Eddie Howe

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, CheikBoom said:

Agree with all of this. Football is doing exactly what its supposed to do. Probably plays into why I'm fully behind EH to be honest. 

 

 

I've got my doubts on Howe tbh, I don't think he's handled the squad rotation well, I think he's took too long to adapt to a different PL where teams are wiser to how we set up, and I think he might have took us as far as he can to be brutally honest. But I think it would be a disastrous move to get rid of him unless there's real unrest behind the scenes. Fans would never forgive the board, he's loved by too many, and as a manager you are onto a hiding to nothing following that.

 

Give him another season and a chance to put things right with a DOF he can work with in place. I still think it will go tits up tbh, but you have to follow it through. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I don't particularly rate Arteta, spent about a billion quid and has them playing football like the crazy gang did in the 90's . Liverpool and Man City have been so poor this season he is almost winning the league by default. I reckon if Eddie had the unlimited budget Arteta has we would be in a similar position to Arsenal.

Yeah I won’t dispute it - but I also don’t think it’s open-and-shut, either. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Milburn said:

Paul Mitchell didn’t “leave”, he was pushed out because his vision clashed with Howe’s. Mitchell wanted a modern structure; Howe wants the manager to have a say in everything. That approach is outdated.

 

In a serious football operation, the manager coaches while the DoF runs recruitment. That model clearly doesn’t suit Howe, which is why Ross Wilson has been installed as a compliant yes-man with no visible long-term plan for squad building or player trading.

 

Put another way: Wilson will happily chase players like Jacob Ramsey on the manager’s command. Someone like Mitchell would’ve gone his own way and tried to engineer deals for hidden gems like Igor Thiago instead. And yes — Mitchell’s EQ was questionable, he’s got his own skeletons in the closet - but at least he had a clear recruitment vision.

 

So no, Howe hasn’t been “failed from above”. He is the structure - and it’s a flawed one.

 

 

 

I still think this assumption that Howe wants total control of everything in a manner that hasn’t really existed for a decade or more is dodgy. 
 

I don’t get why a young and intelligent manager would supposedly be behaving in the manner of a 80s or 90s dinosaur. 

 

Doesn’t ring true at all. 

 

 

Edited February 8 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Stuy_O]

Is it not more that he had plenty of clout at Bournemouth so is used to that way of working? 

[Maggies]

For me it’s simple - our squad needs a rebuild.

 

If Howe is unwilling through loyalty or stubbornness then part ways in the summer.

 

If he is willing, then I’d give him another season.

 

How he becomes effective with a league and European campaign… that’s a worry, but don’t think that’s going to be a problem next year.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Stuy_O said:

Is it not more that he had plenty of clout at Bournemouth so is used to that way of working? 

He could be used to it out of necessity of course, kind of like he had to do here when he first arrived and we had no structure.
 

But even then we’re saying that he’s not clever enough to recognise that literally every other elite club works in completely different way? He’d basically be saying he could never work at a PL club. 
 

He’s an expert in modern football, it would be a massive failing if he has just not noticed what the actual role of a manager usually is. 

[Ronaldo]

7 hours ago, r0cafella said:

It's been ringing in my ear for months, @Ronaldo Described us as "flat track bullies" a couple of years ago to everyone's derision (myself included) but it's hard to disagree with that assessment looking back.

 

We look so hopeless when we have to play actual football. 

I am touched by this.

[Stuy_O]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He could be used to it out of necessity of course, kind of like he had to do here when he first arrived and we had no structure.
 

But even then we’re saying that he’s not clever enough to recognise that literally every other elite club works in completely different way? He’d basically be saying he could never work at a PL club. 
 

He’s an expert in modern football, it would be a massive failing if he has just not noticed what the actual role of a manager usually is. 

 

I find it odd too. Maybe the Celtic offer and how it collapsed gives us a clue. Could a compromise have been reached there? My feeling is he's fussy to the point of difficult. 

 

Of course people will have their own view if this is a good or bad thing. 

