Holmesy Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 (edited) I'm probably less confident of Eddie turning this around than I have been in the past but i'm obviously hoping he proves me wrong. We just look completely clueless in every department. We're regularly getting turned over by poor teams and it feels like we've been found out. We're able to be more effective in the CL because those teams aren't used to playing us. The removal of Dan Burn at LB improves us instantly, and his continued inclusion is doing Eddie no favours at all. The disgruntled voices will only increase if he refuses to drop him. Beyond that, i don't see how you get the entire team to step up and stop being so easy to play against. Edited November 11, 2025 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggies Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 2 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I'm probably less confident of Eddie turning this around than I have been in the past but i'm obviously hoping he proves me wrong. We just look completely clueless in every department. We're regularly getting turned over by poor teams and it feels like we've been found out. We're able to be more effective in the CL because those teams aren't used to playing us. The removal of Dan Burn at LB instantly improves us instantly, and his continued inclusion is doing Eddie no favours at all. The disgruntled voices will only increase if he refuses to drop him. Beyond that, i don't see how you get the entire team to step up and stop being so easy to play against. What does this even mean? Our results have nothing to do with other clubs working out our formula, its to do with our current group not performing. At our best, we would have beaten Brentford at the weekend and there would have been nothing they could have done to stop us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 4 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I'm probably less confident of Eddie turning this around than I have been in the past but i'm obviously hoping he proves me wrong. We just look completely clueless in every department. We're regularly getting turned over by poor teams and it feels like we've been found out. We're able to be more effective in the CL because those teams aren't used to playing us. The removal of Dan Burn at LB instantly improves us instantly, and his continued inclusion is doing Eddie no favours at all. The disgruntled voices will only increase if he refuses to drop him. Beyond that, i don't see how you get the entire team to step up and stop being so easy to play against. I don't know how many times it has to be said, but Eddie isn't "refusing to drop Burn". He's made it clear in every press conference for the last few weeks that Hall is not ready to start games. If Hall starts, it increases the risk of re-injury, which Eddie would also be lambasted for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 5 minutes ago, Maggies said: From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. You obviously haven't read the comments sections on X, YouTube and Facebook. I fucking hate a huge number of our fans, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 10 minutes ago, Maggies said: From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. Yeah nobody has the balls to actually suggest sacking him. They just imply he should be sacked, or say things like "the Saudis wont be happy". The same people who when talking about the clubs hierarchy claim that they arent doing a good job, its that Howe was performing miracles. Which is it? All of a sudden Howe has lost his magic dust? Losing games of football is so infuriating that people vent, thats fine and sometimes their emotional response is misguided. Thats what's going on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 The correct route is to change the players but I really doubt the management would think the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 9 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: You obviously haven't read the comments sections on X, YouTube and Facebook. I fucking hate a huge number of our fans, like. I never read that shiiiiiiiiiiiitte! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 2 minutes ago, Zero said: The correct route is to change the players but I really doubt the management would think the same. Surely given the manager is Eddie Howe and he knows better than you or I, you trust him to make the correct call.. in time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 Just now, STM said: Surely given the manager is Eddie Howe and he knows better than you or I, you trust him to make the correct call.. in time? I would go as far as unless we finished lower than 17 in the league table, Howe can do whatever he wants to rebuild the team. What he needs is trust and funds from the management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 I'm personally yet to see any sincere serious posters even hint at wanting him sacked like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 (edited) 10 minutes ago, STM said: Yeah nobody has the balls to actually suggest sacking him. They just imply he should be sacked, or say things like "the Saudis wont be happy". The same people who when talking about the clubs hierarchy claim that they arent doing a good job, its