Eddie Howe

[Andy]

7 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

 

Nearly all of our players are failing at the moment tbf, that isn't exclusive to Woltemade.

 

While I don't fully agree with the assessment, it's easy to understand why a lot of people think (a) that it may be the manager's fault that they're failing (or that they're not responding to him for whatever reason), and (b) that it's easier to try something new with the manager than it is to replace a full team of players. 

 

A lot of our players are either not good enough or are not suited to the style of football that we're trying to play. No one is letting them off the hook, it's just difficult to see how that changes in the current setup without spending hundreds of millions again, which is a tremendous risk based on recruitment over the last few windows. 

[TheEntertainer]

Just now, mondonewc said:

I'm not going to quote people directly as I've no interest in the likely commotion that will follow.

 

Just to highlight to one instance, someone said something along the lines ofbhe's not good enough to manage any top club in the league and if he loses his job he will at best get a job at Fulham. I not only think this is disrespectful, but also just plain wrong. 

 

If you dont think that's even vaguely disrespectful then we have a very different line on what constitutes disrespect.

I don't think that's direspectful at all no, I just think it's a different opinion to yours. I do think he's proved he's a very good manager, but I also think most of the big clubs wouldn't take him currently. He could go to a bigger club than Fulham though. 

[bobbydazzla]

29 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

2005 IMO

 

This Never Happened Before

 

 

Each to their own, but in my opinion, that’s not a particularly impressive tune and it certainly gets nowhere near the canon of outstanding songs he wrote and recorded between 1963 and 1970. 

 

 

Edited April 19 by bobbydazzla

[BlueStar]

Three points ahead of Leeds who I had as dead and buried at some points in the season.  It's a good job we got some points on the board early doors or we'd be looking very nervously over our shoulder, and if we start next season the way we've finished this one we're going to be in a relegation scrap. 

[Displayname]

9 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

Easy.

When it's one or two players underperforming you blame the players, when it's most of the team you blame the manager.

[magorific]

15 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Ferguson example isn’t a good one at all, though - it effectively is from a previous era, when Man Utd’s annual turnover was less than they pay salary for a midfielder.  It isn’t ’a modern day example’ - Ferguson would’ve been sacked long before 90/91 in the modern era.  Ferguson’s previous track record also dwarfed someone like Howe’s - the Scottish top flight was a much higher standard back then, winning two titles and European trophy (beating R Madrid in the final) is just light years away from Howe (not a criticism of Howe, but there seems to be a lot of assumptions that Howe is on that level.  He patently isn’t). 
 

Howe’s transfers and the team’s performances - his responsibility - are liable to cost the club a lot of money (it isn’t melodramatic to say hundreds of millions).  He’s had far more rope than most would have.   He’s been given a shit hand by the owners, whose absenteeism has allowed this shit show to occur.  But the players he signed and has failed to draft into his side remains his responsibility - they may not have been his first choices, but he signed three of the four most expensive players’ in the club’s history last summer, and this isn’t good enough.  

“Howe’s transfers…”

I love how he’s apportioned all blame for transfers when that’s patently not his job. I don’t recall him getting proportionate praise for the likes of Bruno and Isak…

As for the Ferguson comparison not being contemporary enough, what about the Tottenham one? What about the Klopp one?

Hypocritical nonsense.

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

I’d recommend visiting the Elanga or Wissa threads - there’s a lot of outright disrespect in there (I’ll add myself to that number on Wissa) 

 

But you can’t sack 10 players - that’s not how football works.  The manager is the one who pays with his job.

[Kanj]

This feels like the end of the Howe era and it’s making me sick to my stomach. All those memories last few years, the ferocious fighters on the pitch, the pride of supporting a team that played as passionately as we support the team…this one hurts.  

[Gawalls]

2 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Easy.

When it's one or two players underperforming you blame the players, when it's most of the team you blame the manager.

Yep, if you walk into a room and think one person is an idiot there's a chance you're right but if you walk into a room and think everyone's an idiot then there's a high chance it's you*

 

*I don't think he's an idiot, just using the saying.

[HaydnNUFC]

Can’t have it both ways by saying Howe won us a trophy last season but it’s the players that are the reason for the risible football that’s been served up pretty much all season this time round.

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Yep, if you walk into a room and think one person is an idiot there's a chance you're right but if you walk into a room and think everyone's an idiot then there's a high chance it's you*

 

*I don't think he's an idiot, just using the saying.

