Eddie Howe

[bobbydazzla]

12 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Depends which games and at what times he scored those 4 goals. Where would we be if we had 12 more points?

Let’s go like for like 
 

Spurs away

Palace at home 

West Ham away

3rd round of the league cup 

 

 

[Coffee_Johnny]

9 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Eddie is now joint 1st in PL wins as NUFC manager…

 

1. Keegan - 83 wins (achieved in 162 games)

2. Howe - 83 wins (achieved in 176 games)

3. Robson - 83 wins (achieved in 188 games)

 

He’s absolutely going to go down as the best and most successful manager in NUFC history, statistically. He has also won us a cup and got to two Champions Leagues in 4 years.

 

So aye, of course he deserves a chance to right the wrongs of this season… something I’m 99.9% positive he will do. When it’s all laid out, it’s pretty ridiculous that the fanbase have managed to work themselves up into so much of a frenzy these last few weeks, in my opinion, when the facts are there for all to see.

 

Give statistically our most successful manager (and many people’s favourite ever) more time, and he will deliver. Don’t let one bad season undo an amazing trajectory and legacy.

I thought Howe would have caught Keegan by the end of this season in terms of points per game (ppg; PL only). In reality he has drifted back to being closer, league performance wise, to Robson.  Still second best in our PL/Premiership era, which doesn't even take account of his superior performance in cups (in general as well as the win) which is not too shabby by anyone's standards. However, guess I am saying that even though he will chalk up more league wins, to take him past 83, a more nuanced view is the ppg;  and he has gone backwards on this stat. 

 

 

On the cup superiority, Howe has won 61.5% of 52 games. Robson won 51.8% of 58 games, and Keegan won 52.3% of 44 games. 

 

 

Edited May 4 by Coffee_Johnny

[Wallsendmag]

19 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

The transfer fee would have been close to half I’d think as he would’ve still kicked up a fuss to leave. I maintain we sold him for an unbelievable / incredible fee given how much his body was holding up, it was just he plan to replace him failed.

 

 

 

 

The fee for Isak was incredible business and we should have snapped their hands off as soon as it became evident that they were prepared to pay £125m and he wanted to leave. Absolutely silly money for a 26 year old with a bad record of injuries regardless of his talent.

 

In saying that I do understand why we didn't want to lose him and I also think it was us lot trying to prove a point that we're one of the big boys now and we won't be pushed around, but selling well, and at the right times, is as important as the buying side in these days of PSR/FFP. Hopefully we've learned from that particularly bad experience and that we are a bit more streetwise if a similar scenario was to crop up in future.

 

If the Isak deal is done quicker no way do we panic and pay £55m for that plank Wissa.

[Stuy_O]

1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Howe wanted Trafford and Guehi but Mitchel blocked them both. Like it's pretty obvious that Howe has failed this season regardless of how bad the summer was, but I think people are under playing what actually did happen during that window and the one before it. 

 
we were willing to pay 60 million plus for Guehi the same summer we sold Anderson due to PSR and also went after Trafford till he went to City. 
 

The transfer policy Mitchell slated was the above. 

[duo]

37 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Isak’s played 1000 minutes and scored 4 this season.

Let’s imagine he’d stayed and that’s all we got out of him.

Let's not delude ourselves that if he had stayed we could have kicked on this season.  Speaking of Isak I seem to remember around this time Ornstein saying “But for now, he’s definitely there to stay.” 

[Mole]

6 minutes ago, duo said:

Let's not delude ourselves that if he had stayed we could have kicked on this season.  Speaking of Isak I seem to remember around this time Ornstein saying “But for now, he’s definitely there to stay.” 

And he would have if he wanted to, those are not the same things at all. It changed because Isak wanted to leave.

[SUPERTOON]

47 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I thought Liverpool kicked on because they kept faith with Klopp despite him wanting to play only one style… high energy heavy metal football and major say in transfers. They just could afford a bigger depth of squad to compete on four fronts. 
 

He had lots of technical quality as well in his side tbf.

