Eddie Howe

[The Prophet]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Like who?

 

I think it was Wenger that originally said it was the best approach, but Pep has also repeated as much of late.

 

Makes sense though, players under less pressure tend to perform better. We've seen plenty of managers overdo it and fall flat.

[J7]

We need more than 5/6 signings like. We need two keepers for a start. We’ve got one full back on each side, Schar and Burn are about done. Tonali leaves, Gordon leaves, we need a RW and he doesn’t like our strikers. Said a couple of years ago when we failed on Guehi that we were going to get to this point where too many old players fall off a cliff around the same time. And here we are. Burn, Schar, Kraft, Trippier, Murphy, Pope, Wilson already gone.

[Mills and Boon]

It's more than just another game, but it's less important than a cup game. Certainly less important than a champions league knockout game against Barcelona 

[Chicken Dancer]

15 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Managers who treat the derby like any other game do tend to perform better in them though.

 

I would actually tend to agree with this about any game (finals, derbies etc), but the mackems are actually proof of the opposite. 

Call it tinpot or whatever but it’s drilled into them cunts from the minute they arrive on wearside how important it means to the fans to beat us and they treat it as such. Seems to have sadly worked a treat over the last 10-15 times we’ve played them.

 

 

Edited May 4 by Chicken Dancer

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I would actually tend to agree with this about any game (finals, derbies etc), but the mackems are actually proof of the opposite. 

Call it tinpot or whatever but it’s drilled into them cunts from the minute they arrive on wearside how important it means to the fans to beat us and the treat it it as such. Seems to have sadly worked a treat over the last 10-15 times we’ve played them.

 

Oh yeah, there's undoubtedly a happy medium to be had.

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I think it was Wenger that originally said it was the best approach, but Pep has also repeated as much of late.

 

Makes sense though, players under less pressure tend to perform better. We've seen plenty of managers overdo it and fall flat.

Ah, got you - thought you meant former NUFC managers.  
 

Pep has never managed in a derby where the local rivals are also both club’s biggest rivals - he’s never experienced anything like that.  Man City aren’t the club Man Utd want to beat the most.  I wonder if he’d have said similar about games vs R Madrid when he was at Barcelona?

 

The North London Derby is as wet as they come tbh - and Spurs weren’t anywhere near Arsenal for most of the time when Wenger was there.  
 

We definitely looked like we weren’t playing with much pressure on us in those matches - both performances were limp.   We didn’t look like a side folding under pressure - we looked like a side who didn’t realise there was pressure. 

[huss9]

PIF are playing it safe again.

afraid to take a risk and progress.

Eddie is great but is he getting better?

its gonna be same again next season.

first time he's started to throw players under the bus.

i went with the players that have never let me down - pure bullshit and pissed off half the squad.

 

[Dr Venkman]

32 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Tbh this is the only thing re NUFC where anyone not from an NE postcode should keep their opinions very firmly to themselves.  If you think that surrendering to that lot twice in a season (they weren’t just losses, they were pathetic, limp, gutless, cowardly displays of ineptitude) is of no import or is no different to losing to any other side then I’m at a complete loss.

 

They were an absolute disgrace - and the only thing I’ll ever give Gullit credit for is that he walked after a pathetic derby defeat.  That’s what actual integrity looks like. 

As opposed to?

[KennyUtd]

6 minutes ago, huss9 said:

PIF are playing it safe again.

afraid to take a risk and progress.

Eddie is great but is he getting better?

its gonna be same again next season.

first time he's started to throw players under the bus.

i went with the players that have never let me down - pure bullshit and pissed off half the squad.

 

What the actual fuck?????

[Holloway]

19 hours ago, Elma said:

 

Completely agree. My only worry is that he shat the bed again yesterday, not changing it up when they started to get a grip after halftime. It seems the oppo has to score before he'll react.

 

It's only Minteh's poor finishing that saved us yesterday, and that was the difference between the recent capitulations and three points.

