r0cafella Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, TRon said: He has to grow our revenues so we can compete with the big boys. I don't expect it to happen overnight, but that's his job right? Correct it is, at least imo he's responsible for the growth of the business which then feeds into the budget for the squad. Next year's revenue will be another record because of the CL and Isak money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Dokko said: I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. I think for some on here it’s just pure copium in relation to our overall disappointing season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Dokko said: I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. Absolutely 2 most important games of the season, bar being in a cup semi/final. Losing to Barcelona didn’t register compared to the aftermath of mackems game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 24 minutes ago, Virtua Stiva said: The crack about losing the derby “hurting” is absolutely a pandering to the fanbase. Hopkinson has been absolutely desperate to look like he “gets it” from the first week when he was photographed in a replica kit watching the match in New York This is it for me. Trying so hard to fit in that he's making himself look stupid. Didn't particularly like Eales either as I thought he was cringey but at least he understood what it took to run a club in the EPL - this guy hasn't got a clue. "What an amazing transfer window that was" Incomings: 0 Outgoings: 0 Get out of here man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 33 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Yeah, pretty worried by those comments if that's how he goes about his business. Up to now the jury has been out on how he runs a football club, and I've been non-plussed by all his soundbites so far; I wasn't arsed about his 2030 comments - they were just fluff and not worth reading into. But to publicly make comments directly about the manager's position is something which actively impacts the day-to-day and seems incredibly reckless. If he's really applying a make-or-break situation to the final seven games of the season then it's a massive red flag. That's a short-termist approach to managing a club when you should be looking at everything in the round. Don't even get me started on the notion of making any judgement based on losing to the mackems. Hopefully he's just felt the need to pander to those in the fanbase who (tinhat) apply too great a meaning to the derby results, and the reality is that any decision on the manager's future is based on the full context. Brentford, Everton, Sunderland - in terms of revenues every defeat is equal. Hopefully he stays in that lane. The issue is the trend since we won the cup in March last year. That’s a long enough period to judge, and it’s been inconsistent at best. Same problems, same types of goals conceded, same dropped points. The last seven games just confirm or challenge that trend, they’re not the whole basis for the decision in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. Just people who are stung that it's Eddie Howe who got doubled by the Mackems tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 There is nothing wrong with the comments imo. Doesn't have a view on it is a safe way of shutting down that discussion without taking a side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, Dokko said: I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. TIL Dokko hates Keegan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 That shitshow of a summer was likely going to end with this direction, I do feel Howe deserves at the very least until Christmas (after a summer of hopefully not having to do what he had to last summer) but usually when a manager has too much on his plate it doesn't end very well. I have been critical of how we've played this season, we've felt very structureless at times and most weeks you seem the same mistakes with no real sign of improvement or consistency. But despite that I do want the man to be given a chance to see how next year goes while hopefully having a decent window where he can focus on the pitch entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Meh, there's a difference between not being bother about losing the derby and thinking it isn't a result that should determine the future of a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 New CEO setting high standards for remainder of season. I like it and pleased to see he realises how much derby day performance was unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: I think for some on here it’s just pure copium in relation to our overall disappointing season. Same cult vibes. Edited March 31 by Dokko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dokko said: I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. It's not that people aren't bothered , it's the mass hysteria it causes and demanding the manager is sacked because of it. Imagine Liverpool or Arsenal fans going on like some of the gimps in our fanbase after losing to Everton or Spurs . It just wouldn't happen . We can never be a serious club with the hysterics of the last week or so just because we lost to Sunderland . Edited March 31 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Tbf if you live/work/go to school in the NE then a defeat to Sunderland is far different to a defeat to Everton or Brentford. To downplay it as being exactly the same as a game against them is probably why we tend to get our arses handed to us when we play them. Yes revenue wise it amounts to the same but for the supporters it's anything but, and that should apply to Howe and the players as well. This is very much a personal thing, I've lived in Newcastle my whole life and choose to do my part in the local rivalry by considering them an irrelevance that are beneath us. It's how Keegan viewed it and I couldn't agree more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Meh, there's a difference between not being bother about losing the derby and thinking it isn't a result that should determine the future of a manager. I know what the CEO said, but genuinely I doubt that's the entire crux of whether the future is in doubt. He's probably just saying that as lip service, if the future is in doubt then I assume because they are not happy with the results overall ( which I think is fair) but I also think the context of how we arrived to this point is important too and why he should get until at least Christmas IMO. If the results are not forthcoming then maybe it's a discussion that can be had. Edited March 31 by Mole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Menace said: This is it for me. Trying so hard to fit in that he's making himself look stupid. Didn't particularly like Eales either as I thought he was cringey but at least