[Mole]

Mane and Salah are worlds apart from our lot, if you want to use Klopp as a blueprint your wingers have to genuinely be matchwinners. No one Howe has to call on can be considered anywhere close to that. There a lot of problems with the current team but if the wingers were genuine, top quality it would hide a lot of problems.

[Danh1]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Would love to move this thread along a bit...

 

What are people expecting from the summer/ next season? Any evolution in style? A return to a more intense press? Quiet or busy window? What type of players are we expecting to come and go?

Honestly, no idea what to expect. Feels like we are in uncharted territory somewhat given that the club have made noises about changing our approach re recruitment. Clearly they will be using data more with that Sugs mush coming in. 
 

I would like to think we will see evolution in our style. Not sure I can be arsed with more of the same next season, where teams give us the ball knowing we can do fuck all with it. 
 

Be interesting to see how it all pans out, but as I said the other day I’m unsure if Howe will get away with another slow start next season. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I know a lot of the links we’ve had are sexy, does indicate interest in young forrin lads.
 

I don’t believe our existing policy was that bad either TBH, Iast summer was exceptionally bad compared to the bigger picture. 

 

 

Edited May 4 by AyeDubbleYoo

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I know a lot of the links we’ve had are sexy, does indicate interest in young European lads.
 

I don’t believe our existing policy was that bad either TBH, Iast summer was exceptionally bad compared to the bigger picture. 

Thing is, that was the first transfer window in 2 years (I think), that we had signed anyone. I’m not even sure we had a policy anymore after Ashworth left and the Mitchell debacle.

[Holmesy]

49 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I thought Liverpool kicked on because they kept faith with Klopp despite him wanting to play only one style… high energy heavy metal football and major say in transfers. They just could afford a bigger depth of squad to compete on four fronts. 
 

They signed Alisson, Van Dijk, Keita, Shaqiri and Fabinho using the money from the Coutinho sale, transforming their team. 
And they kept faith with Klopp. 
 

I know what you’re trying to do but we’re talking about the use of transfer funds from selling key players. They did it well, Villa did it well, we and Spurs did it poorly. 

 

[Magpie Mover]

18 hours ago, LFEE said:

“Can’t forgive”

 

What a silly attitude to have.

Losing twice to the newly promoted mackems who bought a new squad for the price of a couple of our forwards is pretty unforgivable. 

[Shadow Puppets]

3 minutes ago, Magpie Mover said:

Losing twice to the newly promoted mackems who bought a new squad for the price of a couple of our forwards is pretty unforgivable. 

Only if you’re incredibly short-sighted and overly weigh the importance of one fixture.

[janpawel]

21 minutes ago, Mole said:

Mane and Salah are worlds apart from our lot, if you want to use Klopp as a blueprint your wingers have to genuinely be matchwinners. No one Howe has to call on can be considered anywhere close to that. There a lot of problems with the current team but if the wingers were genuine, top quality it would hide a lot of problems.

 

Yeah, recruitment and the players at your disposal is the important thing 

 

Allison, VVD and Salah are arguably 3 of the best ever in their positions in the PL, plus TAA, Robertson, Mane, Firmino etc, genuine top 3 in the world players for their positions 

 

No comparison to us even if they liked to play an intense style of football 

[Crimson Cardigan]

7 minutes ago, Magpie Mover said:

Losing twice to the newly promoted mackems who bought a new squad for the price of a couple of our forwards is pretty unforgivable. 

We won a cup. Finally. If the price was a shit season afterwards I’d take that a deal every single time.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

More and more pleased with this decision TBH. 
 

This season has been tough but Howe has never given up and neither have the players. That shows a lot of tenacity and belief from all parties, would’ve been so easy for the spirit to fall apart completely. In some clubs it would’ve been a complete disaster. 
 

Refreshing from a PL ownership to not buy into the ‘any other manager would be sacked’ bullshit and actually take a broader view of what’s happening. They have filled the key roles around Howe and now they’re giving him a chance to take us forward. In any world that makes a lot of sense.
 

Nothing is guaranteed about next season but we’ve made a brave and quite unusual call and I’m happy to see how it plays out.  