that Howe was performing miracles. Which is it? All of a sudden Howe has lost his magic dust? Losing games of football is so infuriating that people vent, thats fine and sometimes their emotional response is misguided. Thats what's going on here. I'm far less sentimental than most, and wouldn't be too bothered if he was sacked in the name of improvement. I support NUFC, not the Eddie Howe show. However, I have been guilty of doubting him in the past and he has proved me wrong every time. Coincidentally, the last time I thought we should have considered replacing him was when he persisted with BDB at left back and made us school-boy easy to beat. He has far too much credit in the bank to consider sacking him now and deserves the time to turn it around, and I sincerely hope he does. How that happens i've no idea. Edited November 11, 2025 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 23 minutes ago, Maggies said: From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. They might not come out and say it but it's what a lot of them mean.. especially those just now piping up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 25 minutes ago, Maggies said: From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. They might not come out and say it but it's what a lot of them mean.. especially those just now piping up. Just now, Holmesy said: I'm far less sentimental than most, and wouldn't be too bothered if he was sacked in the name of improvement. I support NUFC, not the Eddie Howe show. However, I have been guilty of doubting him in the past and he has proved me wrong every time. Coincidentally, the last time I thought we should have considered replacing him was when he persisted with BDB at left back and made us school-boy easy to beat. He has far too much credit in the bank to consider sacking him now and deserves the time to turn it around, and i I'm similar. Except this squad is so much for Eddie, he can only really be sacked in my view, once the squad has been pivoted. So he gets this entire season and 10-15 of next for me. Nobody else can do anything meaningful with this squad anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 28 minutes ago, Maggies said: From what I’ve seen I don’t think anyone is calling for his sacking. Just sharing worries after a few awful performances. I think we have two core issues 1) pressing game isn’t as strong with Big Nick up top and 2) confidence in our defence with Pope having wobbles and Burn (at left back) being a liability. Both of those make us very easy to play against. I think Howe solves both of those when Wissa and Hall return. I think Woltemade is better at pressing than Isak was. Besides, our pressing requires multiple players pressing at the same time so it's not fair to focus on one player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 I do think most of us know that our style of play has been massively affected by the absence of our two young full backs. And, then Wissa pace up top. I won't doubt him, but I do feel the play has been so poor it's more concerning that other poor runs. We need that good league win, giving a team a good hiding will obviously be a big boost, especially in an away game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 22 minutes ago, STM said: What does this even mean? Our results have nothing to do with other clubs working out our formula, its to do with our current group not performing. At our best, we would have beaten Brentford at the weekend and there would have been nothing they could have done to stop us. So you're suggesting there's nothing a lesser team can do to be more effective against a superior team and take points from them? Why does every PL team have an analysis department? Might as well sack them all - pointless waste of time. How were we so effective against Liverpool in the cup final? They didn't show up or we found a way to beat a better team, playing to our strengths and negating theirs? How did Palace do the same? The best team doesn't always win, and it's not just down to the better team not turning up. Surely you know that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 58 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Be careful what you wish for He’s another one who has wanted Eddie out for ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 Howe has two shortcomings that he needs to be able to work through: a) he is too loyal to players b) he doesn’t rotate the selected players very well for a) he has stuck with players too long, the main things being not cashing in on Wilson and Willock after his first full season - i think this set back our progress significantly and there are many examples since, not necessarily of him not selling a player he needed to sell, but keeping them in the team, e.g. I think Bruno needs a fortnight off which then leads into b) I think Howe needs a mentor who he can have a chat with once or twice a month which can give him an opportunity to complete the transition that he can make to being the best manager in the league. this is going to be controversial but I think Alex Ferguson would be a great mentor for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 (edited) for all of the plastics wanting him out. Fuck off you short-memory glory hunting fakes. Edited November 11, 2025 by