 

I could see an improvement in initial game plan though and he definitely deserves another year. As you say though, he has to acknowledge and change. I'm still not seeing proactive game management.

Haddaway and shite man 

[Kimbo]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Would love to move this thread along a bit...

 

What are people expecting from the summer/ next season? Any evolution in style? A return to a more intense press? Quiet or busy window? What type of players are we expecting to come and go?

I’m expecting him to double down on the style that brought him success (it might tripling down at this point). He needs a good start and isn’t going to trust anything else.

 

I was expecting a busy window but Howe’s comments on 6 transfers being too much last summer have tempered that a bit. I’m a bit concerned he will be resistant to too much change, and I’m reminded of him trying to keep Callum Wilson in the summer. Hypothetically, if we receive a bid for Murphy and the transfer team have a replacement in mind, is he going to say no because Murphy is a trusted player? Hopefully there is someone that can overrule him if necessary.

[Ben]

6 minutes ago, huss9 said:

PIF are playing it safe again.

afraid to take a risk and progress.

Eddie is great but is he getting better?

its gonna be same again next season.

first time he's started to throw players under the bus.

i went with the players that have never let me down - pure bullshit and pissed off half the squad.

 

 

TBF we dont know what Eddie said last week during his presentation, he must have impressed them with his plan for next season 

[Deuce]

11 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Eddie is now joint 1st in PL wins as NUFC manager…

 

1. Keegan - 83 wins (achieved in 162 games)

2. Howe - 83 wins (achieved in 176 games)

3. Robson - 83 wins (achieved in 188 games)

 

He’s absolutely going to go down as the best and most successful manager in NUFC history, statistically. He has also won us a cup and got to two Champions Leagues in 4 years.

 

So aye, of course he deserves a chance to right the wrongs of this season… something I’m 99.9% positive he will do. When it’s all laid out, it’s pretty ridiculous that the fanbase have managed to work themselves up into so much of a frenzy these last few weeks, in my opinion, when the facts are there for all to see.

 

Give statistically our most successful manager (and many people’s favourite ever) more time, and he will deliver. Don’t let one bad season undo an amazing trajectory and legacy.

By that list, Keegan is statistically our most successful manager. And simply having the most wins wouldn’t be cause for keeping a manager who would otherwise deserve the sack.

 

The disgruntled supporters weren’t arriving at that point out of nowhere. Before the weekend we’d lost 9 out of the previous 12 league games, in a season in which we’ve played the worst football of Howe’s tenure.

[Shadow Puppets]

11 minutes ago, Deuce said:

By that list, Keegan is statistically our most successful manager. And simply having the most wins wouldn’t be cause for keeping a manager who would otherwise deserve the sack.

 

The disgruntled supporters weren’t arriving at that point out of nowhere. Before the weekend we’d lost 9 out of the previous 12 league games, in a season in which we’ve played the worst football of Howe’s tenure.

 

Did Keegan win a cup?

 

And surely as soon as Eddie wins one more game, he’s statistically our best ever. The others didn’t stick around long enough. Having the most wins should absolutely be cause for keeping a manager during a rough period… why shouldn’t it?
 

On another note… this short-sighted, modern day, instant gratification bollocks that infests every day life is the absolute pits.
 

Support the man who gave us our best days, who works harder every day for this club than any manager I can recount, and who has actually backed it up and has the receipts. If you can’t back him after a rough spell (even one where he’s clearly struggled), who can you?

 

Also, over the last few weeks I’ve been hearing a lot about how there’s “no room for sentimentality in football”… why exactly? It seems pretty much that every club that sticks with a manager long term has more success than those who chop and change… and I’d prefer to have an emotional attachment to my club, manager and players than be like Chelsea of Man Utd. 

 

Arsenal fans were calling for Arteta’s head last season… now he’s on the verge of winning the league and taking them to a Champions League Final.

 

Pep had a really rough season last season, Man City fans were calling for his head on Talksport every week… “his time is up” etc… the club stuck by him and he’s going to take Arsenal all the way to the final day most likely, and potentially win 2 other cups.

