Eddie Howe

[Milburn]

4 minutes ago, Antipode23 said:

I do hope that whenever Eddie goes, it happens in the right way.

 

I think his time is coming to an end, but he deserves a lot of gratitude for all the good he's done. Hopefully that's not forgotten.

The best manager we’ve had in modern times, no doubt. And a genuinely classy, professional man as well.

 

But as some have already pointed out: he’s been here for over four years. Most managerial cycles naturally come to an end even before that point. Things stagnate, ideas lose their edge, and players stop responding the same way.

 

That’s not a criticism unique to Howe, it’s just how modern football works. The question is whether we’re still evolving, or just repeating the same patterns and relying on the occasional late rally to get us out of trouble.

 

I don't see him coming back from this. This is the end game. 

[Decky]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Well not quite, they created a situation where there wasn’t a harmonious and functioning structure above and around Howe. We can’t go through every signing again, I don’t have the fingertip skin for that. 
 

He shouldn’t have ‘too much’ control, no manager should. But making that work depends on the roles being player by others too. 

 

The overriding question is can Howe be trusted on transfers. We had PSR issues under Amanda but there's no doubt her and her team were cooking with their targets. The signings during her time delivered massively and it's no surprise that they're the names being touted as leaving us this summer because we've went backwards. 

[GlamourBoys88]

I love Howe, but in crunch games he keeps getting outcoached. The only games I’ve seen him on point strategically this season are the PSG away game and Barca (home and 1st half away). He seriously needs to be more adaptable during games. And also, we’ve become sooo predictable. It took Barca 1.5 games to figure us out, and look what happened.

[SUPERTOON]

Who would people want if we did replace him?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

And they’re still challenging at the top of the league, amazing really. 

Won an FA Cup a few years later and we’re still challenging for years afterwards - ultimately being the third biggest club in the East Midlands had far more to do with gravity kicking in

[TRon]

1 minute ago, GlamourBoys88 said:

I think the majority of our players will stick around even if we miss out on Europe. Most likely to leave will be Tonali (we probably haven’t gotten the best out of him consistently so wouldn’t mind so long we make a decent profit), Tino (again, wouldn’t mind only if we get a good replacement who can play off both feet) and Gordon (biggest loss of all; his speed and versatility are immense for how we play). 

 

 

All our good players will leave if they get headhunted by the top clubs. If they can get to compete in CL and double their wages, why would they stay?

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

Who's responsible then? 

It's clear now that Howe should have thrown his hands up and said "not my job" when we had no CEO, our DoF walked out , and he was asked to step up.

 

The concept that he digged us out of a hole and had to do his best is a completely alien concept to far too many people. He accepted a hospital pass and got all of the blame for it.

[alexf]

10 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I’m going to say this now.

He did not and does not know how much these matters to supporters.

We had KO for the 2nd half, and he had us to that fucking thing where we kick the ball to them in order to press them.

Under no fucking circumstances should a Newcastle United team be handing over possession to Sunderland, if Sunderland did it we would be laughing. To make matters worse we didn’t even press them when they got the throw-in from it.

 

That fucked me off, and the fact that he’s stood there saying he knows how much this game means to the supporters is a spit in the face. 

 

That's because Ramsey kicked it straight out for a goal kick. We can't even execute the tedious routine that was lifted off psg from the summer. Atleast they have the players to actually put the ball in the corner. 

 

It set the tone for me 2nd half. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Decky said:

 

The overriding question is can Howe be trusted on transfers. We had PSR issues under Amanda but there's no doubt her and her team were cooking with their targets. The signings during her time delivered massively and it's no surprise that they're the names being touted as leaving us this summer because we've went backwards. 

I don’t feel like that’s the overriding question because the recruitment team should be in place to support him. Can he be a part of that team? I believe yes, he didn’t have any objections to Botman/Bruno/Tonali/Hall/Tino/Isak and the other great signings we made before. 
 

We’ve had a poor window made worse by injuries and bad form and therefore a bad season. 

[Holloway]

Has anyone considered that Eddie could walk away, like KK did ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

All our good players will leave if they get headhunted by the top clubs. If they can get to compete in CL and double their wages, why would they stay?

 

 

Well they’ll have to be told to stay won’t they? You can possibly let more than a couple go. It’s partly their fault we didn’t get CL.

