Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

15 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

 

They had 51pts after 31 games last season which is 9 more than we do now. Surely that’s managing/juggling/coping better?

 

9 more points now would have us 5th and everything feels a lot different. 

 

3 games into their mad run, having loaned 5 odd players in January who finally clicked. Prior to the start of that final run they were languishing in 10th and had been anything from 6th to 12th for the majority of the season. 

 

The point I'm making (and will end on again) is that Villa going on a run right at the end doesn't suddenly mean they managed the season well - they got those loans precisely because it was going so badly. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus

[Deuce]

I am looking forward to having the likes of Bruno, Schar, Miley, and Tonali back after the international break, which will also be a nice long rest period for the squad. Out of the cups, nothing but the league to focus on. No excuses for not finishing the season on a high note, particularly given the “easy” stretch run.

[Scottish Mag]

28 minutes ago, andycap said:

Well they should've got top five last season had it not been for a martinez headloss at old Trafford on the final day. 

“If that didn’t happen” is doing a lot of work there, you could do that with every team and completely change the table.

It’s not really an argument, just a hypothetical.

 

[andycap]

33 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

...and we should have got top five by beating Everton, but we didn't. Shit happens.

They had champions league we didn't was the point. 

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, andycap said:

They had champions league we didn't was the point. 

 

They had a pretty middling league season too until the final straight. Granted they did it by operating the loan market better than we ever have.

[andycap]

Howes squad management is playing a lot of his players in the wrong positions rather than trust the youth. 

Striker position we have 3 on the books who do we start up top? Gordon. 

Right back 3 on the books when tino got injured who did howe turn to? Miley/j Murphy.

Leftback two on the books if halls injured who does he turn to? Burn. 

Centre midfield if we have Injuries and Willock available who does he turn to? Woltemade. 

It's a wonder he hasn't put burn in the nets this season. 😂 

 

[J7]

3 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

So last summer when we had won our first trophy in over half a century and qualified for the CL for only the 2nd time in 20 years was around par?

 

He's got absolutely no chance when people are judging him with such absurdly insane expectations 

Last seasons league finishing position was par. Man Utd and Spurs were a shambles and Villa had the CL that we can’t seem to cope with, still finishing on level points. Given our squad, 5th was par which was perfectly fine. He’s not a miracle worker as some seem to suggest.

[Geordie Ahmed]

3 minutes ago, J7 said:

Last seasons league finishing position was par. Man Utd and Spurs were a shambles and Villa had the CL that we can’t seem to cope with, still finishing on level points. Given our squad, 5th was par which was perfectly fine. He’s not a miracle worker as some seem to suggest.

 

Other clubs being a shambles is irrelevant really, the fact is that we got CL and won a trophy, with the 8th highest wage bill, calling that a par season is absolutely absurd

 

Find me a single post which has suggested he is a miracle worker? 

[Geordie Ahmed]

27 minutes ago, andycap said:

Howes squad management is playing a lot of his players in the wrong positions rather than trust the youth. 

Striker position we have 3 on the books who do we start up top? Gordon. 

Right back 3 on the books when tino got injured who did howe turn to? Miley/j Murphy.

Leftback two on the books if halls injured who does he turn to? Burn. 

Centre midfield if we have Injuries and Willock available who does he turn to? Woltemade. 

It's a wonder he hasn't put burn in the nets this season. 😂 

 

 

Who were the 3 right backs that were available when he played Miley there?

[J7]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Other clubs being a shambles is irrelevant really, the fact is that we got CL and won a trophy, with the 8th highest wage bill, calling that a par season is absolutely absurd

 

Find me a single post which has suggested he is a miracle worker? 

It’s not irrelevant at all. They were no where (16th and 17th). 

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 minute ago, J7 said:

It’s not irrelevant at all. They were no where (16th and 17th). 

If you are going to discredit his high finishes because certain clubs are a shambles, are you going to be consistent and give him leeway for his lesser placed finishes because Brentford, Sunderland etc are well ran and organised? 