[Milburn]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

I thought Liverpool kicked on because they kept faith with Klopp despite him wanting to play only one style… high energy heavy metal football and major say in transfers. They just could afford a bigger depth of squad to compete on four fronts. 
 

I think that comparison is a bit off, to be honest. Comparing Howe to Jürgen Klopp doesn’t really hold. Klopp is on a completely different level as a manager.

 

And even Klopp evolved. That “heavy metal football” got more controlled and adaptable over time, and more importantly, Liverpool built a proper structure around him. Recruitment wasn’t just “give Klopp what he wants”, it was data-driven and club-led.

 

That’s the key difference. It wasn’t just about backing a manager with one style. It was about evolving both the team and the structure.

 

Right now, we’re not really seeing that same evolution. I’m actually looking forward to the summer as it’ll be the first real test of whether there’s been any learning from what’s happened.

[Chicken Dancer]

Always narks me people downplay the derby like. Don’t get me wrong I personally don’t think managers should be binned because of losing them games but they’re still the most important two games when the fixtures come out in June. 
 

Anybody who says otherwise is either not from the area or is just trying to look cool. Obviously as the season progresses other games can become

important (cup knockouts etc), but the importance of the derby should be drilled into the players for weeks prior. 
 

Losing to them twice you can accept but  the two performances we put in were borderline unforgivable. 

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Would love to move this thread along a bit...

 

What are people expecting from the summer/ next season? Any evolution in style? A return to a more intense press? Quiet or busy window? What type of players are we expecting to come and go?

Can’t see any evolution in style beyond maybe integrating a proper #6 but hopefully we sign some excellent young talent for both the first team and to bolster the squad. 
I hope the window is far busier than Eddie has hinted at - we need a refresh. 

 

More goal threat is a must - we need goals from RW, striker and midfield. And we desperately need a new starting keeper.

 

Hoping for 5-6 new signings. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

If you're going to keep talking in these terms why don't you at least refer to the net spend (~£90m)? And why won't you acknowledge that the team was always going to get worse when Isak left, regardless of who came in?

 

I'm not saying the signings have been good but referring exclusively to the spend and removing all other factors is extremely selective.

Happy to refer to net spend where appropriate - but it is meaningless when you’ve misspent what was spent.

 

The team was likely to get worse, agreed - but to this extent?  No, I don’t think there’s a justification for that. 
 

It might actually indicate that Howe’s side was completely reliant on a couple of players if anything - that having a player like Isak massively papered over huge cracks.  It’s not indicative of great management. 

[TheBrownBottle]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Always narks me people downplay the derby like. Don’t get me wrong I personally don’t think managers should be binned because of losing them games but they’re still the most important two games when the fixtures come out in June. 
 

Anybody who says otherwise is either not from the area or is just trying to look cool. Obviously as the season progresses other games can become

important (cup knockouts etc), but the importance of the derby should be drilled into the players for weeks prior. 
 

Losing to them twice you can accept but  the two performances we put in were borderline unforgivable. 

Tbh this is the only thing re NUFC where anyone not from an NE postcode should keep their opinions very firmly to themselves.  If you think that surrendering to that lot twice in a season (they weren’t just losses, they were pathetic, limp, gutless, cowardly displays of ineptitude) is of no import or is no different to losing to any other side then I’m at a complete loss.

 

They were an absolute disgrace - and the only thing I’ll ever give Gullit credit for is that he walked after a pathetic derby defeat.  That’s what actual integrity looks like. 

 

 

Edited May 4 by TheBrownBottle

[The Prophet]

Managers who treat the derby like any other game do tend to perform better in them though.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, The Prophet said:

Managers who treat the derby like any other game do tend to perform better in them though.

 

Like who?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I want to beat Sunderland but it doesn’t define the season if we don’t. I’m not trying to look cool, that ship has sailed I reckon. I just don’t care ‘that’ much. 
 

Maybe I’m lucky because none of my colleagues and very few friends talk about football. So it’s quite easy to move on. 

 

 

Edited May 4 by AyeDubbleYoo