Eddie Howe

[Chicken Dancer]

3 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I'm going in the other direction, I'm now 70/30 to get rid. Wouldn't surprise me if he resigns end of May. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the article today in the i, can't see him liking those conditions and that may force him to leave. He'll not want to lose that level of control but he has to accept that the DOF is his immediate boss and will set the clubs on field strategy, including around player trading and recruitment. 

 

My biggest criticism of Howe, and this is being exposed nearly every game especially on Sunday, is his inability to make in game tweaks and changes. We often take the lead, but the opposition know that we'll play at least 80 minutes with 433 and a massive gap between defence and midfield. All they need to do is sit in and not be two goals begin by 60 minutes and they'll get a draw or win. Must have happened 10-15 times this season, what's the definition of insanity again! The mackems tweaked their midfield after 30 mins or so and helped them win the game. In his own words we dont need a Plan B. Its just do Plan A better. We must be the easiest team in the PL to set up against. 

 

One of KKs biggest assets was how ruthless he was at selling players. Cole when top scorer, Kelly was top scorer and scored a hat trick then was sold before playing another game, even Quinn when he was scoring. Howe needs to forced to move on the deadwood as a full rebuild is needed. History suggests he'll not be receptive to this. Off the top of my head we need to shift.

 

Pope, and dont sign Ramsdale.

Tripper.

Burn or Schar, can't keep both.

Tino, wants the move so let him go.

Willock.

Tonali, seems to want away so take the cash.

Joelinton, last chance of a big fee.

Murphy, see above.

Barnes, see above. But keep him if Gordon pushes to leave.

Woltemade, unless we replace Howe with a manager who has a clue how to use him.

 

Fuck knows what we need to do with Elanga and Wissa. I'm relying on Wilaon to do some magic and for Howe to be told to go along with it.

 

I'm being a real harsh bastard here, but something has to give. The players are no longer responding to Howe and his team. He's not lost the dressing room or any bullshit like that but he seems unable to motivate them for so many games, and he's pretty much acknowledged this himself. Which is why I think he may resign. Five years is a long time to be at one club without changing your coaching team or reinventing your style of play. Its all gone stale, something has to give and change. 

 

Good post and summarised my thinking well. The fact the same things are happening time and time again is the red flag for me. 
 

I hate the thought of it getting nasty for him, he definitely doesn’t deserve that, and also hate the fact I’m wanting a change. 
 

I don’t think he leaves if I’m being honest, but at the very least I’d like to see him add a coach or two to his backroom staff with some fresh ideas. He won’t like, as I doubt he’d relinquish any sort of control. But the best of the best have done that and it’s worked for them.

[Stuy_O]

 

If the players spit their dummies out because they were booed off on Sunday then that only strengthens the theory that they didn't get the significance of this fixture. And I wonder if they still don't. 

 

They'll have to get on with it, paid outrageous sums of money to get turned over twice by your arch rivals, a team in your heads you think you're superior too. The supporters are the last people to blame for that and have given these players some incredible support for the last 4 years. 

 

Eddie needs to sort it out of course but he's been badly let down by his players imo. How quickly he tried to shoot down the question regarding if they underestimated Sunderland I thought was telling. I doubt he did, but I'm not sure same can be said of those who played, with further suspicion raised by Anthony Gordons arrogant post match comments. 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Stuy_O

[Colos Short and Curlies]

24 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Had to go back and check and this is just not true

 

Miley played Right Back against Fulham, the midfield that day was Bruno, Ramsey and Willock and we had Sandro and Joelinton on the bench, how is that light?

 

And how many of those midfielders have subsequently played through knocks or had spells out injured?

