Eddie Howe

[Danh1]

7 minutes ago, Mikky said:

It was blind loyalty to Trippier and Burn - 2 players who lack basic mobility now 

I thought maybe Livramento was being rested in Barca but then Trippier started Sunday. 
 

Burn looking slower than ever. Worse on the ball than ever. 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Danh1

[Wolfcastle]

2 hours ago, 1881 said:

But that proves the point about expectations. The great years under Keegan raised expectations that made the Dalglish and Gullit years seem worse. It is the same principle. 
 

And at  that time we were financially better off in a comparative sense. Probably still in the top ten rich list and with no great gaps between the teams.

 

I would say our standards are higher than they were then but that does not mean matches like Sunday will not happen. There were bad games under Keegan too.

 

Nobody wants to lose to Sunderland, but we are making ourselves look “small time” by reacting so strongly. There were plenty of comments on this forum ridiculing Sunderland fans for the importance they were placing on this match (“their Cup Final”), but then people reacting as if we had just lost one.

 

 

We look small time by being okay with this season and its not about losing to Sunderland its about being in the bottom half of the table playing shit and losing to Sunderland. People are pointing out a multitude of reasons why they've got concerns its not just 'bin him he lost to Sunderland' that's a misrepresentation if not an avoidance. I don't even rate the derby as all that but losing to them twice after turning in pitiful displays and being behind them in the league is poor form well worthy of questioning whether its Sunderland, Luton or Burnley.

Dalglish's season was objectively bad in itself irrespective of Keegan's success. It wasn't seen as good in the 80s (Charlton and newly promoted) with no previous success.

But In any scenario with a drops off like that its bad and worthy of questioning.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Wolfcastle

[macphisto]

1 hour ago, 500bhp said:

I'm going in the other direction, I'm now 70/30 to get rid. Wouldn't surprise me if he resigns end of May. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the article today in the i, can't see him liking those conditions and that may force him to leave. He'll not want to lose that level of control but he has to accept that the DOF is his immediate boss and will set the clubs on field strategy, including around player trading and recruitment. 

 

My biggest criticism of Howe, and this is being exposed nearly every game especially on Sunday, is his inability to make in game tweaks and changes. We often take the lead, but the opposition know that we'll play at least 80 minutes with 433 and a massive gap between defence and midfield. All they need to do is sit in and not be two goals begin by 60 minutes and they'll get a draw or win. Must have happened 10-15 times this season, what's the definition of insanity again! The mackems tweaked their midfield after 30 mins or so and helped them win the game. In his own words we dont need a Plan B. Its just do Plan A better. We must be the easiest team in the PL to set up against. 

 

One of KKs biggest assets was how ruthless he was at selling players. Cole when top scorer, Kelly was top scorer and scored a hat trick then was sold before playing another game, even Quinn when he was scoring. Howe needs to forced to move on the deadwood as a full rebuild is needed. History suggests he'll not be receptive to this. Off the top of my head we need to shift.

 

Pope, and dont sign Ramsdale.

Tripper.

Burn or Schar, can't keep both.

Tino, wants the move so let him go.

Willock.

Tonali, seems to want away so take the cash.

Joelinton, last chance of a big fee.

Murphy, see above.

Barnes, see above. But keep him if Gordon pushes to leave.

Woltemade, unless we replace Howe with a manager who has a clue how to use him.

 

Fuck knows what we need to do with Elanga and Wissa. I'm relying on Wilaon to do some magic and for Howe to be told to go along with it.

 

I'm being a real harsh bastard here, but something has to give. The players are no longer responding to Howe and his team. He's not lost the dressing room or any bullshit like that but he seems unable to motivate them for so many games, and he's pretty much acknowledged this himself. Which is why I think he may resign. Five years is a long time to be at one club without changing your coaching team or reinventing your style of play. Its all gone stale, something has to give and change. 

 

You can't compare Keegan to Howe when it comes to strikers. The game is completely different where there is a complete lack of strikers available in the game. It's why you have old strikers leading the line at Bayern and Barcelona and the reason Isak went for so much. 

 

We're also not going to get big money for Joelinton and some of the other players you mention as the bottom has dropped out of the market for players in their late 20s. Everyone is now trying to sign young players due to PSR. You don't see signings like Robson made at Middlesbrough, Redknapp at Portsmouth and Newcastle under Souness anymore. 

 

When comparing Howe and Keegan it's also worth comparing trophies and available transfer funds where Keegan broke the world record for a defender and a forward without winning anything.

[The Prophet]

14 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

We look small time by being okay with this season and its not about losing to Sunderland its about being in the bottom half of the table playing shit and losing to Sunderland. People are pointing out a multitude of reasons why they've got concerns its not just 'bin him he lost to Sunderland' that's a misrepresentation if not an avoidance. I don't even rate the derby as all that but losing to them twice after turning in pitiful displays and being behind them in the league is poor form well worthy of questioning whether its Sunderland, Luton or Burnley.