RS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornah Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 8 minutes ago, James said: Howe has two shortcomings that he needs to be able to work through: a) he is too loyal to players b) he doesn’t rotate the selected players very well for a) he has stuck with players too long, the main things being not cashing in on Wilson and Willock after his first full season - i think this set back our progress significantly and there are many examples since, not necessarily of him not selling a player he needed to sell, but keeping them in the team, e.g. I think Bruno needs a fortnight off which then leads into b) I think Howe needs a mentor who he can have a chat with once or twice a month which can give him an opportunity to complete the transition that he can make to being the best manager in the league. this is going to be controversial but I think Alex Ferguson would be a great mentor for him. Fuck Taggart, never liked us and is just a bumbling alcoholic nowadays.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Holmesy said: So you're suggesting there's nothing a lesser team can do to be more effective against a superior team and take points from them? Why does every PL team have an analysis department? Might as well sack them all - pointless waste of time. How were we so effective against Liverpool in the cup final? They didn't show up or we found a way to beat a better team, playing to our strengths and negating theirs? How did Palace do the same? The best team doesn't always win, and it's not just down to the better team not turning up. Surely you know that? to be fair that’s kinda related to what I want to say next I suspect that some of the players are selectively turning up for the important matches because, they know they have past their best / reserving their energy and only turning up for the important ones. I don’t want to blame them. This is their age: Goalkeepers • Nick Pope: 34 • John Ruddy: 39 • Mark Gillespie: 34 • Aaron Ramsdale: 28 Defenders • Kieran Trippier: 35 • Lewis Hall: 21 • Sven Botman: 26 • Fabian Schär: 34 • Jamaal Lascelles: 32 • Malick Thiaw: 24 • Emil Krafth: 31 • Tino Livramento: 23 • Harrison Ashby: 24 • Dan Burn: 34 • Alex Murphy: 22 Midfielders • Joelinton: 29 • Sandro Tonali: 26 • Anthony Gordon: 25 • Harvey Barnes: 28 • Anthony Elanga: 24 • Jacob Murphy: 31 • Joe Willock: 26 • Bruno Guimarães: 28 • Jacob Ramsey: 25 • Lewis Miley: 20 Forwards • Yoane Wissa: 29 • William Osula: 22 • Nick Woltemade: 24 This is probably their last dance, to some of them. They probably want to win the ECL and that’s it. And if that’s the case, seriously, Howe can’t do much. As I said, his tactics requires the players to give them all. Edited November 11, 2025 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis80 Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 46 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: I don't know how many times it has to be said, but Eddie isn't "refusing to drop Burn". He's made it clear in every press conference for the last few weeks that Hall is not ready to start games. If Hall starts, it increases the risk of re-injury, which Eddie would also be lambasted for. I think a lot of people, certainly myself, think he would play Burn even if Hall was fit though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 Just now, Bellis80 said: I think a lot of people, certainly myself, think he would play Burn even if Hall was fit though. Burn has been a collosus at centre half this season and deserve to start there once Hall is back up and running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 11, 2025 Share Posted November 11, 2025 2 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: I do think most of us know that our style of play has been massively affected by the absence of our two young full backs. And, then Wissa pace up top. I won't doubt him, but I do feel the play has been so poor it's more concerning that other poor runs. We need that good league win, giving a team a good hiding will obviously be a big boost, especially in an away game. We had these issues with the FBs + Isak up top a fair bit, tbf. I think the pacey striker angle is a little overplayed as it shouldn't fall on one player to push the backline back. Woltemade definitely does need to learn some new movements but how we build-up feels very muddled. We're neither committing to a direct game nor a short build-up game consistently. The organised sides we've been playing go very direct to bypass our press with flat balls from the GK and have had decent success, I'm surprised we've not done this more ourselves while we've been hamstrung with lack of options but Pope can't kick a ball like that. Arsenal did this absolutely loads against us to keep the ball in our half. It's pretty easy for an opposing manager to plan for us at the minute. Funnel their press to our left and either watch us dally which leads to a dink to nowhere or we give it back to Pope who will boot it out of play most of the time. I thought we'd had a eureka moment against Bilbao where we went for more direct angled balls earlier with wingers & midfielders making more runs, but it didn't seem to be on show at all against Brentford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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