 

Not just about one game, we took a midfield option out by playing him right back (where he did exceptionally well) when we had an option on the bench with as much first team experience at right back. Its also not  not about putting 6/7 kids into a cup game, its using a situation to see if a highly rated youngster can short term fit in the first 11 to help in an acute crisis

 

Fast forward, there's a good chance that Tino leaves this summer and Howe has no idea if he needs to get 1 or 2 right backs in, next season we're in exactly the same position in not knowing if he is up to it, only he is a year older. As much as we'd love it to be as simple as concentrating on the next game or next handful the job is also forward planning, something we didn't do last season or this season and now leading us to a summer of massive upheaval 

[TRon]

31 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

No matter how much any of us try to play it down, beating Sunderland is always top (or very near) the priority list when the fixture list comes out. 
 

We’ve not beaten them in the league since Ryan Taylor and not on Tyneside since that 5-1. Yes, they’ve not been in the league for a long spell but there’s been 6 home leagues games against since that and 5 away. We’ve not won any of them. Obvious this group weren’t here for the vast majority of them but let’s not pretend it’s anything but an absolute farce. 
 

Add in the fact that we’ve recently won a trophy, had two spells in the Champions League and have spent an absolute fortune in comparison to them in their absence. 
 

Finally, there was the complete non-performance at their place in December. 
 

They owed us a result and at the very least a decent performance and we got neither. There was only one team winning that second half and it wasn’t us. In fact it was a carbon copy of so many games this season I’ve lost count. 
 

It was always going to be the tipping point for many. It may be small time to think that way but it’s always the case when it comes to derby games. The reaction would have been entirely different if it was Brighton, I can assure you that.
 

People are rightly pissed off -  I’m still fuming now tbh, as you can probably tell  

 

 

 

 

 

We lost twice to our local rivals who's whole squad cost less than three of our players. I really don't know what excuse there can be which explains that away. You can't even call it a fluke. 

[Mikky]

8 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I'm going in the other direction, I'm now 70/30 to get rid. Wouldn't surprise me if he resigns end of May. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the article today in the i, can't see him liking those conditions and that may force him to leave. He'll not want to lose that level of control but he has to accept that the DOF is his immediate boss and will set the clubs on field strategy, including around player trading and recruitment. 

 

My biggest criticism of Howe, and this is being exposed nearly every game especially on Sunday, is his inability to make in game tweaks and changes. We often take the lead, but the opposition know that we'll play at least 80 minutes with 433 and a massive gap between defence and midfield. All they need to do is sit in and not be two goals begin by 60 minutes and they'll get a draw or win. Must have happened 10-15 times this season, what's the definition of insanity again! The mackems tweaked their midfield after 30 mins or so and helped them win the game. In his own words we dont need a Plan B. Its just do Plan A better. We must be the easiest team in the PL to set up against. 

 

One of KKs biggest assets was how ruthless he was at selling players. Cole when top scorer, Kelly was top scorer and scored a hat trick then was sold before playing another game, even Quinn when he was scoring. Howe needs to forced to move on the deadwood as a full rebuild is needed. History suggests he'll not be receptive to this. Off the top of my head we need to shift.

 

Pope, and dont sign Ramsdale.

Tripper.

Burn or Schar, can't keep both.

Tino, wants the move so let him go.

Willock.

Tonali, seems to want away so take the cash.

Joelinton, last chance of a big fee.

Murphy, see above.

Barnes, see above. But keep him if Gordon pushes to leave.

Woltemade, unless we replace Howe with a manager who has a clue how to use him.

 

Fuck knows what we need to do with Elanga and Wissa. I'm relying on Wilaon to do some magic and for Howe to be told to go along with it.

 

I'm being a real harsh bastard here, but something has to give. The players are no longer responding to Howe and his team. He's not lost the dressing room or any bullshit like that but he seems unable to motivate them for so many games, and he's pretty much acknowledged this himself. Which is why I think he may resign. Five years is a long time to be at one club without changing your coaching team or reinventing your style of play. Its all gone stale, something has to give and change. 