Dalglish's season was objectively bad in itself irrespective of Keegan's success. It wasn't seen as acceptable in the 80s (Charlton) without any previous success. In any scenario if you see drops offs like that are anything but bad and questioning worthy.

 

 

 

 

To who though?

[Mikky]

32 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Thiaw has been desperately needing a rest for weeks, it was the right call to rotate him. Howe can’t be criticised for not rotating the squad, then be criticised when he does.

You have a 3 week break post the derby, arguably your most important match of the season in terms of league position - you don’t rest your best CB this season. 

[Ameritoon]

1 hour ago, Superior Acuña said:

Personally I’ve stayed and waited toclap the players on their little lap, every game win or lose under Eddie. Sunday was the first time I didn’t clap (seat position/line to get out meant I couldn’t leave in time to make a point though )

 

 

 

 

Same, I was straight down the stairs at the final whistle, which I've never done before. Granted the sample size is like 12 matches, but I've never felt worse in a football ground and I stood through the entire second half in Barcelona.

[500bhp]

5 minutes ago, macphisto said:

You can't compare Keegan to Howe when it comes to strikers. The game is completely different where there is a complete lack of strikers available in the game. It's why you have old strikers leading the line at Bayern and Barcelona and the reason Isak went for so much. 

 

We're also not going to get big money for Joelinton and some of the other players you mention as the bottom has dropped out of the market for players in their late 20s. Everyone is now trying to sign young players due to PSR. You don't see signings like Robson made at Middlesbrough, Redknapp at Portsmouth and Newcastle under Souness anymore. 

 

When comparing Howe and Keegan it's also worth comparing trophies and available transfer funds where Keegan broke the world record for a defender and a forward without winning anything.

 

Keegan took a team from 23rd in the second division to finish second in the top division in 4 years or so. True, he didn't win a trophy but finishing 2nd in PL is on par with winning the LC in my view. I say that as someone who was virtually in tears at Wembley when we lifted that trophy. 

 

If only the bottom had dropped out of the market for players in late 20s. I heard that some PL team signed a 29 year old striker for £55m last summer.....

[Wolfcastle]

10 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

To who though?

To anybody that thinks were better than being bottom half, better than playing poorly against modest opposition and better than losing to their should-be inferior local rivals I guess.

Its the way Coventry will go on next season 'oh well, lost again, didn't play well but the players tried, and were lucky to be here'.

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

To anybody that thinks were better than being bottom half, better than playing poorly against modest opposition and better than losing to their should-be inferior local rivals I guess.

Its the way Coventry will go on next season 'oh well, lost again, didn't play well but the players tried, and were lucky to be here'.

 

But we can accept this season is below par and not the desired target, whilst not making any knee-jerk decisions.

[macphisto]

11 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

 

Keegan took a team from 23rd in the second division to finish second in the top division in 4 years or so. True, he didn't win a trophy but finishing 2nd in PL is on par with winning the LC in my view. I say that as someone who was virtually in tears at Wembley when we lifted that trophy. 

 

If only the bottom had dropped out of the market for players in late 20s. I heard that some PL team signed a 29 year old striker for £55m last summer.....

Yes, and that's because there's a severe lack of strikers as I said. It's very rare to see older players in other positions go for good money now.

 

Big difference between finishing 2nd and winning, irrespective of the competition.

 

Not to diminish what Keegan did, great times just like we've had great times under Howe. It's why I'd give either of them the benefit of the doubt and fully support them when the team is not doing well. 

 

 

[Jonas]

27 minutes ago, macphisto said:

You can't compare Keegan to Howe when it comes to strikers. The game is completely different where there is a complete lack of strikers available in the game. It's why you have old strikers leading the line at Bayern and Barcelona and the reason Isak went for so much. 

 

We're also not going to get big money for Joelinton and some of the other players you mention as the bottom has dropped out of the market for players in their late 20s. Everyone is now trying to sign young players due to PSR. You don't see signings like Robson made at Middlesbrough, Redknapp at Portsmouth and Newcastle under Souness anymore. 

 

When comparing Howe and Keegan it's also worth comparing trophies and available transfer funds where Keegan broke the world record for a defender and a forward without winning anything.

Barton?

Liverpool paid more than that for Jason McAteer the same summer for context and he also sold a forward for British record fee too.

 

Draw the line at KK being thrown under the bus.

[macphisto]

Just now, Jonas said:

Barton?

Liverpool paid more than that for Jason McAteer the same summer for context and he also sold a forward for British record fee too.

 

Draw the line at KK being thrown under the bus.

Yes, Barton and I'm not throwing Keegan under the bus but if people are going to start comparing the two then it's only fair to highlight other factors.

