Eddie Howe

[Hudson]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Feels like he could be our Fergie. 

[Scoot]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 hours ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Not only would it be a long shot to get a better manager at this current time,  it would probably be near impossible to get a better ambassador for the club as well. 
 

Those merry one or two who even countenanced bellends like Mourinho would likely not only be disappointed with results, but also by what a cunt he is for falling out with anything in the club that dared protrude from the ground.

[Matt1892]

16 hours ago, Cf said:

 

So if we take those 6 out you expect us to win the league or fire our manager?

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

[Elliottman]

30 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

 

I think some context is required before you start throwing around lines about our squad costing the same as Liverpool and Spurs like ffs 

[PauloGeordio]

15 hours ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻 The players seem to know and adore him! Hope he’s the one that we lift our first trophy with.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by PauloGeordio

[54]

38 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

You can't just say "He has spent the same as Liverpool" without the massive fucking caveat that Eddie Howe assembled that squad with a base level of:

 

Darlow

 

Manquilo

Lascelles

Clark

Ritchie

 

Hayden

 

ASM

Willock

Longstaff

Joelinton (The shit version)

 

Wilson

 

And the club being rooted to the bottom of the league, and we had to spend that money to just get to even talking about European Football.

[Interpolic]

12 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

 

I think some context is required before you start throwing around lines about our squad costing the same as Liverpool and Spurs like ffs 

 

 

Our squad when the new owners arrived:

 

Dubravka, Darlow, Gillespie

Clark, Dummett, Schar, Lascelles, Lewis, Krafth, Fernandez, Manquillo

Shelvey, ASM, Ritchie, Hayden, Fraser, Murphy, Almiron, Willock, Longstaff

Joelinton, Wilson, Gayle

 

Half the reason we were able to spend decent amounts in the first few years was criminal under investment from a fat fuck who DGAF. 

 

The squad needed major work and we had very few players of significant resale value. It's a wonder we've been able to compete with some of those six clubs while still spending less than them, from that rotten foundation. 

[Interpolic]

Snap @54 

[RS]

Matt1892 channelling his inner David Edgar here

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

57 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

Now do a table for wage bill and see who is significantly ahead of us. Looking at transfer spend without additional context is trying to be disingenuous IMHO

[Erikse]

Not saying transfer fees alone is the best parameter, but doesn't it also account for the players that were bought before our takeover? For example it includes the fees of van Dijk and Salah who were bought in 2017. You guys seem to think that it's about the money spent by different clubs since the time of our takeover. It's just a total transfer fee of each player in the current squad, nomatter when they were bought.

 

I suppose you could argue that our pricey players were mostly bought in the recent inflation of prices, and also that the other clubs has developed some great talents, which is valid.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Erikse

[Shearergol]

We started with a shed and had to buy a house next to it. Liverpool, man United etc had mansions and decided to change their kitchen. 

[Erikse]

20 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

We started with a shed and had to buy a house next to it. Liverpool, man United etc had mansions and decided to change their kitchen. 

 

The mansion itself and/or the money reinvested from selling parts of the mansion is included in that statistics (and income from sales are not included). If it was "money spent since our takeover compared to other clubs", that argument would be more valid. Not saying it's not valid at all, the Mike Ashley years still matters in some way in terms of having to spend more (like lack of talents).

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[JEToon]

Trying to act like we and Liverpool have spent similar outlay to get the squads we have is fucking hilarious like  

[The College Dropout]

Liverpool wage bill is twice ours.

big difference in official squad cost numbers from the accounts.  
 

Granted transfrmarkt will be more up to date but their numbers are not as reliable as official accounts and are in euros not sterling. 

[Myleftboot]

26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Liverpool wage bill is twice ours.

big difference in official squad cost numbers from the accounts.  
 

Granted transfrmarkt will be more up to date but their numbers are not as reliable as official accounts and are in euros not sterling. 

Chelsea man. How are they getting away with it?

[Matt1892]

3 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

The mansion itself and/or the money reinvested from selling parts of the mansion is included in that statistics (and income from sales are not included). If it was "money spent since our takeover compared to other clubs", that argument would be more valid. Not saying it's not valid at all, the Mike Ashley years still matters in some way in terms of having to spend more (like lack of talents).