 

For me, Ramsdale, Trippier, Krafth, Burn, Willock, Murphy, Osula, Wissa all go and get replaced (with Krafth you buy a LB)

 

Gillespie and Ruddy binned 

 

I would rather keep Schar than Burn and retain Alex Murphy for 1 year just as an emergency cover 

 

GK

RB, LB, CB

CM

RW

9

All round forward 

 

Then god knows with Tonali and Tino 

 

 

 

[Mikky]

It’s all about having a strategy - we’ve not had one in 2 years 

 

 

[Whitley mag]

The remaining games this season have become very big. Should we see more bad results and calamitous defending I’m not convinced he survives.

 

The noise will only get louder and there’s only so many times you can keep coming out with the sound bites he has recently after games.

 

If he finishes strongly and we change our approach in the summer then it’s probably a different story. I just think he needs to get away from this 4-3-3, it doesn’t work without a world class forward, the gaps between the midfield and defence are amateur and he needs to evolve to a possession based game.

 

I see no evidence of our style evolving, it’s regressed, in game tactics have been highlighted, bar reverting to a back 5 to see out games occasionally I’ve seen nothing but like for like changes. 
 

One of the most damning things I read this season was Longstaff saying training at Leeds was different as they use the ball more.

 

Finally, we need fucking technical players who can pass the ball and create.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Whitley mag

[Superior Acuña]

I didn’t boo, and wouldn’t boo this team who I think are a good bunch and have given us a lot. I’d strongly oppose booing in the other games. However, I felt badly let down this weekend and I don’t really blame people for doing it on this occasion, especially as it followed the away disappointment. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing that they heard on this occasion how let down people felt (though it’s somewhat diluted by people booing any old loss!)

 

Personally I’ve stayed and waited toclap the players on their little lap, every game win or lose under Eddie. Sunday was the first time I didn’t clap (seat position/line to get out meant I couldn’t leave in time to make a point though )

 

 

Edited March 24 by Superior Acuña

[Geordie Ahmed]

7 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

And how many of those midfielders have subsequently played through knocks or had spells out injured?

 

Not just about one game, we took a midfield option out by playing him right back (where he did exceptionally well) when we had an option on the bench with as much first team experience at right back. Its also not  not about putting 6/7 kids into a cup game, its using a situation to see if a highly rated youngster can short term fit in the first 11 to help in an acute crisis

 

Fast forward, there's a good chance that Tino leaves this summer and Howe has no idea if he needs to get 1 or 2 right backs in, next season we're in exactly the same position in not knowing if he is up to it, only he is a year older. As much as we'd love it to be as simple as concentrating on the next game or next handful the job is also forward planning, something we didn't do last season or this season and now leading us to a summer of massive upheaval 

 

I just can't get on board with this thinking

 

We ultimately had 5 CM's to cover 3 positions

 

As for RB, the 3 we had were all injured and if Shahar isn't ready then playing Miley there made total sense

 

And ultimately Howe sees Shahar far closer than we do so he's better placed to decide if he's ready, as much as fans will say "just give them a go", "how bad can it be?", "got to be sink or swim" etc etc Howe has a responsibility to these youngsters, if he chucks in a kid that isn't ready and it harms his long term future then that is terrible management 

[TK-421]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

I just can't get on board with this thinking

 

We ultimately had 5 CM's to cover 3 positions

 

As for RB, the 3 we had were all injured and if Shahar isn't ready then playing Miley there made total sense

 

And ultimately Howe sees Shahar far closer than we do so he's better placed to decide if he's ready, as much as fans will say "just give them a go", "how bad can it be?", "got to be sink or swim" etc etc Howe has a responsibility to these youngsters, if he chucks in a kid that isn't ready and it harms his long term future then that is terrible management 

If thats the case, I don't understand why he includes him (Shahar) and even Neave in the squads, if he doesn't think they are ready to play. Does he only put them in for the experience of being part of a PL 1st team matchday squad? At some point when they are on the bench, he might be forced to use them (injuries/sending off). 

[Geordie Ahmed]

3 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

If thats the case, I don't understand why he includes him (Shahar) and even Neave in the squads, if he doesn't think they are ready to play. Does he only put them in for the experience of being part of a PL 1st team matchday squad? At some point when they are on the bench, he might be forced to use them (injuries/sending off). 