[Wolfcastle]

5 hours ago, Ellis H said:

 

I was there as well so no need to thrown the superfan card around. Robson was clearly hurt and disappointed by the actions of the fans that day which is enough for me. We'll never be happy and nothing will ever be good enough. 

 

 

Was defending the accusation of being 'embarrassing' from you specifically and 'scum' from someone else earlier not playing superfan cards. With the insinuation clearly that people that didn't like the way 03/04 went were bad fans, probably spoilt gloryhunters.

 

*for the record because its certainly wasn't my intention for it to come off like that and I'm not (hopefully) like that -I did admit booing Viana and not staying for the parade in the post so was hardly boasting and missed by choice plenty of cup ties before jacking in regularly going early on under Ashley and anything further than London always felt too far for an away game.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Wolfcastle

[J7]

4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

If you are going to discredit his high finishes because certain clubs are a shambles, are you going to be consistent and give him leeway for his lesser placed finishes because Brentford, Sunderland etc are well ran and organised? 

No. Any finish below 5th last season would have been a disappointment. Villa finishing above us given they had CL football wouldn’t have been good, and we shouldn’t have been finishing behind any one of those Forest, Brighton or Bournemouth teams. We finished where we should have. 

[huss9]

1 hour ago, Ellis H said:

 

Read the .com match report if you think the reaction had nothing to do with Robson. Plenty of "I was saying boo-urns" energy here.

i was there. extremely pissed off by the end.

but it was more to do with the performance and the result.

nowt personal against SBR from where we were sat.

[Geordie Ahmed]

3 minutes ago, J7 said:

No. Any finish below 5th last season would have been a disappointment. Villa finishing above us given they had CL football wouldn’t have been good, and we shouldn’t have been finishing behind any one of those Forest, Brighton or Bournemouth teams. We finished where we should have. 

Sounds like he can't win

 

Do mint and it's "aye, other clubs are a shambles so he hasn't really done anything special"

 

Do crap "absolute farce, even though other clubs are not a shambles and are well ran this is unacceptable and a disgrace" 

 

What about winning the league cup? Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea all a shambles so not an achievement? 

[Superior Acuña]

5 minutes ago, huss9 said:

i was there. extremely pissed off by the end.

but it was more to do with the performance and the result.

nowt personal against SBR from where we were sat.

 

Agreed, I was there too. 

 

I remember it being very toxic and I was not at all happy about our fans that day - but it's not true to say Bobby was hounded out. Although such a negative reaction to the team is clearly going to contribute to pressure on the manager.

[Ilovetoon8788]

3 hours ago, andycap said:

Howes squad management is playing a lot of his players in the wrong positions rather than trust the youth. 

Striker position we have 3 on the books who do we start up top? Gordon. 

Right back 3 on the books when tino got injured who did howe turn to? Miley/j Murphy.

Leftback two on the books if halls injured who does he turn to? Burn. 

Centre midfield if we have Injuries and Willock available who does he turn to? Woltemade. 

It's a wonder he hasn't put burn in the nets this season. 😂 

 

This is Howe biggest weakness. He doesn't trust the youths like other managers 

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

This is Howe biggest weakness. He doesn't trust the youths like other managers 

Which youths are you wanting him to trust?

[Groundhog63]

3 hours ago, andycap said:

Howes squad management is playing a lot of his players in the wrong positions rather than trust the youth. 

Striker position we have 3 on the books who do we start up top? Gordon. 

Right back 3 on the books when tino got injured who did howe turn to? Miley/j Murphy.

Leftback two on the books if halls injured who does he turn to? Burn. 

Centre midfield if we have Injuries and Willock available who does he turn to? Woltemade. 

It's a wonder he hasn't put burn in the nets this season. 😂 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

This is Howe biggest weakness. He doesn't trust the youths like other managers 

 

This is our fans biggest weakness, well this and being fickle.

Our younguns aren't fucking good enough, otherwise he would play them.

It's not rocket science. Obvs our youth set up is steadily improving but nowhere near the Cartel's standard. Yet.

