Eddie Howe

[dcmk]

6 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Because we hired shit managers to replace them. And that might be why so many people are shitting themselves about Eddie being replaced, because historically we've made awful decisions. But we're under new ownership now so hopefully it wouldn't happen again.

Hopefully.  But if it does happen how many years can be lost?  Spurs sacking Poch is still haunting them to this day.

 

Whereas we are in a position where Howe has been let down in the summer and the team has struggled this year as a result.  Best for everyone to support him and see how he goes next season before being rash.

 

 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

12 minutes ago, St1pe said:

This is honestly one of the worst takes  I’ve read in this whole Howe debate. There is no comparison to the Howe situation and what Pardew inflicted on us for years. I don’t believe anyone that attended games during that period would even bring it up. It was fucking diabolical. He was carried by Ba and Cisse in that 5th year  we were mostly shit that season too. For all Howe has been poor this year we’re not getting pumped every couple of weeks by 3 goals plus. 
 

 

Nah we absolutely weren’t mostly shit that season at all. What a mad thing to say. 

 

Pardew only had us playing consistently well across one season (2011-2012), but by and large, we played some good stuff and the pragmatic system we employed really leant into the strengths of our starting 11.

 

[TRon]

53 minutes ago, TRC said:

One thing to consider is the majority of new appointments fail after a successful manager.

Also the squad needs a major revamp whoever comes in should have at least a year to sort it out and just finishing top half should be the expectation.

 

I think whoever is the manager next season, there will be a review of expectations. We gave it a good go at buying ready made stars, but the only way we can continue is if we sell big stars to fund new signings. Otherwise the players devalue with age if you don't sell them in time. 

 

Next season will be about getting Europe again. I don't think CL is realistic given what we are up against. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Hopefully.  But if it does happen how many years can be lost?  Spurs sacking Poch is still haunting them to this day.

 

Whereas we are in a position where Howe has been let down in the summer and the team has struggled this year as a result.  Best for everyone to support him and see how he goes next season before being rash.

 

 

 

Serious question. Have you actually watched any of our games this season?

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I think whoever is the manager next season, there will be a review of expectations. We gave it a good go at buying ready made stars, but the only way we can continue is if we sell big stars to fund new signings. Otherwise the players devalue with age if you don't sell them in time. 

 

Next season will be about getting Europe again. I don't think CL is realistic given what we are up against. 

Hope the fans review their expectations along side it.

[TRC]

24 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Whatever signings are made should be elevating the team not going sideways.

 

We are 14th top half is an elevation

[Lotus]

19 hours ago, dcmk said:

Considering Maresca, Rosenior, Arne Slot, Arteta, OGS and Michael Carrick have had or are in bigger jobs.

 

Howe is better than the majority of that lot.  Working on a smaller budget, with much tighter resources.

 

So odds are he will be in a top job sooner rather than later.  My money is on Liverpool.

I think Eddie's teams play better when they are the underdog and the focus is on outrunning other teams.

We don't often see tactical innovation, clever patterns of play, etc. I think he's tremendous man manager and motivator and absolute top and creating a tight team spirit. All essential. But the tactical side is underwhelming. So far, at least.

[Lotus]

19 hours ago, dcmk said:

Considering Maresca, Rosenior, Arne Slot, Arteta, OGS and Michael Carrick have had or are in bigger jobs.

 

Howe is better than the majority of that lot.  Working on a smaller budget, with much tighter resources.

 

So odds are he will be in a top job sooner rather than later.  My money is on Liverpool.

I think Eddie's teams play better when they are the underdog and the focus is on outrunning other teams.

We don't often see tactical innovation, clever patterns of play, etc. I think he's tremendous man manager and motivator and absolute top and creating a tight team spirit. All essential. But the tactical side is underwhelming. So far, at least.

[Lotus]

19 hours ago, dcmk said:

Considering Maresca, Rosenior, Arne Slot, Arteta, OGS and Michael Carrick have had or are in bigger jobs.

 

Howe is better than the majority of that lot.  Working on a smaller budget, with much tighter resources.

 

So odds are he will be in a top job sooner rather than later.  My money is on Liverpool.

I think Eddie's teams play better when they are the underdog and the focus is on outrunning other teams.

We don't often see tactical innovation, clever patterns of play, etc. I think he's tremendous man manager and motivator and absolute top and creating a tight team spirit. All essential. But the tactical side is underwhelming. So far, at least.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, TRC said:

We are 14th top half is an elevation

 

I'd snap your hands off for Top half this season but there's probably more likelihood of Leeds overtaking us the way we are playing.

[Lotus]

19 hours ago, dcmk said:

Considering Maresca, Rosenior, Arne Slot, Arteta, OGS and Michael Carrick have had or are in bigger jobs.

 

Howe is better than the majority of that lot.  Working on a smaller budget, with much tighter resources.

 

So odds are he will be in a top job sooner rather than later.  My money is on Liverpool.

I think Eddie's teams play better when they are the underdog and the focus is on outrunning other teams.

We don't often see tactical innovation, clever patterns of play, etc. I think he's tremendous man manager and motivator and absolute top and creating a tight team spirit. All essential. But the tactical side is underwhelming. So far, at least.

