Eddie Howe

[Kimbo]

Europe should still be a possibility despite our form. If the players continue bombing their way to the end of the season and Howe can’t get a reaction out of them, it’s pretty bad all round.
 

[mayubeproud]

23 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

 

Please expand on this inside knowledge. 

Some of our elite players like Gordon, Livramento not looking interested, refuse to run or lose concentration consistently.

Some like Wissa and Willock doesn't really even give a shite. Botman shows no aggression as well.

Most of our better player like Tonali, Gordon, Livramento likely looking to leave in the summer. All of them playing below their supposed level right now.

Some of our high valued signings like Woltemade, Elanga look completely lost and have no confidence at all. Ramsey isn't much better.

Even one of the leaders of our dressing room, Murphy was jogging back watching his LB to score a goal.

 

The only players who are showing some fight as well as confidence are Burn, Hall, Bruno and Osula.

 

 

Edited April 21 by mayubeproud

[huss9]

3 hours ago, St1pe said:

Needs the fan base rounding behind him in my opinion then. 

difficult to if you've been to the last few games home and away.

really difficult.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

6 minutes ago, Wandy said:

With seven games to play CL qualification was still a possibility and EL incredibly achievable. The fact that they have downed tools with that at stake speaks volumes.

 

I think it's really only now the end of season might be kicking in. Before that we were shit but not through lack of effort (IMO).

[J7]

I’m far more worried about what I see in front of me this season than last summers business tbh. Unfortunately I believe this is just delaying the inevitable. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that Eddie is willing to change anything.

[Andy]

There's definitely an argument that the players aren't responding to him tactically like, unless his gameplan all season has been to go through the motions and be passive as fuck for large periods of almost every single game we've played since August, including both before the fixture congestion kicked in and in recent weeks after it had passed. 

 

This obviously speaks volumes about the players themselves too. 

 

I'm completely comfortable with Eddie staying if we are capable of replacing the majority of our team with young, hungry players who actually have something to prove, as I think that is what suits him best.

 

If the plan is to go into next season with a starting eleven of players that have mostly let him down this season who he hasn't been able to get through to, then I'd probably rather roll the dice on someone else. 

[Yorkie]

I'm very happy if the execs etc still think he's their man at this point in time, but I don't feel like he's out of the woods, and he needs to regain total buy-in from the squad. If that doesn't happen then it probably should be curtains, unless we're planning truly wholesale personnel changes.

 

I'm not surprised that their current preference remains to keep him. It's only the last two games where the dial has moved for the likes of me. For all the mackems game was No Excuses!, for me there was some legitimate excuses, and there was hope that we'd see an improvement once the schedule relaxed. But we've been abject since the break and the situation is dire beyond reasonable mitigation.

 

I'm also not surprised because there's probably very little appeal to identify and recruit another manager right now. Not because they're incompetent, but because the summer plans (you'd hope) are already in shape and are based on the premise that he will be manager. If they've accepted that Europe just isn't going to happen and acknowledge that he's not the principal reason for that - and this season's final resting place is fairly immaterial - then you can understand why they're prepared to go again. 

 

But we've got to show something in the final games. We can't go into the summer with wall-to-wall toxicity.

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

I'm not sure it's a lack of effort from the team tbh, it's more like a lack of steeliness. I think unfortunately, there's a real softness throughout the squad and they find it hard to get going / dig in when things aren't falling their way. 

[The Prophet]

Not read the last few pages, is he definitely staying on then?

[Andy]

Genuinely think Hopkinsons' wooly comments have fucked the end of our season as much as anything else btw. Plenty of evidence to suggest that there are enough players of the wrong mindset in our squad who would listen to that and think Eddie was probably away and just half arse it after the international break, sail through to the world cup or their holidays, or just outright feign injury. 

 

Absolutely no surprise that we've somehow been even more listless than we were before those comments. It's still absolutely wild to me how passive we were in the first half of that Palace game, with so much still to play for. 

[Erikse]

6th place is 9 points worse off than what it was at this time last season. Usually 48 points after 33 games (which Chelsea have) means 9th. The requirement of points for top 6 looks to be insanely low this season compared to all other seasons, and this is the only reason why all these mid table teams are within range, so it's really frustrating that we're not even in the mix.