 

My own opinion is that when he first got the job he was willing to let the club do things as they saw fit, with Staveley as his ally, and on the crescendo of the takeover. As he's gained more success and fan support he's tried to carve out his own vision, the further his feet get under the table. Staveley leaving hasn't helped things at all from his point of view. 

 

 

Edited February 8 by Stuy_O

[Mikky]

6 minutes ago, Maggies said:

For me it’s simple - our squad needs a rebuild.

 

If Howe is unwilling through loyalty or stubbornness then part ways in the summer.

 

If he is willing, then I’d give him another season.

 

How he becomes effective with a league and European campaign… that’s a worry, but don’t think that’s going to be a problem next year.

Exactly where I am 

 

I honestly can’t fathom why we still have Gillespie, Ruddy, Trippier, Krafth, (Lascelles), Willock, J Murphy 

 

Ok Murphy I get as we thought Elanga was the answer but the rest, including Murphy now are all surplus and we must find a way of offloading Wissa 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

 

I find it odd too. Maybe the Celtic offer and how it collapsed gives us a clue. Could a compromise have been reached there? My feeling is he's fussy to the point of difficult. Could a compromise have been reached there? 

 

Of course people will have their own view if this a good or bad thing. 

 

My own opinion is that when he first got the job he was willing to let the club do things as they saw fit, with Staveley as his ally, and on the crescendo of the takeover. As he's gained more success and fan support he's tried to carve out his own vision, the further his feet get under the table. Staveley leaving hasn't helped things at all from his point of view. 

Yeah, hard to say exactly of course. 
 

I feel like it’s possible that the club just got those appointments slightly wrong and Howe was required to do loads of work. Then for whether reason Mitchell and him didn’t gel. 
 

Hopefully it doesn’t mean that Howe is mental enough to demand total control of a PL football club because that managerial job doesn’t really exist. 
 

Also hopefully we have improved the back room operation and it can supply Howe with lots of good affordable targets that will help him this summer. 

 

 

Edited February 8 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Whitley mag]

I don’t think anyone wants him to get the sack and unlike some managers, he took full accountability yesterday which sums the bloke up.

 

He basically built Bournemouth and brought them through the divisions, think even their fans admit he’s a control freak. So it’s no surprise he’d want final say on transfers and that’s what he had under PCP until Amanda left.

 

His spat with Mitchell I’d guess has a bit of blame at both doors, but it was rumoured Ashworth was also unhappy with his remit and the job wasn’t as advertised.

Be careful what you wish for. He ended up with full control this summer and I think PIF trusted him entirely. It’s backfired and his signings of Wissa, Elanga and Ramsey, for the fees paid has left him and the club in a very difficult PSR position.

 

I don’t see any evolution like some, apart from he occasionally goes to 3 at the back when we’re facing difficult opposition. Trippier is finished why didn’t he move Thiaw to right back last night?

 

The patterns of play haven’t changed and we’re overly reliant on limited wingers to create chances, or Bruno through his sheer will to win forcing something.

 

Our squad on paper looks the strongest it’s ever been in his time here, yes where short in areas but this is the 2nd time he’s failed to rotate successfully.

 

Hopefully he turns it around, or if worst happens it ends amicably. His place in our history is assured, but after last summer would I trust him with a war chest this summer, or that we’ll evolve next season, not sure myself and the club should be discreetly looking at other options to take the project forward in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8 by Whitley mag

[r0cafella]

10 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

I am touched by this.

Not sure if your being sarcastic  

 

But it stuck with me when you posted it, we were flying at the time and the football was good all be it based on transition... but when you think about it, we didn't really need to work hard on our in possession game because we would just bully other sides at that time. Now that's gone it all has a hint of the emperor has no clothes (The situation more so than Howe).  

[Optimistic Nut]

2 hours ago, Geordie Magpie said:

For all those saying Eddie has credit in the bank , how long does that last?

