Eddie Howe

[Moose]

44 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

What do people about TG's rants on Howe?

I think he makes some pretty good points but my god he is an arrogant twat.

 

 

 

 

From what little I've seen of him regarding Howe, he's been pretty much bang on, a little abrasive and OTT and he's still a narcissistic cunt but that's what gets clicks I suppose. 

 

His old Pardew era rants were quite funny from what I remember but then when he moved to London he starting talking like a  roadman and spent more time discussing cartel clubs with gimps like Rory Jennings. I guess he's come crawling back to Newcastle rants now that he's been ostracised from that particular community and his show has fallen of a cliff

 

 

Edited April 19 by Moose

[Deuce]

6 hours ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

The players didn’t win that trophy, too? Or contribute to those great seasons?

 

Eddie Howe is the manager of this football team and the buck stops with him. There are plenty of mitigating circumstances, but ultimately…that’s just too fucking bad. I’m really tired of this “good tsar, bad boyars” act - and it’s far more pervasive than the “blame Eddie for everything” schtick.

[huss9]

53 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

What do people about TG's rants on Howe?

I think he makes some pretty good points but my god he is an arrogant twat.

 

 

 

he's annoying, but he made points that i completely agreed with.

[huss9]

i love Eddie but think its just come to the point where its broken and needs a fresh reset.

new coach to come in and assess the squad and tactics without any hint of loyalty or bias.

bournemouth fans dont want Eddie back, and he's an even bigger legend there.

dont seeing it changing much next season as most of that squad will still be here - 3 or 4 of the better ones leaving.

[Infinitely Content]

Increasingly unpopular opinion I'm aware, but Howe wasn't able to bring in players to refresh his squad for 2-3 windows and yet in that time moved mountains with his achievements. This season has been littered with a mixture of mistakes and misfortune but it seems chicken-hearted to me to get rid of him after his first real blip knowing what he's done for us in difficult circumstances. I don't mean that to be offensive to anyone in any way, I understand why people are frustrated and losing faith. For me it just doesn't feel right to sack him considering the wider context. It would be a real miserable day if it happens.

[huss9]

6 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

Increasingly unpopular opinion I'm aware, but Howe wasn't able to bring in players to refresh his squad for 2-3 windows and yet in that time moved mountains with his achievements. This season has been littered with a mixture of mistakes and misfortune but it seems chicken-hearted to me to get rid of him after his first real blip knowing what he's done for us in difficult circumstances. I don't mean that to be offensive to anyone in any way, I understand why people are frustrated and losing faith. For me it just doesn't feel right to sack him considering the wider context. It would be a real miserable day if it happens.

chicken-hearted or ruthless or ambitious?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Deuce said:

The players didn’t win that trophy, too? Or contribute to those great seasons?

 

Eddie Howe is the manager of this football team and the buck stops with him. There are plenty of mitigating circumstances, but ultimately…that’s just too fucking bad. I’m really tired of this “good tsar, bad boyars” act - and it’s far more pervasive than the “blame Eddie for everything” schtick.

 

I don't think anyone denies the buck stops with him, that phrase means he is ultimately responsible. It doesn't mean he's literally to blame for everything and it certainly doesn't (necessarily) mean the answer is to sack him if we have a bad season.

[huss9]

honest question.... do people think he can turn it round next season with the majority of this squad and a few additions.

can he change, can he become more proactive and less rigid?

 

[Deuce]

11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I don't think anyone denies the buck stops with him, that phrase means he is ultimately responsible. It doesn't mean he's literally to blame for everything and it certainly doesn't (necessarily) mean the answer is to sack him if we have a bad season.

I’m not defining “the buck stops with him” as anything other than “he’s ultimately responsible.” 

 

It’s not a straight line from “bad season -> sacked”, but yes, being sacked is absolutely a possible and justified consequence for a manager who has a bad season, even if said manager is not 100% to blame for everything (which is not the case in any scenario).

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Deuce said:

I’m not defining “the buck stops with him” as anything other than “he’s ultimately responsible.” 