What about if you go into the Transfers thread and think everyone is a lunatic ? 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, magorific said:

“Howe’s transfers…”

I love how he’s apportioned all blame for transfers when that’s patently not his job. I don’t recall him getting proportionate praise for the likes of Bruno and Isak…

As for the Ferguson comparison not being contemporary enough, what about the Tottenham one? What about the Klopp one? In

Hypocritical nonsense.

Neither were relevant either - Klopp was 8th his first season, not his fourth (this is Howe’s fourth season) - he won the European Cup in his fourth season, he wasn’t going backwards at a rate of knots.  
Pochettino should’ve been sacked for being 14th with that Spurs side, and was.  They finished 6th, which was an improvement.  
And Howe absolutely got praise for his transfer successes on here - including by me; I used to find his ‘hit-rate’ remarkable, and wrote that a number of times.   That went down the pan, but for the first two years it was incredible.  
 

And less of chucking words like ‘hypocritical’ about - especially when in this instance it wouldn’t have been the case even if I agreed with the examples you cited.  

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Can’t have it both ways by saying Howe won us a trophy last season but it’s the players that are the reason for the risible football that’s been served up pretty much all season this time round.

Not a point I'd have made tbh, but tbf Howe is more the common denominator, our players largely aren't the same players that played last season, either because they've left, been injured, or not featured to the same extent.

 

Tonali and Gordon are really the only two players that have comparable appearances this season vs last season.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Kid Icarus

[TheBrownBottle]

20 minutes ago, mondonewc said:

I'm not going to quote people directly as I've no interest in the likely commotion that will follow.

 

Just to highlight to one instance, someone said something along the lines ofbhe's not good enough to manage any top club in the league and if he loses his job he will at best get a job at Fulham. I not only think this is disrespectful, but also just plain wrong. 

 

If you dont think that's even vaguely disrespectful then we have a very different line on what constitutes disrespect.

It seems odd if people think that - look at Carrick at Man Utd or David Brent at Chelsea.  

[Wallsendmag]

23 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

 

They are the players that HE brought to the club though, at considerable cost. Every single one of those players who started yesterday were signed by Eddie Howe (Miley the exception as he came through the Academy). His players, his tactics, his training regimes, his pre match team talk.

 

He gets most of the acclaim when things are going well (Banners hanging the lengths of a hotel, huge surfers in the Leazes End, made Freeman of the city etc) so it's only fair that it works both ways.

 

If he's doing well I'll say he's doing well and praise is given. Likewise if he's performing poorly I'll say it as it is. Ultimately I support NUFC first and foremost, not any specific individual.

[SUPERTOON]

Regardless of Howe staying or going, i just hope we have a plan in place either way. We need to be ready to go as soon as the season ends. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Regardless of Howe staying or going, i just hope we have a plan in place either way. We need to be ready to go as soon as the season ends. 

Yeah, me too - this is my biggest worry with all of this.  Howe has papered over a lot of cracks above him - there needs to be proper, decisive decision-making at the highest levels 

[TRon]

25 minutes ago, magorific said:

“Howe’s transfers…”

I love how he’s apportioned all blame for transfers when that’s patently not his job. I don’t recall him getting proportionate praise for the likes of Bruno and Isak…

As for the Ferguson comparison not being contemporary enough, what about the Tottenham one? What about the Klopp one?

Hypocritical nonsense.

 

If Mitchell had been here and we'd brought these players in, who do you think would have got the blame then? He'd have been crucified. He's getting slammed anyway, and for all we know it might be because he didn't agree with exactly the type of transfer policy we enacted once he was gone. 

[Menace]

12 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Regardless of Howe staying or going, i just hope we have a plan in place either way. We need to be ready to go as soon as the season ends. 

 

We should be identifying managers / players now. I really don't want to see a repeat of last summer. 

[nufc123]

14 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Regardless of Howe staying or going, i just hope we have a plan in place either way. We need to be ready to go as soon as the season ends. 

We went into the transfer window with no people in charge, so no Im not sure about that 

[mouldy_uk]

20 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Regardless of Howe staying or going, i just hope we have a plan in place either way. We need to be ready to go as soon as the season ends. 

If the likes of Gordon want to go, then let’s get him sold at the start of the window even if it means taking slightly less for him. Would be great to have our window (ins and outs) sorted early on (wishful thinking I know)

[toon25]

What are our remaining fixtures?

[Miggys First Goal]

Just now, toon25 said:

What are our remaining fixtures?

Arsenal

BHA

Forest

West Ham

Fulham

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, toon25 said:

What are our remaining fixtures?

 

Arsenal away next 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

12 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

We should be identifying managers / players now. I really don't want to see a repeat of last summer. 

I’m sure we are. Players that is. 
 

This is really the first window for ages we’ve had a proper setup in place.