[Holmesy]

5 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Hopefully.  But if it does happen how many years can be lost?  Spurs sacking Poch is still haunting them to this day.

 

Whereas we are in a position where Howe has been let down in the summer and the team has struggled this year as a result.  Best for everyone to support him and see how he goes next season before being rash.

 

 

I don't believe this and many others don't as well, and that sits at the heart of this argument/discussion. Not that he wasn't let down in the summer, I think we all accept that. But the tools he is working with are still, collectively very good and more than capable of beating many of the teams we have lost to. For me, that is not the reason for the struggle and isn't an excuse for what we are seeing on the pitch.

[Shadow Puppets]

Absolutely the most sensible approach would be to give Howe as much backing as we possibly can this summer to push on again. He’s proven time and time again how good of a manager he is.

 

We, and he, have had poor seasons, but it seems incredibly short-sighted to lose the man who has delivered transformational change to this club over one poor season.

[stabmasterareson]

6 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

Nah we absolutely weren’t mostly shit that season at all. What a mad thing to say. 

 

Pardew only had us playing consistently well across one season (2011-2012), but by and large, we played some good stuff and the pragmatic system we employed really leant into the strengths of our starting 11.

 

If I remember it was basically a season of two distinct halves - first half scraping results but generally poor football, second half after Cisse arrived we had that 433 that clicked. 

[500bhp]

3 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Hopefully.  But if it does happen how many years can be lost?  Spurs sacking Poch is still haunting them to this day.

 

Whereas we are in a position where Howe has been let down in the summer and the team has struggled this year as a result.  Best for everyone to support him and see how he goes next season before being rash.

 

 

 

How was Howe let down this summer? No CEO should not impact our scouting and recruitment of players. 

 

No DOF on the other hand has a massive impact. mmmmm.....I wonder under what circumstances our DOF left in May just as the window was opening. Power struggle with Howe some would say! 

 

I admit the Isak debacle impacted Howe and recruitment. But that only be blamed for so much. 

[St1pe]

6 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

Nah we absolutely weren’t mostly shit that season at all. What a mad thing to say. 

 

Pardew only had us playing consistently well across one season (2011-2012), but by and large, we played some good stuff and the pragmatic system we employed really leant into the strengths of our starting 11.

 

Disagree personally. We were solid. Ba and Cisse were lethal and Cabaye was quality but we were pragmatic and solid enough. We still took some hammerings. We punched above ourselves all season. He also fucked Ben Arfa about so much. Motm cameos then benched the following game. I couldn’t detest that manager enough. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I don't believe this and many others don't as well, and that sits at the heart of this argument/discussion. Not that he wasn't let down in the summer, I think we all accept that. But the tools he is working with are still, collectively very good and more than capable of beating many of the teams we have lost to. For me, that is not the reason for the struggle and isn't an excuse for what we are seeing on the pitch.

 

As much as he may have been "let down" he was still afford £250m last summer. Just a shame the majority was squandered on rubbish.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Iraola, Alonso, Glasner, Marseca, Tuchel, Zidane available for free in the summer. The club has no excuse now. 

[Mahoneys Tache]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

As much as he may have been "let down" he was still afford £250m last summer. Just a shame the majority was squandered on rubbish.

Woltemade isn’t rubbish. Wissa showed every sign of being an astute signing. We just got bent over by Brentford on the price because we were desperate due to the premier league chicanery meaning we weren’t able to buy our first choices. 

 

 

Edited April 14 by Mahoneys Tache

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Iraola, Alonso, Glasner, Marseca, Tuchel, Zidane available for free in the summer. The club has no excuse now. 

Tuchel is contracted to England for another two years.

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Mahoneys Tache said:

Woltemade isn’t rubbish. Wissa showed every sign of being an astute signing. We just got bent over by Brentford on the price because we were desperate due to the premier league chicanery meaning we weren’t able to buy our first choices. 

 

 

 

 

He's a rubbish midfielder and that's where Howe plays him, on the rare occasions he does play him.

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Hope the fans review their expectations along side it.

 

I don't think fans expect that much tbh. If we were 7/8th in the table now and had been in a position to get a European slot, then I think most would be ok with that. CL is overachieving given our budget resraints compared to the cartel clubs. 

[The College Dropout]

34 minutes ago, Lotus said:

I think Eddie's teams play better when they are the underdog and the focus is on outrunning other teams.

We don't often see tactical innovation, clever patterns of play, etc. I think he's tremendous man manager and motivator and absolute top and creating a tight team spirit. All essential. But the tactical side is underwhelming. So far, at least.

Think he can be great tactically off the ball and in transition. Agree with much of the rest.

 

It's in comfort posession we have no plan.

[The College Dropout]

I'v grown into the opinion Freddy Shephard was not an astute Owner/Leader of the club. He was never going to improve on SBR. With FS as the Owner, SBR was the best manager he was ever going to hire.

 

I'm not sold on what PIF will do after Howe. If Howe becomes a weak link of the entire organisation get him out. But I don't think that's the case.

[dcmk]

39 minutes ago, TRC said:

We are 14th top half is an elevation

The season hasn't finished yet.