 

It’s not a straight line from “bad season -> sacked”, but yes, being sacked is absolutely a possible and justified consequence for a manager who has a bad season, even if said manager is not 100% to blame for everything (which is not the case in any scenario).

 

Very fair, but I guess that just leads us back to everyone's own opinion about whether they would sack him. 

[Conjo]

33 minutes ago, huss9 said:

honest question.... do people think he can turn it round next season with the majority of this squad and a few additions.

 

Yes

 

33 minutes ago, huss9 said:

can he change, can he become more proactive and less rigid?

 

No

[duo]

The more I think about it the more I have come to the conclusion it's time for him to go. The team we saw on Saturday is a million miles away for the 22/23 side.  That was when we peaked as a team and despite winning a cup, haven't hit those heights again in the league.

 

 

Edited April 19 by duo

[Kid Icarus]

The buck stopping with the manager and him being ultimately responsible if results are poor is usually the orthodoxy that clubs live by, often discounting context.

 

Why we as fans automatically accept that same outlook clubs have as received wisdom that's self-evident for our own positions, without questioning its validity (especially in circumstances where the context sticks out like a sore thumb) I'm not sure. 

 

 

Edited April 19 by Kid Icarus

[Gottlob]

He managed to harness the momentum of the takeover better, in my opinion, than anyone else could have done and has given us two of our best seasons in anyone's living memory. In that respect he surely still has some credit in the bank. And my sense has been that he not only deserves the chance but is as likely as anyone to turn things around given the shorter schedule next season.

 

At the same time it's hard to take any positives from this year whether it's his role in our shoddy summer transfer business or what to me have been his limited, almost tokenistic and anyway largely unsuccessful attempts to adapt our style of play and get the best out of the current squad. I think our transfer failings have been largely self-inflicted and that we have been a poor side since the start of the season, mitigated somewhat by a couple of decent cup showings and the poor quality of teams in general at the moment.

 

Right now we are showing all the signs of a club drifting towards a change of manager. And however galling it might be I'm not sure you can even argue the players are playing for him. One of the canards on here used to be that we were very diligent as well as circumspect in the transfer market. But the squad right now looks full of wantaways or players short on character. So it's a tough situation because Howe has effectively been the club over the past few seasons but it feels like we need a major shakeup.

[astraguy]

[NWMag]

If Eddie does stay, imo he has to move away from this 433 - It’s ran its course and the current squad can’t do it. 
 

we should go with a 3412 (which can still be the current 541 out of possession if needed) as that would only require a couple of signings to be be doable 

 

new GK

 

Thiaw

new CB 

Botman

 

Tino

Tonali

Bruno

Hall

 

Wolt

 

2 up top from current squad would be 2 of Gordon, Wissa, Elanga or Osula, or make a new signing

 

 

Edited April 19 by NWMag

[St. Maximin]

7 minutes ago, astraguy said:

I don’t know if that’s supposed to be points since Jan 2022, but that doesn’t say much. You can easily look a bit deeper than just the position. The gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than the gap between 4th and 9th, so been little between us really. One of those teams finished 17th last year and are on course for relegation. 
 

Then you factor in recent form is what matters most, which this clearly doesn’t show. 

[Mills and Boon]

21 minutes ago, NWMag said:

If Eddie does stay, imo he has to move away from this 433 - It’s ran its course and the current squad can’t do it. 
 

we should go with a 3412 (which can still be the current 541 out of possession if needed) as that would only require a couple of signings to be be doable 

 

new GK

 

Thiaw

new CB 

Botman

 

Tino

Tonali

Bruno

Hall

 

Wolt

 

2 up top from current squad would be 2 of Gordon, Wissa, Elanga or Osula, or make a new signing

 

 

 

 

That's a honking formation seemingly cobbled together just to shoehorn Woltemade into the side. Fuck knows what people have seen from him to make him so important to us

[Mills and Boon]

20 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

I don’t know if that’s supposed to be points since Jan 2022, but that doesn’t say much. You can easily look a bit deeper than just the position. The gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than the gap between 4th and 9th, so been little between us really. One of those teams finished 17th last year and are on course for relegation. 
 