 

There are dozens more examples where sticking with a manager who has already proven to be a great fit brings more success than chopping and changing at the first real sign of problems.

 

Patience and support… that’s all that’s really needed.

[Danh1]

1 hour ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Always narks me people downplay the derby like. Don’t get me wrong I personally don’t think managers should be binned because of losing them games but they’re still the most important two games when the fixtures come out in June. 
 

Anybody who says otherwise is either not from the area or is just trying to look cool. Obviously as the season progresses other games can become

important (cup knockouts etc), but the importance of the derby should be drilled into the players for weeks prior. 
 

Losing to them twice you can accept but  the two performances we put in were borderline unforgivable. 

I left the ground angrier after the derby than I have probably since the Pardew days. It’s a huge game, maybe not in the context of final positions in the league, but it’s still massive. 
 

It wasn’t even just that we lost, but the manner of it. Both of them were a disgrace.

 

Redemption time next season. 

[Andy]

27 minutes ago, Deuce said:

The disgruntled supporters weren’t arriving at that point out of nowhere. Before the weekend we’d lost 9 out of the previous 12 league games, in a season in which we’ve played the worst football of Howe’s tenure.

 

I agree with this like. It's definitely not ridiculous that people were/are questioning Howe's capacity to carry the club forward after the recent dismal run of form and performances, and a win against Brighton doesn't suddenly make everything completely rosy. 

 

I think it is pretty rational to have doubts given that Howe himself has shown precedent at Bournemouth for struggling to turn around strong backwards momentum, particularly with his preferred tactical style seemingly being negated by most premier league clubs this season. 

 

He absolutely has credit in the bank and deserves another crack at it for me, but at the same time it's not obscene for people to have doubts about whether that is the right thing to do. People are basing this judgment on whether they think he can adapt and change tactically, something we've never really seen from him yet with any kind of consistent success. 

[Stuy_O]

34 minutes ago, Deuce said:

By that list, Keegan is statistically our most successful manager. And simply having the most wins wouldn’t be cause for keeping a manager who would otherwise deserve the sack.

 

The disgruntled supporters weren’t arriving at that point out of nowhere. Before the weekend we’d lost 9 out of the previous 12 league games, in a season in which we’ve played the worst football of Howe’s tenure.

 
10 wins out of 27 in all comps since the turn of the year. All the summers fault. 

[Weezertron]

5 hours ago, cubaricho said:

The ones that just got him his first win in (can’t be bothered to look it up)?

 

The lineup people are so fucking precious right now. The people who think they know better than our manager.  

 

Just enjoy a few points y'all. 

 

No issue with the line up. He can choose who he wants. Squad harmony was more my worry. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I want to beat Sunderland but it doesn’t define the season if we don’t. I’m not trying to look cool, that ship has sailed I reckon. I just don’t care ‘that’ much. 
 

Maybe I’m lucky because none of my colleagues and very few friends talk about football. So it’s quite easy to move on. 

 

 

 

 

I'll never, ever understand any NUFC with that attitude mind. Not caring that much whether they beat us or we beat them is just bizarre to me.

 

Could understand it a bit more of fans who aren't from the area but even then it seems strange.

 

Our fanbase has definitely changed in mentality over the past decade or so it has to be said. 

 

They hate us and are desperate to beat us more than any other team and that works the other way for me. Always has, always will.

[Deuce]

5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Did Keegan win a cup?

 

And surely as soon as Eddie wins one more game, he’s statistically our best ever. The others didn’t stick around long enough. Having the most wins should absolutely be cause for keeping a manager during a rough period… why shouldn’t it?

You posted a list of the managers with the most wins and how many games it took each to reach that number of wins…Keegan did it in 14 fewer games.

 

Having the most wins is an accomplishment for sure and Howe will likely achieve that before season’s end. And yes his track record is largely why he’s coming back for next season. But if we’re 13th this time next season, our winningest ever manager, with a cup win under his belt, will rightfully be sacked.

