Eddie Howe

[The Prophet]

16 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We obviously differ on a couple of points but I do respect your POV. 

 

one thing I could never quite grasp about last summer is what people think would have been different? Hand on heart we know the players we bought are the ones he wanted like. 

 

It'd be boring if we all agreed with each other.

 

A lack of Sporting Director deprived us of both an experienced negotiator and a fresh perspective.

 

I'd be lying if I sad  knew loads about Wilson, but he's been around the block and he'll form part of any transfer team moving forward.

 

That ability to move quicker on deals and perhaps look at targets that we hadn't previously considered can't be overlooked. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

4 minutes ago, astraguy said:

And let's not forget he was in hospital last year, yet some of our scum want to him gone already when we are down to the bare minimum. Khusanov/ Trafford sesko Ekitike Pedro delap oh what a difference they would of been 

 

This is such an odd point to make.

 

Our team would also be better with Salah, Kane, Yamal, Valverde and Semenyo in it.

 

It doesn’t mean we had a realistic chance to sign them, or they would join us.

 

The fact we wasted so much time chasing players who were unaffordable, unattainable or both make no difference to Howe’s tactical limitations.

[Danh1]

7 minutes ago, astraguy said:

And let's not forget he was in hospital last year, yet some of our scum want to him gone already when we are down to the bare minimum. Khusanov/ Trafford sesko Ekitike Pedro delap oh what a difference they would of been 

Scum

 

Fuck off you silly bastard 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

It'd be boring if we all agreed with each other.

 

A lack of Sporting Director deprived us of both an experienced negotiator and a fresh perspective.

 

I'd be lying if I sad  knew loads about Wilson, but he's been around the block and he'll form part of any transfer team moving forward.

 

That ability to move quicker on deals and perhaps look at targets that we hadn't previously considered can't be overlooked. 

Very true, debate is needed last thing we want is an echo chamber. My definition of a good poster is someone who poses sincerely don't expect them to agree with me.

 

A negotiatior doesn't help much imo, because all the players we missed out on eventually went to clubs with a better standing than what we have. We were punch drunk ok our cup success and forgot it's a cup nobody really cared about outside of Newcastle. I think generally Eddie is pretty clear in what he wants, it's why we hear the often repeated small pool or players and always to back for old targets. 

 

In terms of Wilson, it's where the alarm bells ring for me mind. He's a bit or nobody and doesn't have the reputation to bring in players of the next level. I do wonder how much influence he had a forest as well mind, marinakis doesn't strike me as the type to have over the reigns to anyone. If we want to be a top class club we need best in class and I dont think Ross Wilson has ever done anything to warrant that. 

 

We absolutely need a plan going in to the summer but I can't say I'm full of confidence given what we've got. 

[jackyboy]

People crying about Eddie not hanging things. He has not got the players to change things drastically.  Outside our regular 15 players from which comes the starting 11 he has very little quality available.  To say that he never learns is bullshit. During his time out the game after Bournemouth he traveled around Europe to learn from different coaches about how they trainand plan etc including Simeone

 

 

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

26 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I think we’re at the point where people are allowed to want a change if they please, surely? Earlier in the season people - including me - probably prematurely jumped the gun at times. But now with 7 games left I reckon it’s more than fair game.
 

We’ve been shite all season in the league save for a few decent performances, spent a fortune on shit, can’t hold on to a lead, can’t keep clean sheets and concede goals for fun.

 

Questions are being quite rightfully asked and thus far there’s been no solutions shown as we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. 
 

I’m not fooled by one off performances against ‘big’ teams at home. The majority of your points should come against the rest and we just ain’t getting them anymore. 
 

We’ll finish about 13th and people will just accept it because we done areet in the cups (we were dumped out of all competitions as soon as we played a good team btw).

 

Firstly this thread shows people aren't accepting it, even those that want Howe to remain are saying the league season hasn't been good and secondly are Villa not a good side?

[Jesse Pinkman]

6 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Scum

 

Fuck off you silly bastard 

The Eddie Howe FC lot have really gone off the deep end 

[Holmesy]

34 minutes ago, Wilson said:

 

Yet the same people who don't have that in depth knowledge know for a fact Eddie isn't capable of taking us forward despite seeing the teams he's capable of creating, just because he's had one tough/relentless season with a squad that wasn't ready to fight on 4 fronts. 

 

A tough relentless season fighting on 4 fronts thanks to the man himself, I'll add. 

I've thought he'd hit a ceiling a while ago and it comes down to some fundamental things - all of the most dominant teams at both club and international level are possession-based. They look after the ball and in doing so dictate the pace of the game (important when you're managing fatigue) professionally closing out games and tiring out the opposition by retaining the ball. It is the basis on which all teams that win consistently are built. We are not and never have been a possession team under EH and it doesn't look like there are any designs on being one.
Couple that with a workload that increases significantly when we get into Europe, causing us to have to abandon training and deal with a raft of injuries, and you have a setup that simply isn't fit for purpose.