 

I think it is an experience thing, giving them more and more exposure to how it is on a match day

 

We have 9 subs on the bench so something quite drastic would have to go wrong for us to end up having to play a kid that isn't ready 

[TK-421]

Just now, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

I think it is an experience thing, giving them more and more exposure to how it is on a match day

 

We have 9 subs on the bench so something quite drastic would have to go wrong for us to end up having to play a kid that isn't ready 

 

Yeah, but sometimes 3 of them are keepers!!! 

[Mikky]

11 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The remaining games this season have become very big. Should we see more bad results and calamitous defending I’m not convinced he survives.

 

The noise will only get louder and there’s only so many times you can keep coming out with the sound bites he has recently after games.

 

If he finishes strongly and we change our approach in the summer then it’s probably a different story. I just think he needs to get away from this 4-3-3, it doesn’t work without a world class forward, the gaps between the midfield and defence are amateur and he needs to evolve to a possession based game.

 

I see no evidence of our style evolving, it’s regressed, in game tactics have been highlighted, bar reverting to a back 5 to see out games occasionally I’ve seen nothing but like for like changes. 
 

One of the most damning things I read this season was Longstaff saying training at Leeds was different as they use the ball more.

 

Finally, we need fucking technical players who can pass the ball and create.

 

 

 

Calamitous defending … there isn’t a club in the PL that has conceded the amount of soft goals we have - in my 35 years of supporting this club I haven’t seen us concede goals like we have this season - it’s Sunday League level defending - whether it’s individually, as a back line or as a team 

[SUPERTOON]

15 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The remaining games this season have become very big. Should we see more bad results and calamitous defending I’m not convinced he survives.

 

The noise will only get louder and there’s only so many times you can keep coming out with the sound bites he has recently after games.

 

If he finishes strongly and we change our approach in the summer then it’s probably a different story. I just think he needs to get away from this 4-3-3, it doesn’t work without a world class forward, the gaps between the midfield and defence are amateur and he needs to evolve to a possession based game.

 

I see no evidence of our style evolving, it’s regressed, in game tactics have been highlighted, bar reverting to a back 5 to see out games occasionally I’ve seen nothing but like for like changes. 
 

One of the most damning things I read this season was Longstaff saying training at Leeds was different as they use the ball more.

 

Finally, we need fucking technical players who can pass the ball and create.

 

 

 

 Funny coming from Longstaff mind, he was horrendous on the ball.

[SUPERTOON]

I can understand the concerns, but if we can’t give Howe the chance to rebuild and go again, after what he has achieved with us then I really will be gutted tbh. I was angry on Sunday, but am fully behind him getting the summer and next season. He’s the right man still to be given the chance.

[Geordie Ahmed]

5 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

 

Yeah, but sometimes 3 of them are keepers!!! 

Fair point 

[Danh1]

4 minutes ago, Mikky said:

Calamitous defending … there isn’t a club in the PL that has conceded the amount of soft goals we have - in my 35 years of supporting this club I haven’t seen us concede goals like we have this season - it’s Sunday League level defending - whether it’s individually, as a back line or as a team 

Finally saw a good defensive performance at Chelsea away. The same back 4 didn’t play together in the following 2 - conceded 7 and then 2 pathetic goals.

[hallihg]

43 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I'm going in the other direction, I'm now 70/30 to get rid. Wouldn't surprise me if he resigns end of May. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the article today in the i, can't see him liking those conditions and that may force him to leave. He'll not want to lose that level of control but he has to accept that the DOF is his immediate boss and will set the clubs on field strategy, including around player trading and recruitment. 

 

My biggest criticism of Howe, and this is being exposed nearly every game especially on Sunday, is his inability to make in game tweaks and changes. We often take the lead, but the opposition know that we'll play at least 80 minutes with 433 and a massive gap between defence and midfield. All they need to do is sit in and not be two goals begin by 60 minutes and they'll get a draw or win. Must have happened 10-15 times this season, what's the definition of insanity again! The mackems tweaked their midfield after 30 mins or so and helped them win the game. In his own words we dont need a Plan B. Its just do Plan A better. We must be the easiest team in the PL to set up against. 