[Holloway]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I want to beat Sunderland but it doesn’t define the season if we don’t. I’m not trying to look cool, that ship has sailed I reckon. I just don’t care ‘that’ much. 
 

Maybe I’m lucky because none of my colleagues and very few friends talk about football. So it’s quite easy to move on. 

 

 

 

I"d call that unlucky meself

[J7]

17 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

 

Did Keegan win a cup?

 

And surely as soon as Eddie wins one more game, he’s statistically our best ever. The others didn’t stick around long enough. Having the most wins should absolutely be cause for keeping a manager during a rough period… why shouldn’t it?
 

On another note… this short-sighted, modern day, instant gratification bollocks that infests every day life is the absolute pits.
 

Support the man who gave us our best days, who works harder every day for this club than any manager I can recount, and who has actually backed it up and has the receipts. If you can’t back him after a rough spell (even one where he’s clearly struggled), who can you?

 

Also, over the last few weeks I’ve been hearing a lot about how there’s “no room for sentimentality in football”… why exactly? It seems pretty much that every club that sticks with a manager long term has more success than those who chop and change… and I’d prefer to have an emotional attachment to my club, manager and players than be like Chelsea of Man Utd. 

 

Arsenal fans were calling for Arteta’s head last season… now he’s on the verge of winning the league and taking them to a Champions League Final.

 

Pep had a really rough season last season, Man City fans were calling for his head on Talksport every week… “his time is up” etc… the club stuck by him and he’s going to take Arsenal all the way to the final day most likely, and potentially win 2 other cups.

 

There are dozens more examples where sticking with a manager who has already proven to be a great fit brings more success than chopping and changing at the first real sign of problems.

 

Patience and support… that’s all that’s really needed.

Nothing to do with ‘short sighted, modern day, instant gratification bollocks’. 
 

You clearly have confidence he can change things and turn it around. Others don’t. Nothing to do with shortsightedness or the need for instant gratification. 
 

I personally want us to be heading in the right direction and have confidence that we have a manager who can move us forward. I don’t have the confidence that Howe can turn this around now. It might be a different opinion from you, but it’s not short sighted and I think it would be a long slog for anyone coming in given our squad and where we are at the moment. I’d expect a mid table transitional season with a new manager given the changes needed. 

[huss9]

7 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

 

No issue with the line up. He can choose who he wants. Squad harmony was more my worry. 

agree.

he didnt have to say what he said in the presser.

 

[Holmesy]

7 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

I agree with this like. It's definitely not ridiculous that people were/are questioning Howe's capacity to carry the club forward after the recent dismal run of form and performances, and a win against Brighton doesn't suddenly make everything completely rosy. 

 

I think it is pretty rational to have doubts given that Howe himself has shown precedent at Bournemouth for struggling to turn around strong backwards momentum, particularly with his preferred tactical style seemingly being negated by most premier league clubs this season. 

 

He absolutely has credit in the bank and deserves another crack at it for me, but at the same time it's not obscene for people to have doubts about whether that is the right thing to do. People are basing this judgment on whether they think he can adapt and change tactically, something we've never really seen from him yet with any kind of consistent success. 

I think this is the crux. The idea that Eddie has turned us around multiple times is false - he's done it once when he saved us from relegation. We've had drops in form but never a crisis like this.
The confidence is his ability to do it this time comes from the momentum he has built and the cup win. But what we're looking at now is an unknown, a situation he hasn't navigated with us before and the only reference point we have is his time at Bournemouth. But, I'm not upset that they're giving him the chance to try and turn it around. We just have to get behind him and hope he can adapt.

Let's just hope for a good summer, an injury-free pre-season and a few early, confidence-building results.

[Hhtoon]

With Trafford and any 2 of Cunha, Mbembo, Ekitike or Pedro, and it would have been a different season. I'm sure Howe would have made that point to his bosses.

 

Still probably should have been better but there is enough "mitigation" (in my view) for Howe to be given the chance next season.

 

Hopefully the club can get him players from the top of his list this summer.