 

Eddie's style has got us Champions League twice and won us a domestic cup but it won't take us any further. Sure, we might win another domestic trophy and get back into Europe when we have a lighter workload (the cycle repeating again) but unless our footballing philosophy changes, we won't go any further. He has stabilised us and given us some of the best memories we've ever had but if we do genuinely have aspirations of winning leagues and competing for major honours, it will have to be under someone else, unless Eddie completely rips up his playbook and does away with the kamikaze stuff.

I'm not slagging him off or saying he is a shit manager. He's a very good manager for teams with a certain level of ambition but he either needs to evolve significantly (and quickly) or move aside and let someone better build on the foundations he has created.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

The Eddie Howe FC lot have really gone off the deep end 

Two stupid posts don’t make a right. 

[Chicken Dancer]

4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Firstly this thread shows people aren't accepting it, even those that want Howe to remain are saying the league season hasn't been good and secondly are Villa not a good side?

Yeah Villa are good, I’ll give you that one. Though would the outcome have been different 11 v 11? Who knows. We were playing well up until the red card regardless to be fair. 

[Slim]

Howe has said constantly they don't have time to train players because of all the games. We all know that's this speciality. 

 

Hopefully see an upturn after the international break and finish in Europe of some kind. 

 

Rather give him the chance to fix this next season. Think he's owed that and has shown in the past he can overcome bad runs like this. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Slim

[JP]

6 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

People crying about Eddie not hanging things. He has not got the players to change things drastically.  Outside our regular 15 players from which comes the starting 11 he has very little quality available.  To say that he never learns is bullshit. During his time out the game after Bournemouth he traveled around Europe to learn from different coaches about how they trainand plan etc including Simeone

 

 

 

 

5 years and 10 transfer windows you'd expect the squad to be shaped well enough to be able to change things in games where plan A isn't working, no?

 

We rely on big games as underdogs to show our best performances, if you want to make the next step to consistently hit the top 6 you simply can't be that sort of team.

 

For 18 months now even our home games against bottom half sides have been a complete and utter slog. When did we last win a premier league game comfortably? Everton away is all I can think of out of 31 games this season. I get that the premier league is competitive across the board this season but i also believe we have a squad capable of much more than stumbling into wins at SJP against bottom half sides and our poor away form.

 

Slight tangent from the quoted post, admittedly.

 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I never quite understand this. People do it about players we signed in the summer too; ‘who would you have signed instead?’.

 

I’d not heard of a few managers in the Premier League before they came over here, same way I’d not heard of half of the signings Sunderland made in the summer. Yet they’ve just taken the piss out of us in our own backyard and every single one of them would have done a job for us this season. 
 

There’s people at the club paid hundreds of thousands of ££ to scout players and have an eye on coaches. Whether you trust them or not is a different thing altogether but the average football fan doesn’t have an in depth knowledge of players/coaches on the continent and beyond. 

 

 

 

How many of those managers you'd never heard of have been successful, trophy winning, Champions League qualifying managers either at the clubs they went to, or at the clubs they moved up to?

[Danh1]

2 minutes ago, JP said:

 

5 years and 10 transfer windows you'd expect the squad to be shaped well enough to be able to change things in games where plan A isn't working, no?

 

We rely on big games as underdogs to show our best performances, if you want to make the next step to consistently hit the top 6 you simply can't be that sort of team.

 

For 18 months now even our home games against bottom half sides have been a complete and utter slog. When did we last win a premier league game comfortably? Everton away is all I can think of out of 31 games this season. I get that the premier league is competitive across the board this season but i also believe we have a squad capable of much more than stumbling into wins at SJP against bottom half sides and our poor away form.

 

Slight tangent from the quoted post, admittedly.

 

 

 

Even Burnley at home, where they played more than half the game with ten men, was nearly thrown away.

 

It’s mad how much of a soft touch we are now. Ever since we were criticised for our shithousery we are as weak as piss.

 

Liverpool

Arsenal

Spurs 

Brentford

Everton

Mackems

 

All games we’ve conceded late goals in - and in most of them you could see it coming 

[Jesse Pinkman]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

How many of those managers you'd never heard of have been successful, trophy winning, Champions League qualifying managers either at the clubs they went to, or at the clubs they moved up to?

How many have had £500m to spend on a squad?

[Holmesy]

10 minutes ago, JP said:

 

5 years and 10 transfer windows you'd expect the squad to be shaped well enough to be able to change things in games where plan A isn't working, no?

 

We rely on big games as underdogs to show our best performances, if you want to make the next step to consistently hit the top 6 you simply can't be that sort of team.

