Ben Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 The way this season is going, all of our internationals will come back with season ending injuries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I can understand the Isak situation being used in the early part of the season - maybe even Christmas time - but using it when we’re going into April is a stretch like. Had all season to figure something out yet the same shit happens on a consistent basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) Explain how the lose of Isak make us having the worst defence record in Europe? you really can’t defend for Howe re our defence problems. We always able to score goals first. Just we will gift it back to our opponents. Surely this can’t be related to Isak right? Edited March 25 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) The worst defence record in Europe? Edited March 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Absolutely has to go. This season has been a complete disaster not to mention the derby defeats, losing one is unacceptable losing both is sackable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 We're 5th in the league for xGC if anyone cares about such things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 minute ago, Ellis H said: We're 5th in the league for xGC if anyone cares about such things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 18 minutes ago, number9shirt said: Absolutely has to go. This season has been a complete disaster not to mention the derby defeats, losing one is unacceptable losing both is sackable. It has not been a complete disaster at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 some people try to run before they can walk.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: It has not been a complete disaster at all. Fair enough, however if we miss out on Europe and finish in the bottom half it will be. Edited March 25 by number9shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 30 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The worst defence record in Europe? Probably referencing this We've literally played double the amount of games than some of the teams on that list That's without going into 4 of them were against City, Barca twice etc. Just another disingenuous argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: It really does like. I have no idea why really simple concepts that we see time and time again in football are rejected in favour of more complicated and imo far less convincing theories about the efficacy of managers whose records are there for all to see and fly in the face of those theories. The style and effectiveness of a team's football being affected by: Lack of leadership at the top Lack of personnel at DoF level Ability to spend for 3 windows Manager's being spread too thinly Changes in backroom staff Squad overhauls Tactics overhauls due to key players leaving New players needing time to gel and get up to speed with tactics Overwhelming game schedules (partly as a result of staying in the cups I might add) Reduced training time impacting on how well and quickly they gel Players having no pre-season Players being injured Players being fatigued, not just physically but mentally Having to adjust the line ups and tactics to deal with all of the above and more that haven't come immediately to mind now and all of these things combining, impacting on each other, exacerbating the situation, and turning into a perfect storm is a tale as old as time in football. We see it constantly, year on year, and it's not even just us that's dealing with it and failing as a result of it this year. To their own standards look at Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Palace, Forest, Wolves. All affected by one or more of the above, even Villa are in for a rude awakening soon imo. Most of those teams are dealing with a few of them and others, I'd argue we've been dealing with more or less all of them at the same time. With all of the above in mind, bypassing it to settle on 'this manager who has been overwhelmingly successful for the 3 and a half years before all of the above happened is what we should focus our attention on' will never not be mad to me. I don't know where the mentality comes from that all of the above is for the birds, and has nothing to do with how we play. You do realise the manager's job is to find a way to get results despite these things, right? Any talk of losing Isak will be met with "we gave you quarter of a billion pounds to spend". And talk of fixture congestion will likely be met with "you knew that at the start of the season. Your job is to manage that workload." There will be no sympathy at board level for this season. They are seeing what we are seeing - a team that can't defend, a team that concedes 7 goals in one game on global television, a team that consistently gets beaten by teams it shouldn't get beaten by, a team that cost £650m to put together, a team that can't train because our training is too intense. He no doubt has some credit in the bank but can you imagine him going into a meeting and listing all of those things as reasons why we can't keep possession and routinely have our midfield bypassed. That credit would disappear immediately. WE have more sympathy for him because we're not on the business side of things, but we also have some of the same questions he is likely to get asked at the post-season inquest. Like what is going to be done to rectify those PURELY FOOTBALLING issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 18 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Probably referencing this We've literally played double the amount of games than some of the teams on that list That's without going into 4 of them were against City, Barca twice etc. Just another disingenuous argument. Yeah our per90 isn't great, but doing it by total is ridiculous when we've played more than anyone. Even Arsenal, who are a game behind us and have one of the best defences around are on 20 goals conceded in 2026. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 27 minutes ago, number9shirt said: Fair enough, however if we miss out on Europe and finish in the bottom half it will be. CL campaign was good if we scratch the collapse in Barca, but losing twice to Sunderland and being bottom half in the PL is hard to take. Lets see how we finish.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Why are we including this season? When the post you responded to was clearly talking about who we signed? I was responding to your inaccurate comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: You do realise the manager's job is to find a way to get results despite these things, right? Any talk of losing Isak will be met with "we gave you quarter of a billion pounds to spend". And talk of fixture congestion will likely be met with "you knew that at the start of the season. Your job is to manage that workload." There will be no sympathy at board level for this season. They are seeing what we are seeing - a team that can't defend, a team that concedes 7 goals in one game on global television, a team that consistently gets beaten by teams it shouldn't get beaten by, a team that cost £650m to put together, a team that can't train because our training is too intense. He no doubt has some credit in the bank but can you imagine him going into a meeting and listing all of those things as reasons why we can't keep possession and routinely have our midfield bypassed. That credit would disappear immediately. WE have more sympathy for him because we're not on the business side of things, but we also have some of the same questions he is likely to get asked at the post-season inquest. Like what is going to be done to rectify those PURELY FOOTBALLING issues. Don't give me the "you do realise?" reddit guy thing man. Yes, I'm well aware of that, I'm also aware that getting results in those circumstances isn't the reality for most managers, as I touched upon with Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and others, and that's just this season. Isak left on the last day of the transfer window, so no they didn't really. We also didn't have a CEO or DoF, again something that keeps getting ignored, as if Howe being left in the shit was a privilege he should be grateful for, and that we should only blame him for. Fixture congestion has been managed in terms of managing injuries for the most part, but the results haven't come with it consistently and obviously they depend on all the other factors mentioned. Neither of us speak for everyone tbf, I would hope the board are seeing what I and others see rather than what you're seeing. £650m over 5 years is NOTHING for a Champions League club btw, Man City spent £500m+ from last January alone. The team also doesn't train because of the schedule, not because of our intensity - from Howe's mouth. Again though, everything you're talking about isn't detached from the mitigating factors at all, they're all impacted by them massively, as I say we've seen it for year after year with team after team. To just fixate on the manager and ignore everything else is myopic imo. There are clearly limits to it though, Pep and Klopp have seasons of massive underachievement but it's been overlooked because it's taken as a given that they're great managers with honours to back it up. Howe, despite winning honours with a club that'd won nowt in 50 odd years doesn't have that luxury, which again I find mad and contributes to this feeling I have about some of our fans having an undeservedly high opinion of themselves and what they're entitled to: linear success and no adversity. Edited March 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Danny Murphy worth a listen (for once) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Ellis H said: We're 5th in the league for xGC if anyone cares about such things. We’re 14th in the league for goals conceded. 2nd bottom of the league for points gained from losing positions. Rock bottom for points dropped from winning positions. Rock bottom for points gained when conceding first. Whisper in my lughole and explain what xGC is telling me that those stats don’t ? I promise not to bite your ear off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, TK-421 said: Danny Murphy worth a listen (for once) Listened to this earlier and felt the same in thinking he was talking sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 41 minutes ago, Holmesy said: You do realise the manager's job is to find a way to get results despite these things, right? Any talk of losing Isak will be met with "we gave you quarter of a billion pounds to spend". And talk of fixture congestion will likely be met with "you knew that at the start of the season. Your job is to manage that workload." No shit Sherlock(y) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Jaqen said: Probably referencing this Gah. It's no wonder I'm in such a bad mood all the time. Yes - I get the "goals per game" is lower than some others, but good grief that's a lot of goals to concede. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: We’re 14th in the league for goals conceded. 2nd bottom of the league for points gained from losing positions. Rock bottom for points dropped from winning positions. Rock bottom for points gained when conceding first. Whisper in my lughole and explain what xGC is telling me that those stats don’t ? I promise not to bite your ear off That we've been extremely unlucky and/or we need a new 'keeper. Edited March 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 This was less than a year ago. To be agitating that he now be sacked is fickle as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Talking a lot of sense Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 8 minutes ago, DC Magpie said: Gah. It's no wonder I'm in such a bad mood all the time. Yes - I get the "goals per game" is lower than some others, but good grief that's a lot of goals to concede. Its just down to the number of games we've played. Had we not gone as far in the cups, we'd have conceded 16 less against Man City and Barcelona, alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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