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1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'd hope when things level out we'll end up on high 50s points this year they might get low 40s. Just going off what we've seen so far. Mix of games for us. Played 2 relegation candidates in Wolves and Forest.  Beat them both. Played 2 title contenders. Lost them both. The rest a mixture of likely mid table teams and drew and lost.

:thup:

 

I don't feel we've played badly very often tbh, but nor do I feel we've been at our very best. I feel we've been decent but under strength. That'll change in time is my belief based on everything we've seen under Howe.

 

Elanga should have scored at Villa, but at the end of that game most were content with a good draw away. Liverpool we were fantastic but had 10 men for much of the game. Leeds away was the biggest disappointment of the year for me despite getting a point. I agree when someone said to me earlier today we really should have made them worry more about us that game. Woltemades first game was always gonna be an unknown but we beat Wolves. Drawing away to a 4th placed Bournemouth is not to be sniffed at. Arsenal at home was disappointing but for me it was moreso the nature of the defeat than the performance. Forest was comfortable and today was just a good goal that beat us in a similar way to Barcelona.

 

But hey...I'm a glass half full guy...to say the least...

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Woltemade is a great step.  And Thiaw. Needs more football from his wingers mind. 


im going to become a broken record fast but we’re going to live and die off our wingers and Idk if people are ready to accept thet. Gordon, Elanga, Barnes and Murphy need to either score or create nearly every match and thus far it’s Murphy who’s been the best of them all. No team survives when 2 players on the pitch aren’t doing a damn thing and currently it’s our wingers.
 

Who created nearly every Isak chance last season? 
 

Who was the breakout left winger the prior?

 

The minute one of them picks up their game the entire thing will flow into place. But I’ll say it now and again, if they aren’t performing by Jan window all 4 on the block for me. 

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Scuffed shots by AG, over the bar or take right footed open body shots by Barnes, and Mr transition counter who can’t cross or shoot Elanga is nothing on our coaching staff. It’s on them. 

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Just now, r0cafella said:

Love Eddie no matter what, will always be grateful for what he's done for us. 


honestly I blame the players for nearly all of it. You can’t tell me Eddie didn’t prepare them.

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Just now, Kanj said:


honestly I blame the players for nearly all of it. You can’t tell me Eddie didn’t prepare them.

Hmm im not sure but ultimately pinning blame isn't really helpful, just have to hope lessons have been learnt. 

 

We are in a really tough spot and unfortunately the Gaffa remit is to essentially over achieve which he has been doing. In return for his overachieving he's essentially been given free reign to run the club as he sees fit. I just think that as an organisation we are quite weak when we contrast to those who we want to compete with (poorer facilities, lower budget, slimmer squads etc).  

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54 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Hmm im not sure but ultimately pinning blame isn't really helpful, just have to hope lessons have been learnt. 

 

We are in a really tough spot and unfortunately the Gaffa remit is to essentially over achieve which he has been doing. In return for his overachieving he's essentially been given free reign to run the club as he sees fit. I just think that as an organisation we are quite weak when we contrast to those who we want to compete with (poorer facilities, lower budget, slimmer squads etc).  


blame is a harsh word but what I’m on about is I can’t fathom how people think the system is always wrong when it’s clearly an execution thing like 9/10 with our losses. 
 

If the players don’t capitalize on open space, can’t control a ball, overhit crosses, underhit crosses, play a flat midfield and the winner comes because a fullback makes a run that bypasses our left winger (who points to the team “get him”) nobody does, and he is tackled but the striker hits a perfect shot thru our defense past our goalie…like ffs hard for me to say ah the system is wrong. I see very expensive high paid players playing very poor football despite having played here for multiple years. 
 
proper professionals man they aren’t kids. I’d forgive the new signings on the positioning errors 100% fyi. 

 

 

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I don't think i can fault him for much yesterday, the only thing i'd like to see more personally is using the full squad in games for example yesterday we have a few players who returned late from international games like Joelinton, we could've offered him a rest and started Miley instead who looked better when he came on 2nd half. unlike previous years we have a better squad so we can use it more.

