odd. Has anyone said he won’t be backed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted Thursday at 10:02 Share Posted Thursday at 10:02 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: There are clubs that I wouldn’t expect us to rival in terms of performances like Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea but there is no reason why we shouldn’t be competing with Spurs, Man Utd and Villa. The whole argument that someone has a more valuable squad or pay higher wages automatically means that our level is 8th is ridiculous, as teams that pay higher wages under achieve, or have European games that stretch their squad so they can’t compete to the level they want every week. Does it mean that if any team that pays less wages than us finishes above us this season we have underachieved? What about if we finish 8th but Forest finish 7th and Man Utd 9th? Is that an underachievement? Should we even be celebrating beating Brentford last night as we pay far more wages than them? It is nonsense. No it's nonsense you saying the manager needs sacked if he doesn't make Europe 2 seasons running, since that's actually above par. Wage bills are a good indicator of where a club should be finishing. If you don't like that then try revenue since that affects the amount a club can spend on transfer fees. And we are streets behind Spurs and Man Utd on revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEToon Posted Thursday at 10:03 Share Posted Thursday at 10:03 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: Has anyone said he won’t be backed? 31 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: If they don’t back him in January Might as well have really, quite an odd thing to be thinking about to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Thursday at 10:04 Share Posted Thursday at 10:04 9 minutes ago, JEToon said: The notion he won’t be backed just feels like the latest projection of pending doom, seems to be a comfort blanket to some to want to cling on to the idea of darkness and misery, quite odd. Don’t think anyone has said that tbh, personally think they will back him if it’s at all possible as they always have done. I don’t think we will be willing to get ourselves into a similar position as last summer mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted Thursday at 10:06 Share Posted Thursday at 10:06 Morning to everyone who said he should be sacked after Brentford away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted Thursday at 10:07 Share Posted Thursday at 10:07 Howe has been found out a little at times this season but any manager do didn’t have any key additions to the first 11 in recent windows would suffer from squad staleness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Thursday at 10:08 Share Posted Thursday at 10:08 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Andy84 said: Morning to everyone who said he should be sacked after Brentford away Again not to start another argument, but home wins against an awful Leicester side and a Brentford side with the worst away record in the league, aren’t definitive markers that we have a turned a corner. Edited Thursday at 10:14 by SUPERTOON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted Thursday at 10:12 Share Posted Thursday at 10:12 16 hours ago, Yorkie said: Howe absolutely loves a bit of flanter with Puke. It's a mystery. It’s probably light relief from having to decipher Ryder making the simplest of questions almost incomprehensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted Thursday at 10:14 Share Posted Thursday at 10:14 5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Again not to start another argument, but home wins against an awful Leicester side and a Brentford side with the worst away record in the league definitive markers that we have a turned a corner. Agreed but there were also some predicting we’d lose both games and we haven’t. On the flip side I think Ipswich is a different test of our mettle to go away and win and against a side we should probably beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted Thursday at 10:16 Share Posted Thursday at 10:16 A lot of people seem to forget the cirumstances that led to Howe missing out on Europe last season. I don't obviously. Two seasons without Europe for us might not even be a sackable offence, yet some people are suggesting it's a sackable offence for Howe when Newcastle were in the Championship 5 years ago. Very baffling to read. Obviously we've got God at the helm now, but if we were looking a manager and Howe was available, I'd have him at us in a heartbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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