 

 

[Zero]

It’s also not rocket science that if you don’t give them game time to develop they won’t make it. Look at Anderson’s progress at Forest.

 

 

It’s a weak argument. Give me a reason why we need to run Trippier to the ground and not giving Shahar any minutes.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Zero said:

It’s also not rocket science that if you don’t give them game time to develop they won’t make it. Look at Anderson’s progress at Forest.

 

 

It’s a weak argument. Give me a reason why we need to run Trippier to the ground and not giving Shahar any minutes.

Anderson had a loan and played a full season. shahar was an academy signing and only getting a look to make the numbers up. 

 

Why are people advocating for players who obviously aren't ready?

[MagPar]

5 hours ago, Deuce said:

I am looking forward to having the likes of Bruno, Schar, Miley, and Tonali back after the international break, which will also be a nice long rest period for the squad. Out of the cups, nothing but the league to focus on. No excuses for not finishing the season on a high note, particularly given the “easy” stretch run.

"Easy"! Have you seen our results and performances against midtable and relegation clubs? Unless something changes our only chance of any points in the final games is against a choking Arsenal away.

[Zero]

31 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Anderson had a loan and played a full season. shahar was an academy signing and only getting a look to make the numbers up. 

 

Why are people advocating for players who obviously aren't ready?

1. Shahar is already the most outstanding candidate from the youth team, he fucking deserves a chance, if he is not ready then no one else is ready.

 

2. What’s the point to NOT try when Trippier is dying out there?

 

3. Imagine you are the youngsters. The best of the youth team got selected for the bench warming role only. No chance given even if the club is short of players. The first thing coming into your mind is not to work harder, but to ask your agent to find an exit route. And if I am the parents, I would also tell my son to join other clubs for a better chance.

 

You need to show the potential candidates that they would get a chance in the future in order to attract them. You might not have a Gascoigne in your youth team that you can plug and play now, but by building up your reputation, you can attract the next Gascoigne to join and play for you in the future. 
 

If you really want to have a good youth team to support your long term growth, you need reputation to attract talents from all over the world, and not just rely on geordies that naturally born as the club fan like Longstaff and Miley family. This is not youth development. This is just praying for luck.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Zero

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Zero said:

1. Shahar is already the most outstanding candidate from the youth team, he fucking deserves a chance, if he is not ready then no one else is ready.

 

2. What’s the point to NOT try when Trippier is dying out there?

 

3. Imagine you are the youngsters. The best of the youth team got selected for the bench warming role only. No chance given even if the club is short of players. The first thing coming into your mind is not to work harder, but to ask your agent to find an exit route. And if I am the parents, I would also tell my son to join other clubs for a better chance.

 

You need to show the potential candidates that they would get a chance in the future in order to attract them. You might not have a Gascoigne in your youth team that you can plug and play now, but by building up your reputation, you can attract the next Gascoigne to join and play for you in the future. 
 

If you really want to have a good youth team to support your long term growth, you need reputation to attract talents from all over the world, and not just rely on geordies that naturally born as the club fan like Longstaff and Miley family. This is not youth development. This is just praying for luck.

 

 

 

He's turned 19 and Tino is back. we have precisely zero evidence to suggest he's ready to contribute at this level yet. That doesn't mean he won't in the future but he's not ready. 

 

Eddie has given chance to youth it's a very odd stick to beat him with and I'm someone who is actually unsure about him being the right person to take the next step with us. 

[Teslact]

7 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Howe's training philosophy is to treat games and training as one and the same, and that games are an extension of training, we know this.

 

Repetition is also how you improve like, it's not simply a case of the whole definition of insanity thing.

Or as my PE teacher used to say, "What does practice make?" and everyone would reply "Perfect!" to which we got "Bollocks does it, correct practice makes perfect".

 

You would think that between games it would be light enough to work on training aspects like skills (knowing where the fucking sideline is) and team play (what colour socks we will be wearing to pass to). They shouldn't need to be killing themselves physically when the games are coming every 3-4 days.

 

Edit: Howe in, but there have been good comments on both sides I've agreed with.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Teslact
Howe in