[Wolfcastle]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

But we can accept this season is below par and not the desired target, whilst not making any knee-jerk decisions.

I personally havent made one. I just think its reasonable for people to question the manager and boo the team at this point without getting slaughtered as none of us know whether its a one off bad season or the way its going to be. That's what it all boils down to essentially - those that think we'll bounce back and those that don't.

Said earlier its the over the top excuses I've a problem with not the manager, thing's like not being angry losing to Sunderland - that's a new thing previous managers never got the benefit of.

[The Prophet]

8 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

I personally havent made one. I just think its reasonable for people to question the manager and boo the team at this point without getting slaughtered as none of us know whether its a one off bad season or the way its going to be. That's what it all boils down to essentially - those that think we'll bounce back and those that don't.

Said earlier its the over the top excuses I've a problem with not the manager, thing's like not being angry losing to Sunderland - that's a new thing previous managers never got the benefit of.

 

Fair.

 

For me, the reaction to the Sunderland result was understandable, while overall it's been a pretty average season.

 

At the same time, I would give Howe next season because I believe he's earned it and more importantly he can turn it around.

 

 

Edited March 24 by The Prophet

[Wolfcastle]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Fair.

 

For me, the reaction to the Sunderland result was pretty understandable, while overall it's been a pretty average season.

 

At the same time, I would give Howe next season because I believe he's earned it and more importantly he can turn it around.

My concern is that I just cant make a case for doing close to what's needed in the summer. I expect to lose one or two of our better players on top what's already a big to do list. So I expect to go into next season similarly half-cocked to this one - I think we'll improve regardless but doubt we'll improve enough (cant make a case for challenging for the CL e.g.).  Otherwise I'd say he most probably could turn it around too. 

[ElectricWizard]

Everything comes to an end. He hit a brick wall at Bournemouth. Great manager and has set you up for years to come. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

19 minutes ago, ElectricWizard said:

Everything comes to an end. He hit a brick wall at Bournemouth. Great manager and has set you up for years to come. 

 

Well we know that, question is when. 

[wong989]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

But we can accept this season is below par and not the desired target, whilst not making any knee-jerk decisions.

I don’t know that making a change at the end of the season would be knee jerk…if I had any faith in the executives overseeing operations. This problem of needing all day to pick a back pass, and losing our heads the minute we’re pressed effectively isn’t just this season, we almost missed CL last year because of it. It needed addressing. We got in Wolt, and continued playing the same style. At no point did we try having narrow wingers, or putting Ramsey up near him. When we have possession it’s always tedious slow paced move up the field with no threat, til we turn it over because we’re out of ideas and ability snd the other team is prepared and cuts through us like butter.

[Groundhog63]

2 hours ago, Wolfcastle said:

We look small time by being okay with this season and its not about losing to Sunderland its about being in the bottom half of the table playing shit and losing to Sunderland. People are pointing out a multitude of reasons why they've got concerns its not just 'bin him he lost to Sunderland' that's a misrepresentation if not an avoidance. I don't even rate the derby as all that but losing to them twice after turning in pitiful displays and being behind them in the league is poor form well worthy of questioning whether its Sunderland, Luton or Burnley.

Dalglish's season was objectively bad in itself irrespective of Keegan's success. It wasn't seen as good in the 80s (Charlton and newly promoted) with no previous success.

But In any scenario with a drops off like that its bad and worthy of questioning.

 

 

 

The only thing "small time" about NUFC is people like you folding at the first big hurdle.

[Charlies]

Don’t know if it’s giggs or not, but…..

 

 

[astraguy]

2 hours ago, Charlies said:

Don’t know if it’s giggs or not, but…..

 

 

what's the point even posting or watching this butt pumping twat? just in it for the attention and likes

[Holloway]

10 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said:

What an angry bloke. I walked out, he booed. Some people clapped. Some people did nowt. 
 

None of them are wankers.

 

Get yourself out for a walk. 

wankers

[TheBrownBottle]

13 hours ago, Andy said:

Booing is quite comical really if you consider that grown adults, many of whom are probably in decent and responsible jobs, are literally making and holding this stupid noise with their mouths to represent a pure form of discontent. Imagine doing it in a meeting with your MD at work or something. 

Agreed, though tbf we’re talking about twenty-two grown adults kicking a ball around and tens of thousands going mental.   It’s all childish and a bit stupid if we think about it for a second. 

[TK-421]

2 hours ago, astraguy said:

what's the point even posting or watching this butt pumping twat? just in it for the attention and likes

Because he does make some valid points, even if you don't like the way he does it.

 

But if it's not what you want to hear, or doesn't support your opinion, then i can understand why you wouldn't want to watch it.

[Sir Joel Inton]

Used to argue who is the biggest superfan depending on how loud you boo’d at games. Now we're arguing who is the biggest superfan depending on whether you mildly applauded or not.

 

Some would say that is pretty good progress.