[Decky]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's clear now that Howe should have thrown his hands up and said "not my job" when we had no CEO, our DoF walked out , and he was asked to step up.

 

The concept that he digged us out of a hole and had to do his best is a completely alien concept to far too many people. He accepted a hospital pass and got all of the blame for it.

 

Completely missed the point I was making. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Holloway said:

Has anyone considered that Eddie could walk away, like KK did ?

I think it’s possibly depending on what’s happening behind the scenes in preparing for the summer. It won’t be before the end of the season though. 

[ramirez]

For all the cup exploits this season I don’t think we’ve beaten anyone we weren’t expected to beat, maybe Villa away before the red. Pretty much par in cl and some kind draws in the league cup, credit deserved for getting so far but will ultimately be judged by league position.

[DevonGeordie]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I feel like I’d still be much more concerned with an unknown manager trying to get a tune out of our players than Howe being allowed another summer to coach and make signings. 
 

Probably why I’m so pro Howe is the massive risk involved in changing him. 

 

 

 

Know exactly what you mean mate.

 

But then it’s just rinse repeat. Under Eddie we would undoubtably have a better season next year more coaching time, week to prep for games, but then it’s just more of the same the season after if we get Europe. This is exactly what prevents Eddie from being an elite manager.

[Jordan]

The lightning rod for an absolute shitshow of a club off the field. We’ve got owners who talk the talk but do fuck all to back it up. The summer was a shitshow and its cost us all season. Recruitment was a mess, let our best player go on the last day and panic bought replacements that dont suit the squad. 

[Chicken Dancer]

Spunked hundreds of millions of shit in the summer and let that dross tak 6 points off us. Losing there you can understand, losing at home with a powderpuff performance you cant.

 

Deserves a statue, legend of a man. Time to go. 

[Antipode23]

1 minute ago, Holloway said:

Has anyone considered that Eddie could walk away, like KK did ?

 

I did think of that during the game. Maybe it'd be better that way?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, DevonGeordie said:

Know exactly what you mean mate.

 

But then it’s just rinse repeat. Under Eddie we would undoubtably have a better season next year more coaching time, week to prep for games, but then it’s just more of the same the season after if we get Europe. This is exactly what prevents Eddie from being an elite manager.

There's so little evidence for that though.  If he ever had a CL season with a CL-level squad who weren’t all injured, we could really see. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Decky said:

 

Completely missed the point I was making. 

How so? I read the original post, then you asked who's responsible then?

 

It's PIF who are ultimately to blame. 

[Dyeyzzon]

Just now, Chicken Dancer said:

Spunked hundreds of millions of shit in the summer and let that dross tak 6 points off us. Losing there you can understand, losing at home with a powderpuff performance you cant.

 

Deserves a statue, legend of a man. Time to go. 

 

I for one would still support the plan to name some road or alley the "Howe way"

[Jaqen]

10 minutes ago, johnny36 said:

This narrative that he won us a cup so he should be kept on wears thin

. Alex Mc Leish , Michael Laudrup and Steve McClaren won the same cup.. Roberto Martinez, Rodgers and Glasner won the FA Cup and they all got/will get peddled by their clubs

We cant afford blind loyalty.We have to be ruthless going forward..Our chairman made a public declaration that he wants us to be #1

 

Time to start acting it.

 

 

 

 

I mean he also got us champions league twice and our form across his whole tenure here is top 6. He's overachieved in general and has largely been a victim of his own success. Not helped by the daft soundbites from the club about aiming to be the best in the world which isn't realistic within the current financial restrictions. 

 

It's been a poor season there's no getting away from that. But there's alot of mitigating factors. 

 

 

[Holloway]

Just now, Antipode23 said:

 

I did think of that during the game. Maybe it'd be better that way?

He's an honest type is all, not that he should 

[RS]

19 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

He's been here for four years, is the fact that squad is mid table now not on him too?

FFP has obviously been a part. But Wissa and Elanga have been awful. They’ve got their big pay day and have retired. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

When we’re asking who’s to blame to we should probably specify who’s to blame for what? No disasters or anything, a poor season in a period of strong progress. Not a disaster and not a crisis. 

 

 

Edited March 22 by AyeDubbleYoo