 

One of KKs biggest assets was how ruthless he was at selling players. Cole when top scorer, Kelly was top scorer and scored a hat trick then was sold before playing another game, even Quinn when he was scoring. Howe needs to forced to move on the deadwood as a full rebuild is needed. History suggests he'll not be receptive to this. Off the top of my head we need to shift.

 

Pope, and dont sign Ramsdale.

Tripper.

Burn or Schar, can't keep both.

Tino, wants the move so let him go.

Willock.

Tonali, seems to want away so take the cash.

Joelinton, last chance of a big fee.

Murphy, see above.

Barnes, see above. But keep him if Gordon pushes to leave.

Woltemade, unless we replace Howe with a manager who has a clue how to use him.

 

Fuck knows what we need to do with Elanga and Wissa. I'm relying on Wilaon to do some magic and for Howe to be told to go along with it.

 

I'm being a real harsh bastard here, but something has to give. The players are no longer responding to Howe and his team. He's not lost the dressing room or any bullshit like that but he seems unable to motivate them for so many games, and he's pretty much acknowledged this himself. Which is why I think he may resign. Five years is a long time to be at one club without changing your coaching team or reinventing your style of play. Its all gone stale, something has to give and change. 

 

Great post

[AyeDubbleYoo]

6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I can understand the concerns, but if we can’t give Howe the chance to rebuild and go again, after what he has achieved with us then I really will be gutted tbh. I was angry on Sunday, but am fully behind him getting the summer and next season. He’s the right man still to be given the chance.

 

Can't be any other way. 

[The Prophet]

While I agree Edward is a bit of a control freak, I'm not sure he has or wants the level of authority that some fans think that he has regarding transfers.

 

Howe has consistently spoken of a collaborative approach and not being hugely involved in talent ID or the financial aspects of a transfer. He's also worked with Richard Hughes and Dan Ashworth and by all accounts got along well with both. The evidence doesn't point to him wanting a huge amount of control in this area, I'm not really sure where it comes from.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The Prophet said:

While I agree Edward is a bit of a control freak, I'm not sure he has or wants the level of authority that some fans think that he has regarding transfers.

 

Howe has consistently spoken of a collaborative approach and not being hugely involved in talent ID or the financial aspects of a transfer. He's also worked with Richard Hughes and Dan Ashworth and by all accounts got along well with both. The evidence doesn't point to him wanting a huge amount of control in this area, I'm not really sure where it comes from.

 

Quite a few things that people ascribe to Howe are more like urban myths that have been repeated so many times they're accepted now.  

[Mikky]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

While I agree Edward is a bit of a control freak, I'm not sure he has or wants the level of authority that some fans think that he has regarding transfers.

 

Howe has consistently spoken of a collaborative approach and not being hugely involved in talent ID or the financial aspects of a transfer. He's also worked with Richard Hughes and Dan Ashworth and by all accounts got along well with both. The evidence doesn't point to him wanting a huge amount of control in this area, I'm not really sure where it comes from.

These guys - Howe, Wilson, Suds, Senior Scouts need to sit down (or should have sat down multiple times now ) and developed a clear strategy going forward - the last 2 years have been a disaster - the summer CAN repair a lot of damage but they will need to work around the clock with a number of targets identified and checks done to move these transfers on 

[Mikky]

16 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Finally saw a good defensive performance at Chelsea away. The same back 4 didn’t play together in the following 2 - conceded 7 and then 2 pathetic goals.

It was blind loyalty to Trippier and Burn - 2 players who lack basic mobility now 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Mikky said:

It was blind loyalty to Trippier and Burn - 2 players who lack basic mobility now 

Thiaw has been desperately needing a rest for weeks, it was the right call to rotate him. Howe can’t be criticised for not rotating the squad, then be criticised when he does.

[The Prophet]

Also I doubt Tino is fully fit.