 

Also feel like Murphy needs to get a run of games now as Elanga has been such a let down, i understand starting him and wanting it to work but Eddie usually  takes his time with new signings, take him off to reduce the pressure and we know Jacob is reliable when called upon.

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This is our functional squad, rated not by how good they are but how they are performing in my view relative to their ability and circumstances. A zero means as expected

 

1. Pope +1

2. Trippier 0

3. Hall +1

4. Botman +3

5. Schar 0

6. Lascelles n/a

7. Joelinton -3

8. Tonali 0

9. Wissa n/a

10. Gordon -2

11. Barnes -2

12. Thiaw +4

17. Krafth n/a

18. Osula +1

20. Elanga -3

21. Livramento +2

23. Murphy +5

27. Woltemade +4

28. Willock -5

32. Ramsdale n/a

33. Burn +2

39. Bruno -1

41. Ramsey n/a

67. Miley +1

 

So if 24 players, 6 are underperforming and 10 are overperforming

 

at this stage of the season it is an issue for those six players to fix with help of management. If they don’t get better or replaced from the starting eleven or other players get worse then it becomes an issue with the coaching.

 

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8 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'd hope when things level out we'll end up on high 50s points this year they might get low 40s. Just going off what we've seen so far. Mix of games for us. Played 2 relegation candidates in Wolves and Forest.  Beat them both. Played 2 title contenders. Lost them both. The rest a mixture of likely mid table teams and drew and lost.

 

For what it's worth, even in the season of disastrous injury problems, we finished on 60 points.

 

Nothing wrong with analysing the games so far, but it doesn't consider the liklihood or the potential for us to improve, which we will.

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Howe is clearly a very good manager, but it’s fair to call him out for obvious blind spots in his thinking which all managers have. He’s is the persistence with the flat three midfield that will get passed around with ease at times and he won’t change it.

 

Multiple times we’ve played likes of Brighton that expose it due to their style, and never is it changed and often it’s the same end result. 

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10 hours ago, Toonjam88 said:

Are people seriously questioning Howe? If it wasn’t for that cunt Isak we would have have beat Villa, Leeds, Bournemouth and would probably have done better against Arsenal. We have had a good season transfer wise. 
other forward we bought who we expected to score most of our goals this season knackered his knee playing for hi country which fucked us. What I would query him would be the signing of Elanga he has been a disappointment. Also Gordon once again pretends to be a top level winger.


I do think we need to stop using the Isak situation as an excuse now. We were starting to look iffy towards end of last season (which people will put on Isak throwing in the towel), and our attack looks all sorts of bad this season.
 

Our wingers are non-existent, midfield just a step off it attacking wise. You can validly say that after 3 seasons, opposition are more clued up on our weaknesses, and we don’t yet have an answer for it. Defence set up we’re stuck with till mid December really, but midfield and attack he needs to find something different in the approach. As the flat midfield three, wingers being wingers and a striker isn’t working as a collective as they encounter a wall of questions and same approach isn’t then answering them. 

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I'm not an Eddie outer, far from it. Best manager we've had in my lifetime, so hope the sycophants don't misconstrue this

He needs to utilise plan B, Cs & Ds more often.

Our general style of play is predictable, when it work's it's great but it puts a ceiling on things when the stars aren't aligned.

Early days yet and I do trust and expect him to turn things around, as he's done prior


That said, it's my only real criticism of him throughout his very successful time with us.

 

I do sympathise with him having to work with such poor wing play, but then again, he chose them...

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Roids said:

I'm not an Eddie outer, far from it. Best manager we've had in my lifetime, so hope the sycophants don't misconstrue this

He needs to utilise plan B, Cs & Ds more often.

Our general style of play is predictable, when it work's it's great but it puts a ceiling on things when the stars aren't aligned.

Early days yet and I do trust and expect him to turn things around, as he's done prior


That said, it's my only real criticism of him throughout his very successful time with us.

 

I do sympathise with him having to work with such poor wing play, but then again, he chose them...

 

 

 

Chose them to be playing alongside Isak.