 

He deserves criticism and it's blatant to see things aren't working, yes we've had injuries, yes we've had to challenge on four fronts and yes we lost our star striker but you can't spend £250m last summer and badly go backwards? 

 

Howe and the owners have to take shared responsibility for last summer, Howe had full reign on how to spend the money and it's been wasted,the owners knew for time Isak wanted out, they went for strikers most of the window that clearly didn't want us and then went big on two last minute choices no where near the top  choices on our list, if we hadn't played funny buggers early in the window with Liverpool over Isak, we maybe would of got Ekitike.

 

4th 7th 5th in the last 3 seasons we have over performed considering we have the 8th highest wage bill and maybe Eddie can deserve an off season but it's very annoying when it's the same positive press conferences saying we played well (when we clearly haven't) although last night's presser defo shows he is feeling the pressure

 

What if this spills into next season,he has control of the summers budget ends up sacked and then we have to get a new manager who inherits it 

 

Think Eddie defo deserves until the end of the season and then the club really need to evaluate where we at and what other options there is. 

 

It's not all on Eddie though, the owners have to take the blame as well but football is ruthless, look at Man City when they were took over, Mancini was the first face of the club under new ownership, wins them a couple of trophies and then is replaced.

 

I think this is the first sign of things going stale and haven't heard boos at half time and full time at SJP in a very long time 

 

 

 

 

He's had two and a half unreal seasons, one where he hit "par" and this is the first when he's genuinely underachieving, which is still only a few points off where our minimum should be, has had a Cup Semi-Final and still in Europe where we seem more suited to.

 

I think he's done enough to suggest he's good enough and deserve an opportunity to put things right. 

 

 

 

[Stuy_O]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, hard to say exactly of course. 
 

I feel like it’s possible that he club just got those appointments slightly wrong and Howe was required to so loads of work. Then for whether reason Mitchell and him didn’t gel. 
 

Hopefully it doesn’t mean that Howe is mental enough to demand total control of a PL football club because that managerial job doesn’t really exist. 
 

Also hopefully we have improved the back room operation and it can supply Howe with lots of good affordable targets that will help him this summer. 

 

Agreed, he deserves the chance to turn this around but he will need some results soon. 

 

We all use the term 'full control', but between a sporting director and manager this is just a synonym for transfer targets. It was clear from day 1 that Howe and Mitchell weren't aligned. Both publicly doing interviews about how they see the direction of the club. 

 

Mitchell wasn't brought in to scout the likes of Mbuemo or Cunha, but if the manager predominantly wants premier league experience then you're presented with an impasse. How much groundwork, conversation, and scouting was actually done from the beginning to the end of Mitchells reign is anyones guess. I would suggest little.

 

We lost 4-2 away to Brentford in December of last season, and were playing not too dissimilar to how we are now. I sometimes wonder if that run of results had carried on then we would have made a change and Mitchell would have got his way. We went on a crazy run and won a cup, and there was only one winner after that.  

 

 

Edited February 8 by Stuy_O

[RobsonsWonderland]

Forget the FA cup, have fun in the CL but full focus on the league.

 

The league is what will lose Eddie his job 

 

 

 

 

[TRon]

10 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

I don’t think anyone wants him to get the sack and unlike some managers, he took full accountability yesterday which sums the bloke up.

 

He basically built Bournemouth and brought them through the divisions, think even their fans admit he’s a control freak. So it’s no surprise he’d want final say on transfers and that’s what he had under PCP until Amanda left.

 

His spat with Mitchell I’d guess has a bit of blame at both doors, but it was rumoured Ashworth was also unhappy with his remit and the job wasn’t as advertised.

Be careful what you wish for. He ended up with full control this summer and I think PIF trusted him entirely. It’s backfired and his signings of Wissa, Elanga and Ramsey, for the fees paid has left him and the club in a very difficult PSR position.

 

I don’t see any evolution like some, apart from he occasionally goes to 3 at the back when we’re facing difficult opposition. Trippier is finished why didn’t he move Thiaw to right back last night?

