Eddie Howe

[BlueStar]

3 minutes ago, huss9 said:

lets just accept stasis and live off the past - even if it was a year ago.

we need to be demanding improvement season on season.

living off sentiment never got the big teams to where they are (yes, yes, i know money also helped).

 

i go home and away, i love Eddie.

its gone stale.

but watching us its clear it needs either Eddie and 7 or 8 new first teamers (not squad fillers) - or a new coach.

 

That didn't even rhyme 

[Rocker]

1 minute ago, BlueStar said:

 

That didn't even rhyme 

It's more Tim Key, to be fair. 

[huss9]

4 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

 

That didn't even rhyme 

sing it in a freestyle jazz kind of way.

[Stuy_O]

57 minutes ago, Ben said:

Howe has Bruno back so our performances will be a lot better for the rest of the season, our reliance on one player is a worry though because it means the rest aren't performing 

Our performances weren’t that great when he was in the side, but he was the one finding the goals or driving the side on. 

[Wallsendmag]

50 minutes ago, Abacus said:

On the transfer thing, this summer was a bit of a mess. You can blame who you like for that, up to you, and it's had several knock ons.

 

But what got us there was multiple windows before that where we couldn't spend, with the squad aging all that time and being unable to afford to refresh the team properly.

 

What got us THERE was "overspending" to the point that we needed a fire sale, having overperformed to the unbelievable point of being in the CL, with a few astute signings.

 

But what got us to the point of that "overspending" in the first place was over a decade of not enough investment in the team to leave us with the most threadbare squads I can remember, and actually needing some players to avoid what had seemed like certain relegation under Bruce.

 

That's right, I'm still blaming Ashley half a decade on.

 

As for Howe, I do think we need to see a strong reaction in these last few games. Not talking about winning every game, but signs that the team haven't checked out.

 

Without that, I think there's a strong chance he decides to walk himself in any case.

 

Ashley being as tight as 2 coats of yacht varnish is one of the reasons we've been able to spend a net of around £450m since PIF took over though. We haven't been restricted anywhere near to the levels of Villa for example who have continuously had to sell to buy and as a result have a tiny net spend in that timescale by comparison. In fact they might be in the negative for net spend. That's the only positive thing I'll ever say about him.

 

Anyway...

 

 

 

We went all out in the first few transfer windows (we needed to), made some great signings as well but that was never going to be the norm unless we were extremely clever in how we sold players and unfortunately we were anything but in that respect.

 

Last summer killed us. We all know that At one point we were getting giddy at a front 2 pairing of Isak and Ekitike. We ended up starting the season with none of them. To compound that we spent the Isak money on a lazy player who got injured before he'd kicked a ball for us who we will likely have to write off and another who looks totally unsuited to the English game. To supply them we bought a winger who looks like he's never played football before and to stop the ball going in at the other end a goalkeeper who probably has the worst saves to shots % of any Newcastle keeper ever.

 

Then to compound all of that a few more long standing players who we've come to rely on over the last few years have become unreliable either though injury/form/age.

 

Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing but put all that together and it's a recipe for disaster, which is currently what we are all watching.

 

I think it'll take longer to repair the damage than it did to cause it, we won't be able to spend like we did in PIFs early days here for starters, so I expect another bottom half finish next season despite no European distraction. That's with or without Howe in charge.

[Jonas]

5 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Next year it’ll be 100 years since NUFC last won the title

 

good omens?

I can see the headlines now:

"The hundred year Wor" 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Jonas said:

I can see the headlines now:

"The hundred year Wor" 

‘Centoonnial’ 

 

 

Edited April 22 by TheBrownBottle

[kingxlnc]

3 hours ago, Jonas said:

I can see the headlines now:

"The hundred year Wor" 

Livracentoooooo when he scores the goal that wins the league

[Mattoon]

I am still behind Eddie to turn this round, there is a lot to unravel about this season, we all know how it started, I won't rehash that, the knock on effects are glaringly obvious and as the season has gone on and nothing has improved a nervousness and overcompensation has settled in, Eddie is too scared to change anything as he's desperate for points. Putting Gordon up front instead of trying to bleed in Woltemade and work out how to play with him in the side and subsequently trying to play Wissa into some kind of form are all risks he hasn't been willing to take.

 

There's a lot of hyperbole in here though, yes ultimately the buck stops with the manager, but to put the blame solely at his door is unfair in my opinion. The players have either lost belief in themselves or the project, some are now too old to be effective, some have one foot out the door already and there's others who just look jaded or downright uninterested, with just a couple still fighting for the badge. It's going to be a long, hard slog to the end of the season and unlikely we pick up many more points at all. But I absolutely back Howe to come out swinging and get us back to winning ways once this tumultuous season is behind us.