 

Not a completely different type of player.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Sibierski said:


I do think we need to stop using the Isak situation as an excuse now. We were starting to look iffy towards end of last season (which people will put on Isak throwing in the towel), and our attack looks all sorts of bad this season.
 

Our wingers are non-existent, midfield just a step off it attacking wise. You can validly say that after 3 seasons, opposition are more clued up on our weaknesses, and we don’t yet have an answer for it. Defence set up we’re stuck with till mid December really, but midfield and attack he needs to find something different in the approach. As the flat midfield three, wingers being wingers and a striker isn’t working as a collective as they encounter a wall of questions and same approach isn’t then answering them. 

 

Nah, it's perfectly valid to use the Isak situation as an excuse. Firstly, we had to play the first three games without a capable centre forward. Secondly because one of the two strikers he signed picked up an injury and the other completely alters our patterns of play up top. It'll take a bit of time to build those attacking relationships and might require a bit of patience in the meantime.

 

The midfield and wingers need to start chipping in, but we haven't played a flat midfield three for a while now. Yesterday they just looked off it, even Sandro who is outstanding, looked gassed.

 

We just look like a side who are very much in transition. Despite criticism of inflexibility, Howe has also been pelters for playing three at the back, which looked solid but just as impotent as 4-3-3. Is it not just that we have a completely new attacking line up that looks rather disjointed due to their relationship being five games old?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Roids said:

I'm not an Eddie outer, far from it. Best manager we've had in my lifetime, so hope the sycophants don't misconstrue this

He needs to utilise plan B, Cs & Ds more often.

Our general style of play is predictable, when it work's it's great but it puts a ceiling on things when the stars aren't aligned.

Early days yet and I do trust and expect him to turn things around, as he's done prior


That said, it's my only real criticism of him throughout his very successful time with us.

 

I do sympathise with him having to work with such poor wing play, but then again, he chose them...

 

 

 

 

The wingers are my main concern and we've spent best part of £150m on them. They need to start firing. They need to start doing what they're there to do. Getting the ball in the box and chipping in with more goals themselves. We've always struggled againt low block teams. We can't play through teams from central positions the way the really top teams can do which is why we need the wingers firing cos they're the ones who can stretch games and give us the advantage.

 

Listen, Howe will have forgotten more about coaching a football team and I'm sure that's what he'll be focusing on. Certainly doesn't need me to tell him! Once they're up and running we should see an upturn but it'll be much of the same until then. My main worry is that we give ourselves too much to do.

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14 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Chose them to be playing alongside Isak.

 

Not a completely different type of player.

 

 

 

Nasty copout

Squad's change every season, it can't be contingent on a single guy

If your £60m wingers need Isak to function then I'd wager they aren't fit for purpose

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12 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

The wingers are my main concern and we've spent best part of £150m on them. They need to start firing. They need to start doing what they're there to do. Getting the ball in the box and chipping in with more goals themselves. We've always struggled againt low block teams. We can't play through teams from central positions the way the really top teams can do which is why we need the wingers firing cos they're the ones who can stretch games and give us the advantage.

 

Listen, Howe will have forgotten more about coaching a football team and I'm sure that's what he'll be focusing on. Certainly doesn't need me to tell him! Once they're up and running we should see an upturn but it'll be much of the same until then. My main worry is that we give ourselves too much to do.

They stink and it pains me that in a season where Mbuemo & Kudus got moves we have these two. 

We might as switch to a counter attacking dominant style as it's the only way we'll get any consistent value out of them.


Imagine the aforementioned or Semenyo on our wings...

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1 minute ago, Roids said:

They stink and it pains me that in a season where Mbuemo & Kudus got moves we have these two. 

We might as switch to a counter attacking dominant style as it's the only way we'll get any consistent value out of them.


Imagine the aforementioned or Semenyo on our wings...

 

Semenyo was always my first choice tbh. We were in for Mbuemo I think but he chose Man Utd. I do think that Elanga will improve the longer he's here mind. That's what Howe does. For the time being though he needs taken out of the team. We looked much better with Murphy there yesterday.

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