 

 

 

Exactly this.

 

This isn’t money spent since the takeover, the figures posted are the cost of assembling their current squads that are being used this year.

 

The players inherited are irrelevant.

[Andy]

3 hours ago, Myleftboot said:

Chelsea man. How are they getting away with it?

 

It's ridiculous. Equally ridiculous that some parts of the media talk about Maresca like he's performing miracles. 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Exactly this.

 

This isn’t money spent since the takeover, the figures posted are the cost of assembling their current squads that are being used this year.

 

The players inherited are irrelevant.

Fucking hell. When their powers combine.

[Interpolic]

2 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

Exactly this.

 

This isn’t money spent since the takeover, the figures posted are the cost of assembling their current squads that are being used this year.

 

The players inherited are irrelevant.

 

How many of Liverpool's squad were bought for fees of <£5m vs our squad? 

 

Because that's your youth products, free transfers on big wages, and young bargains picked up due to elite scouting networks. The sort of activity you benefit from when you haven't been run into the ground for 14 years by a spiteful owner.

 

This is squad space that accounts for very little purchase value. And this is context that everyone who watches football knows about and would apply when looking at that table. 

 

Ours will also be top-heavy because we weren't able to do stuff like buy a player like Salah to dominate the league for a decade for 35 million quid. Our record signing at that time was still Michael Owen. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Interpolic

[Jaqen]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Exactly this.

 

This isn’t money spent since the takeover, the figures posted are the cost of assembling their current squads that are being used this year.

 

The players inherited are irrelevant.

 

The top 6 sides have much better academy players coming through which helps, mind. They can also take advantage of either free players or buy out clauses by offering much higher wages as well. 

 

Wages in general is a much better indicator of where sides 'should' finish. 

[STM]

Eddie Howe is a fantastic manager, I use my memory of all the shit managers we've had to prove it in my own head. 

 

I actually enjoy supporting my club under Eddie Howe, even when we lose its not nearly as vomit inducing or terminal as what it has been in the past. I always feel that there's a chance we will batter the next side we will play. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

50 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

How many of Liverpool's squad were bought for fees of <£5m vs our squad? 

 

Because that's your youth products, free transfers on big wages, and young bargains picked up due to elite scouting networks. The sort of activity you benefit from when you haven't been run into the ground for 14 years by a spiteful owner.

 

This is squad space that accounts for very little purchase value. And this is context that everyone who watches football knows about and would apply when looking at that table. 

 

Ours will also be top-heavy because we weren't able to do stuff like buy a player like Salah to dominate the league for a decade for 35 million quid. Our record signing at that time was still Michael Owen. 

 

 

 

which is also borne out by the relative increase in squad values vs purchase price. We’ve had to pay first xi prices for pretty much every position on the pitch. 

[LionOfGosforth]

Anyone has the right to feel how they feel and put forth opinions but the tedious reduction of everything to basically a stat or line on a spreadsheet by a few is getting fucking old like. I didn't go to my first Newcastle game worrying about wages and revenue and although I accept it's a big part of the game and how fans analyze things now, it's not for me like. Players aren't terminators, you can't say "he gets this much a week, he should be an 8/10 every week" or "our wage bill is x amount, that automatically equals 7th place or the manager gets the boot" and we start the same chop and change cycle that other clubs have tried and failed with, with no guarantees of anything at all.

 

I know what I see with my eyes. That's a brilliant coach and club ambassador doing his best starting at 6am every day of the week, wringing the best out of a committed and wholehearted group of players. They don't always play as well as they can and I get as frustrated as anyone when they don't. I don't agree with every single thing he does, his stubbornness with certain players, the reactiveness mid-game at times, especially when we're losing, does my nut in. But I know I enjoy watching this team, have done since day 1, and when they're 1-0 up, they want and will try to get to 2-0, then 3-0, then 4. They don't stop trying to score goals and putting in a shift every game and that's enough for me at the end of a shite week.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by LionOfGosforth