[KennyUtd]

The headline will be "How the fuck did that happen?"

[PauloGeordio]

25 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

The headline will be "Howe the fuck did that happen?"

 

[magorific]

17 hours ago, JT24 said:

Capology is nonsense. 

What about the other platforms?

What about the fact that, wages-wise, Villa have paid loan players far more than any NUFC player earns?

[The Prophet]

Two takeaway from this page.

 

Anyone demanding season-on-season improvement on the pitch is going to be disappointed until we catch up off it.

 

Linked to that, Ashley has set us back years by i) neglecting to grow our revenue in anyway shape or form, ensuring we'd always hit pretty low ceiling ii) neglecting the academy denying us a talent pool we could blood into the first team or (as grim as it is) sell.

 

 

Edited April 22 by The Prophet

[Ben]

Ive been away over the weekend so I've just got caught up to date with his interview on MOTD.

 

I really enjoyed his long pause when asked if the players have the same fire inside them, looks like a fair few of them are on their way if Howe stays this summer.

 

I think Eddie, Suds and Wilson deserve time for the rebuild.

[Wolfcastle]

11 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Next year it’ll be 100 years since NUFC last won the title

 

good omens?

It'll take the edge off being relegated to league one two seasons later after consecutive 50points deduction punishments for competing errr I mean financial irregularities in accordance with new rules brought in to protect clubs like Sheffield Wednesday and Bury from doing a Chelsea or Man City err I mean Leeds

 

 

Edited April 22 by Wolfcastle

[huss9]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

Two takeaway from this page.

 

Anyone demanding season-on-season improvement on the pitch is going to be disappointed until we catch up off it.

 

Linked to that, Ashley has set us back years by i) neglecting to grow our revenue in anyway shape or form, ensuring we'd always hit pretty low ceiling ii) neglecting the academy denying us a talent pool we could blood into the first team or (as grim as it is) sell.

 

 

 

i think its not so much "demanding", its more "expecting".

and you're right - its on the pitch - which wont always equate to trophies or league placings, and thats fine.

we've seen no improvement on the pitch this season - we've gone backwards.

and we've gotten worse as the season's gone on.

 

i just think Eddie has done as much as he can.

and its a big thank you to him.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

i think its not so much "demanding", its more "expecting".

and you're right - its on the pitch - which wont always equate to trophies or league placings, and thats fine.

we've seen no improvement on the pitch this season - we've gone backwards.

and we've gotten worse as the season's gone on.

 

i just think Eddie has done as much as he can.

and its a big thank you to him.

 

Fair, we've certainly regressed and it's a matter of opinion whether Howe can turn it around.

 

I'd argue until we see our wage bill and general ability to attract quality increase, we're always going to have a natural ceiling. With that will come the odd disappointing season, it's whether we can push the ceiling more often than not.

[The Prophet]

I must say as well. I was naive in thinking with Champions League football and a trophy in the bank that we could hold onto our best players. Last summer was an eye opener.

[timeEd32]

9 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Ashley being as tight as 2 coats of yacht varnish is one of the reasons we've been able to spend a net of around £450m since PIF took over though. We haven't been restricted anywhere near to the levels of Villa for example who have continuously had to sell to buy and as a result have a tiny net spend in that timescale by comparison. In fact they might be in the negative for net spend. That's the only positive thing I'll ever say about him.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can continue to peddle this. Grossly misleading.

[huss9]

i  just want us to be a bit more aggressive with the ambition.

[nufc123]

35 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I must say as well. I was naive in thinking with Champions League football and a trophy in the bank that we could hold onto our best players. Last summer was an eye opener.

Aye CL doesnt mean much to us beside the money income. A year here and there wont mean much to players.

[Shearergol]

12 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I'm not sure how anyone can continue to peddle this. Grossly misleading.

Ashley tried to compete in an F1 race with a Mini Cooper. PIF came in and had to buy an F1 car to compete. At the same time all other teams put the latest tech on their cars and banned us from doing that.

 

Ashley not spending left us needing to spend more than anyone else just to stay behind them. 

[TheBrownBottle]

47 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I must say as well. I was naive in thinking with Champions League football and a trophy in the bank that we could hold onto our best players. Last summer was an eye opener.

The best players want to try to win the CL, not see it as epoch-making to qualify

 

And with the best will in the world, the League Cup is borderline meaningless to top players.  

[TRon]

53 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I must say as well. I was naive in thinking with Champions League football and a trophy in the bank that we could hold onto our best players. Last summer was an eye opener.

 

Being able to pay the top wages really does make a massive difference. 

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The best players want to try to win the CL, not see it as epoch-making to qualify

 

And with the best will in the world, the League Cup is borderline meaningless to top players.  

Whilst you are probably right, none of our top players are good enough for teams capable of winning the champions league imo.