 

The patterns of play haven’t changed and we’re overly reliant on limited wingers to create chances, or Bruno through his sheer will to win forcing something.

 

Our squad on paper looks the strongest it’s ever been in his time here, yes where short in areas but this is the 2nd time he’s failed to rotate successfully.

 

Hopefully he turns it around, or if worst happens it ends amicably. His place in our history is assured, but after last summer would I trust him with a war chest this summer, or that we’ll evolve next season, not sure myself and the club should be discreetly looking at other options to take the project forward in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with this,  and I guess at the end of the season the board will have a tough decision to make. The safe option would be to allow Eddie another crack at the transfer market with Wilson in charge. But another bad summer's trading would be disastrous, and at the end of the day the owners of the club will get the blame so I guess they have to put their big boys pants on and decide which way they want to go. 

[Holloway]

Does anyone believe we are in for a rebuild/ overhaul in the summer window with the moolah we've spaffed  in the last one ? Can't see it myself

 

 

Edited February 8 by Holloway

[The Prophet]

7 hours ago, r0cafella said:

It's been ringing in my ear for months, @Ronaldo Described us as "flat track bullies" a couple of years ago to everyone's derision (myself included) but it's hard to disagree with that assessment looking back.

 

We look so hopeless when we have to play actual football. 

 

Until this season, we held a very good record against everyone other than City and Liverpool at home, we've also taken out some big sides in the cup. I'd have to disagree that we've been flat track bullies.

[Erikse]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Until this season, we held a very good record against everyone other than City and Liverpool at home, we've also taken out some big sides in the cup. I'd have to disagree that we've been flat track bullies.

 

Agree, the last few season the mid table sides have been our nemesis. Bascially the best teams amongst those who doesn't have the added games from European football. Before 23/24 we actually did pretty well against those. We've been consistently winning against bottom teams, and decent against top sides.

 

 

Edited February 8 by Erikse

[Kimbo]

5 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Does anyone believe we are in for a rebuild/ overhaul in the summer window with the moolah we've spaffed  in the last one ? Can't see it myself

 

 

 

There should be a lot of players leaving.

 

Ramsdale

Trippier

Krafth

Willock

Osula

 

And from the first XI there’s talk of Livramento, Tonali, and Gordon going.

 

At a bare minimum we need a GK, LB/CB, RB/CB, CM, and a ST. But realistically it might be 2/3 more.

[Matt1892]

8 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Does anyone believe we are in for a rebuild/ overhaul in the summer window with the moolah we've spaffed  in the last one ? Can't see it myself

 

 

 

We will because some of our better players will have their heads turned by offers coming in for them, which will free up money for an overhaul.

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, Kimbo said:

There should be a lot of players leaving.

 

Ramsdale

Trippier

Krafth

Willock

Osula

 

And from the first XI there’s talk of Livramento, Tonali, and Gordon going.

 

At a bare minimum we need a GK, LB/CB, RB/CB, CM, and a ST. But realistically it might be 2/3 more.

 

As mentioned in another thread, are we going to buy another striker without selling Wolte or Wissa? I can only see that happening if we change formation to play Wolte together with another striker.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Does anyone believe we are in for a rebuild/ overhaul in the summer window with the moolah we've spaffed  in the last one ? Can't see it myself

 

 

 

 

 

Depends on how much trust the owners have in Wilson's pedigree I suppose. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

16 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Does anyone believe we are in for a rebuild/ overhaul in the summer window with the moolah we've spaffed  in the last one ? Can't see it myself

 

 

 

 

Has Howe not already basically ruled it out by saying he doesn’t like large number of incomings/exits for the first team each window?

 

Only way we get a big rebuild as some think we need is if Howe is no longer here or they go over his head.

[Kimbo]

7 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

As mentioned in another thread, are we going to buy another striker without selling Wolte or Wissa? I can only see that happening if we change formation to play Wolte together with another striker.

I’m assuming Osula will need replacing.