Then you factor in recent form is what matters most, which this clearly doesn’t show. 

 

It doesn't say much? To me it shows Howe has had us overachieving in the league since he's come in. Props to Villa and Brighton too

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Infinitely Content said:

Increasingly unpopular opinion I'm aware, but Howe wasn't able to bring in players to refresh his squad for 2-3 windows and yet in that time moved mountains with his achievements. This season has been littered with a mixture of mistakes and misfortune but it seems chicken-hearted to me to get rid of him after his first real blip knowing what he's done for us in difficult circumstances. I don't mean that to be offensive to anyone in any way, I understand why people are frustrated and losing faith. For me it just doesn't feel right to sack him considering the wider context. It would be a real miserable day if it happens.

He wasn’t, but that’s in part because he didn’t sell players at peak value.  His failures to trade at opportune moments isn’t reflective of good squad management.  PSR existed when he was at Bournemouth, he can’t possibly be unaware of the implications.  
 

Edit: that doesn’t mean PSR hasn’t hamstrung him - but he’s been hamstrung from competing with Liverpool and Man City.  No-one is criticising him for not being in a title charge - he’s being criticised because we don’t appear to be able to compete with Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth etc - and last I checked PSR leaves us better off than them. 

 

 

Edited April 20 by TheBrownBottle

[Moose]

1 hour ago, astraguy said:

 

I get that you're trying to convey that he's consistently performanced over expectations with that table and I don't think anyone would dispute that over the piece but I don't see how anyone could use that as justification for keeping Eddie.

 

That was then, this is now, what will that table look like this time next year? It doesn't take into account that the 4 teams below us have been very hit and miss and gone through managerial changes. It seems the more money Eddie spends, the worse we get (Bournemouth fans said similar), are we going to let him take charge of the major rebuild we're facing this summer?

 

[macphisto]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He wasn’t, but that’s in part because he didn’t sell players at peak value.  His failures to trade at opportune moments isn’t reflective of good squad management.  PSR existed when he was at Bournemouth, he can’t possibly be unaware of the implications.  
 

Edit: that doesn’t mean PSR hasn’t hamstrung him - but he’s been hamstrung from competing with Liverpool and Man City.  No-one is criticising him for not being in a title charge - he’s being criticised because we don’t appear to be able to compete with Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth etc - and last I checked PSR leaves us better off than them. 

Selling players isn't down to Howe. We also have no idea if PIF ever rowed back on how much they intended to put into the club which led to our PSR problems and not buying any players for a few windows. 

 

We can criticise Howe for what happens on the pitch but on the subject of trading players that's more on PIF due to poor senior managerial appointments or lack of.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, macphisto said:

Selling players isn't down to Howe. We also have no idea if PIF ever rowed back on how much they intended to put into the club which led to our PSR problems and not buying any players for a few windows. 

 

We can criticise Howe for what happens on the pitch but on the subject of trading players that's more on PIF due to poor senior managerial appointments or lack of.

PIF investing money would make zero difference to PSR

 

Howe wanted control and got it - do we really think Howe had zero say on players being sold?

[macphisto]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

PIF investing money would make zero difference to PSR

 

Howe wanted control and got it - do we really think Howe had zero say on players being sold?

PIF investing would have made a massive difference as it would have reduced our losses over any given 3 year period. We can only assume that they planned to get around the PSR rules, otherwise they are completely incompetent for leaving us in a position where we couldn't buy any one for a good few windows. 

 

Howe has never wanted control, he only got it as PIF allowed a vacuum to emerge at the top of the club. Having a say in what players are sold to full control are completely different things. 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, macphisto said:

PIF investing would have made a massive difference as it would have reduced our losses over any given 3 year period. We can only assume that they planned to get around the PSR rules, otherwise they are completely incompetent for leaving us in a position where we couldn't buy any one for a good few windows. 

 

Howe has never wanted control, he only got it as PIF allowed a vacuum to emerge at the top of the club. Having a say in what players are sold to full control are completely different things. 

They've always invested up to the maximum amount. They've literally put in 100's of millions