 

For 18 months now even our home games against bottom half sides have been a complete and utter slog. When did we last win a premier league game comfortably? Everton away is all I can think of out of 31 games this season. I get that the premier league is competitive across the board this season but i also believe we have a squad capable of much more than stumbling into wins at SJP against bottom half sides and our poor away form.

 

Slight tangent from the quoted post, admittedly.

 

 

 

There has to be a desire to move away from plan A when it isn't working though. In Eddie's own words "if you have too many Plan Bs, it means your Plan A is flawed and your players are thinking what's next rather than trying to deliver Plan A to the best of their ability."

Our plan A is flawed, seriously flawed and Eddie's answer to it is to do more of plan A.

The lack of plan B and tactically inflexibility is something that has been levelled at him for 3 seasons, maybe more but we've had enough success that it was largely covered up. This season that weakness has been seriously exposed for the first time and it seems he has no answer because of the above mindset.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Holmesy

[Kid Icarus]

40 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I think we’re at the point where people are allowed to want a change if they please, surely? Earlier in the season people - including me - probably prematurely jumped the gun at times. But now with 7 games left I reckon it’s more than fair game.
 

We’ve been shite all season in the league save for a few decent performances, spent a fortune on shit, can’t hold on to a lead, can’t keep clean sheets and concede goals for fun.

 

Questions are being quite rightfully asked and thus far there’s been no solutions shown as we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. 
 

I’m not fooled by one off performances against ‘big’ teams at home. The majority of your points should come against the rest and we just ain’t getting them anymore. 
 

We’ll finish about 13th and people will just accept it because we done areet in the cups (we were dumped out of all competitions as soon as we played a good team btw).

 

And this same mindset doesn't apply to this season? ie not being fooled by one potentially below par seasons vs 4 of overachievement.

[JP]

1 minute ago, Danh1 said:

Even Burnley at home, where they played more than half the game with ten men, was nearly thrown away.

 

It’s mad how much of a soft touch we are now. Ever since we were criticised for our shithousery we are as weak as piss.

 

Liverpool

Arsenal

Spurs 

Brentford

Everton

Mackems

 

All games we’ve conceded late goals in - and in most of them you could see it coming 

 

Took the lead at:

 

West Ham away

Brentford away

Chelsea home 2-0

Liverpool away

 

On top of those above also. Said all season we can't defend our box and our best form of defence is pressing higher. At least 20 yards higher. But the manager then starts Trippier and Burn to negate that?

 

 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

And this same mindset doesn't apply to this season? ie not being fooled by one potentially below par seasons vs 4 of overachievement.

He won’t get sacked and he probably doesn’t deserve to be sacked if we are going to give him grace based on past results and achievements. However there’s 7 games left and anybody that wants a change is well within their rights to want one tbh. It’s been fucking dire all season. 

 

Not going to list the reasons why again but there’s quite a few why he couldn’t complain if he was peddled this morning. 

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, JP said:

 

Took the lead at:

 

West Ham away

Brentford away

Chelsea home 2-0

Liverpool away

 

On top of those above also. Said all season we can't defend our box and our best form of defence is pressing higher. At least 20 yards higher. But the manager then starts Trippier and Burn to negate that?

 

 

Equalised late on against Brighton and conceded a late goal too. 
 

Been such a draining season. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

How many have had £500m to spend on a squad?

Of the ones who got the job at a club already in the Champions League or looking to break into it, over 5 years (if they made that far) and tracked with inflation, probably more than you're hoping there is. 

[Chicken Dancer]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

How many of those managers you'd never heard of have been successful, trophy winning, Champions League qualifying managers either at the clubs they went to, or at the clubs they moved up to?

Sorry but what exactly had Howe done before he came here? The Bournemouth story was nice aye but in terms of the top level stuff he’s achieved here?

 

The answer is nowt because he didn’t have £750m to spend at Bournemouth. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I get emotions are high as yesterday was awful but diminishing what he did at Bournemouth is quite something 

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

He won’t get sacked and he probably doesn’t deserve to be sacked if we are going to give him grace based on past results and achievements. However there’s 7 games left and anybody that wants a change is well within their rights to want one tbh. It’s been fucking dire all season. 

 

Not going to list the reasons why again but there’s quite a few why he couldn’t complain if he was peddled this morning. 

 

I voted unhappy but willing to give him more time, when the poll went up.  I still feel like that.  

 

I'm not sure how I will feel at the end of the season.  But I can't agree with that last line at all.  

 

I think as an absolute bare minimum.  He deserves the rest of the season.  Not really sure what sacking him now would achieve? 

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, Geordie Ahmed said:

I get emotions are high as yesterday was awful but diminishing what he did at Bournemouth is quite something 

How to completely twist it? What he done at Bournemouth was lovely stuff and a lovely reminder at how special the football pyramid is.

 

The question I asked was what top level stuff had he achieved before he came to Newcastle? Champions League qualification, cup finals, trophy wins etc?