[J7]

15 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I'm also not surprised because there's probably very little appeal to identify and recruit another manager right now. Not because they're incompetent, but because the summer plans (you'd hope) are already in shape and are based on the premise that he will be manager. If they've accepted that Europe just isn't going to happen and acknowledge that he's not the principal reason for that - and this season's final resting place is fairly immaterial - then you can understand why they're prepared to go again. 

 

If this is true, it’s very concerning. If they believe all of the plans rely on one manager being in charge, they’re not doing their job properly.

[TRon]

40 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

 

No its not at all. What about tiredness, laziness, switching off now there's nothing to play for, one eye on the World Cup. Stacks of reasons. 

 

 

Well we've played shit more or less all season in the PL. It's not just now the season's winding down. Same mistakes being made as well, the only point of difference has been the excuses. 

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, J7 said:

21 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I'm also not surprised because there's probably very little appeal to identify and recruit another manager right now. Not because they're incompetent, but because the summer plans (you'd hope) are already in shape and are based on the premise that he will be manager. If they've accepted that Europe just isn't going to happen and acknowledge that he's not the principal reason for that - and this season's final resting place is fairly immaterial - then you can understand why they're prepared to go again. 

 

If this is true, it’s very concerning. If they believe all of the plans rely on one manager being in charge, they’re not doing their job properly.

 

I'm not saying that. But they've assembled the plans based on the idea that he will be, so it's not surprising that their preference is to stick rather than twist.

 

We've absolutely no idea how developed their contingency plan is in the event Howe should go. It's only very recently that his position looks really severely in doubt but then of course it's always sensible to have a successor in mind. 

 

The Hürzeler link didn't seem wildly implausible tbh.

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

I'm not saying that. But they've assembled the plans based on the idea that he will be, so it's not surprising that their preference is to stick rather than twist.

 

We've absolutely no idea how developed their contingency plan is in the event Howe should go. It's only very recently that his position looks really severely in doubt but then of course it's always sensible to have a successor in mind. 

 

The Hürzeler link didn't seem wildly implausible tbh.

 

We might be into the realms of when Man Utd gave Ten Hag and Amirom a fuckload of expensive new signings and then binned them both off within months.

 

Football's a funny owld game.

 

[Yorkie]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

We might be into the realms of when Man Utd gave Ten Hag and Amirom a fuckload of expensive new signings and then binned them both off within months.

 

Football's a funny owld game.

 

 

Yep, it's not an outlandish thought. The difference there of course is that they were new appointments. They at least have some evidence here that the manager can implement a vision. 

[Wolfcastle]

27 minutes ago, Andy said:

Genuinely think Hopkinsons' wooly comments have fucked the end of our season as much as anything else btw. Plenty of evidence to suggest that there are enough players of the wrong mindset in our squad who would listen to that and think Eddie was probably away and just half arse it after the international break, sail through to the world cup or their holidays, or just outright feign injury. 

 

Absolutely no surprise that we've somehow been even more listless than we were before those comments. It's still absolutely wild to me how passive we were in the first half of that Palace game, with so much still to play for. 

Its been no different. Palace away and Bournemouth at home were harder games than Sunderland but just the same all the same.

[Leemond]

If Eddie is staying, then this surely means it's the end of Woltemade and Wissa.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

14 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

We might be into the realms of when Man Utd gave Ten Hag and Amirom a fuckload of expensive new signings and then binned them both off within months.

 

Football's a funny owld game.

 

Not a fair comparison really, those managers didn’t do anything for their clubs. 

[bobbydazzla]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Not a fair comparison really, those managers didn’t do anything for their clubs. 

Ten Hag won a cup ya dafty 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Ten Hag won a cup ya dafty 

Oh yeah

 

He never looked good though. 

[Andy]

18 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Its been no different. Palace away and Bournemouth at home were harder games than Sunderland but just the same all the same.

 

Palace away is a much easier game than a local derby against a team who are in contention for Europe, they've literally got nowt to play for and are phoning it in even more than us. First half in that match was arguably the flattest we've been all season after a 3 week break. 

[HaydnNUFC]

14 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Ten Hag won a cup ya dafty 

2 cups.

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

2 cups.

Tell that to Ian, he thought Ten Hag did nowt 

 

 

Edited April 21 by bobbydazzla

[SUPERTOON]

38 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Yep, it's not an outlandish thought. The difference there of course is that they were new appointments. They at least have some evidence here that the manager can implement a vision. 

Would hope if Howe is staying, that means he has bought into a different transfer strategy. Should hopefully mean, if he was to lose his job, the new signings would be more suited to any replacement.