he understood what it took to run a club in the EPL - this guy hasn't got a clue. "What an amazing transfer window that was" Incomings: 0 Outgoings: 0 Get out of here man He's here to oversee the growth of the club, particularly from a commercial point of view. We have no idea if he's got a clue or not really. In terms of his soundbites, he sounds like every other North American CEO. Loud, over the top, talks a big game, etc. Perhaps I've just become desensitised to it, but it's par for the course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Dokko said: 22 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Tbf if you live/work/go to school in the NE then a defeat to Sunderland is far different to a defeat to Everton or Brentford. To downplay it as being exactly the same as a game against them is probably why we tend to get our arses handed to us when we play them. Yes revenue wise it amounts to the same but for the supporters it's anything but, and that should apply to Howe and the players as well. Expand I hate the 'I'm too hip to be bothered about the derby' crowd. Complete lies, plastic fans or absolute goons. WEMag was responding to my post so I'll defend it by saying that, clearly, the derby has more weight than other fixtures. I felt the agony along with everyone else, though I'm fortunate enough not to be surrounded by mackems in my day-to-day. But if you're deciding the fate of your manager off the back of it, that's the point at which you're applying too much weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Geogaddi said: It's not that people aren't bothered , it's the mass hysteria it causes and demanding the manager is sacked because of it. Imagine Liverpool or Arsenal fans going on like some of the gimps in our fanbase after losing to Everton or Spurs . It just wouldn't happen . We can never be a serious club with the hysterics of the last week or so just because we lost to Sunderland . If Arteta/Slot got the double done over them and had a season way below expectations it wouldn't be beyond realms of possibilities that either manager gets sacked. It's not that surprising that some people want Howe out like, it's been a dog shit season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Geogaddi said: It's not that people aren't bothered , it's the mass hysteria it causes and demanding the manager is sacked because of it. Imagine Liverpool or Arsenal fans going on like some of the gimps in our fanbase after losing to Everton or Spurs . It just wouldn't happen . We can never be a serious club with the hysterics of the last week or so just because we lost to Sunderland . Well it does happen for both arsenal and Liverpool. Bet it happens for barca and Madrid. It's called passion. It's might be temporarily misplaced but it happens. To say otherwise is bollocks. Those flash moments aside, it's the dire season that has people questioning his position, the derbies are just that moment in time pressure points. He will be judged at the end of the season, he has 7 games to save his Newcastle career and it's deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: WEMag was responding to my post so I'll defend it by saying that, clearly, the derby has more weight than other fixtures. I felt the agony along with everyone else, though I'm fortunate enough not to be surrounded by mackems in my day-to-day. But if you're deciding the fate of your manager off the back of it, that's the point at which you're applying too much weight. I get that, see my reply above. It's moments in time. That aside. The season as a whole has been shite, and he has as the manager to accept it, thats the role he gets paid for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Mike said: I think I'm too North American despite my obvious Geordie roots, I've been away from home too long, like. There's nowt wrong with those quotes imo. Ultimately he's saying that no one is safe, and complacency is not pat of the plan. Anyone can get it if they got it coming, so don't got it coming and you'll be fine. Which is...ok? I think? Yeah I don't think there's really anything in there that any premier league manager wouldn't expect. Just strikes me as a bit of a Remember Who's In Charge cock wave, maybe to try to put to bed the power struggle tales we've read for the last few years. Edited March 31 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 12 days until our next fixture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: 12 days until our next fixture 3 weeks unbeaten. Zero goals conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 43 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Yeah, pretty worried by those comments if that's how he goes about his business. Up to now the jury has been out on how he runs a football club, and I've been non-plussed by all his soundbites so far; I wasn't arsed about his 2030 comments - they were just fluff and not worth reading into. But to publicly make comments directly about the manager's position is something which actively impacts the day-to-day and seems incredibly reckless. If he's really applying a make-or-break situation to the final seven games of the season then it's a massive red flag. That's a short-termist approach to managing a club when you should be looking at everything in the round. Don't even get me started on the notion of making any judgement based on losing to the mackems. Hopefully he's just felt the need to pander to those in the fanbase who (tinhat) apply too great a meaning to the derby results, and the reality is that any decision on the manager's future is based on the full context. Brentford, Everton, Sunderland - in terms of revenues every defeat is equal. Hopefully he stays in that lane. I don't think that's what this is though. It's more that he will be judged on his performance this season and there are seven games left of that season to determine where we end up. Especially considering we read so much about how much we need time on the training ground - we're definitely going to get that between now and the end of May. There's also the consideration of how this will look to players both inside and outside the club. What standards are we holding ourselves to? If we want these 2030 claims to be believed, can you justify going "Yeah, that's fine" if we have a poor end to the season and finish 12th? The only reason these seven games (that's nearly 20% of the league campaign) may end up as make-or-break is because the performances and results haven't been good enough for the proceeding 31. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis80 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 You can lose a derby and it isn’t a problem. But playing like we did in both was a joke, that’s why he should be under a bit of pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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