Eddie Howe

[Gawalls]

6 minutes ago, andycap said:

Easily see us getting into Europe? 

The way he has us playing your having a giraffe. 

Don't you see - it's everybody else fault but his 

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Don't you see - it's everybody else fault but his 

 

Absolutely nobody is saying this on here.

[Astroblack]

1 minute ago, NUFC91 said:

 

I love Eddie but highlighting them games is massively low balling what the standards should be.

 

1.Chelsea lost 5 games in a row and having their worst season in years.

2. We did beat Man city and played well but we got beat 5-1 on aggregate in carabao.

3. Saying we played well v Barca for 44 doesn't matter when we got beat 7-3.

4. Losing a lot of games by 1-0 isn't a positive.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but we're having a bad season, too, so 

 

Chelsea have a 2 billion pound squad, we beat em. They're having a bad run, whatever, they're "world champions. We're having a bad run. So you're justifying Chelsea's bad run but won't justify ours? Very kind of you to be so benevolent to Chelsea. CHELSEA ffs. 

City are cyborgs, they're not even a real football team. Yeah we lost to the eventual champions but we also beat them in the league. Cup game, you go behind and you chase, you have nothing to lose, you have to go for it. 

Yea we lost to the SPANISH CHAMPIONS because we were trying to score. We did very well against Barcelona until we conceded the pen, We could have won that game. Bayern were a goal down going into the second leg, and they had to chase and left themselves vulnerable. Are they a bad team? 

We're not getting smashed. We're losing on fine margins. 

 

Also we played what? 55? games this year. Aside from Villa, all the other teams above us have played 36-40. Squad is depleted as it is, we got the leftover players nobody else wanted and we still competed in all coemptions. We were within touching distance of Europe before the dip we had. 

 

I can't believe people can even doubt Eddie. Absolutely mystified. Yea we lost four games on the trot, but you know what else we've done? Won eight games in a row and I don't know any other Newcastle manager who's done that. 

 

 

[Jonas]

26 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

That's not even true. Not at all. 

 

Fuck Souness but post Liverpool where he won the FA Cup as a manager btw he won the Turkish cup with Galatasaray and the League Cup with Blackburn in 02. That's not failing. Not at all. 

 

 

Only winning a cup at Liverpool and Galatasray was failure. Why do you think they sacked him? Those two clubs were the dominant forces.

Finishing 2nd had been a bad season for Liverpool for generations prior to that, they were midtable under Souness and he finished 4th at Galatasaray which is hard to do (though he did the same at Benfica which is as equally difficult)

They also played one top division club in that cup run and he never won another FA Cup game at either Liverpool or Southampton which included multiple upsets, normally at home.

And by all accounts was going to get sacked by Blackburn when we hired him.

 

 

Edited May 11 by Jonas

[Keegans Export]

1 hour ago, Alberto2005 said:

Given Ornstein's comments, do we think he is definitely staying or do people still have doubts?

There's plenty on here who are better connected than me but from what I've been told there's been a big misunderstanding about that Ornstein article.

 

The club are working on the assumption that he'll be here next season but that's always been the case. The Ornstein article is written (intentionally or not) as if something has fundamentally changed, like beating Brighton means they are definitely not going to sack him, but that isn't correct. The next three (now two) games still matter. 

[Gawalls]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Absolutely nobody is saying this on here.

My apologies, I'm just on the wind up - in a weird mood.

[ianbeany]

10 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

I can't believe people can even doubt Eddie. Absolutely mystified.

 

 

   That is one of the maddest things I've ever read on here

[bobbydazzla]

42 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

I love Eddie but highlighting them games is massively low balling what the standards should be.

 

1.Chelsea lost 5 games in a row and having their worst season in years.

2. We did beat Man city and played well but we got beat 5-1 on aggregate in carabao.

3. Saying we played well v Barca for 44 doesn't matter when we got beat 7-3.

4. Losing a lot of games by 1-0 isn't a positive.

 

 

 

I started a reply to that same post you’re replying to, but with a bullet point with a few words on every game we’d lost or drawn because we’d either conceded at the death or thrown away a lead.

 

But the list was so massive that I decided not to post it because people don’t need that level of depression in their lives, the world is grim enough already without a list detailing every time NUFC have shot themselves in the foot this season. It really was a lengthy tragic list though.

 

 

Edited May 11 by bobbydazzla

[NUFC91]

16 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

 

Yes but we're having a bad season, too, so 

 

Chelsea have a 2 billion pound squad, we beat em. They're having a bad run, whatever, they're "world champions. We're having a bad run. So you're justifying Chelsea's bad run but won't justify ours? Very kind of you to be so benevolent to Chelsea. CHELSEA ffs. 

City are cyborgs, they're not even a real football team. Yeah we lost to the eventual champions but we also beat them in the league. Cup game, you go behind and you chase, you have nothing to lose, you have to go for it. 

Yea we lost to the SPANISH CHAMPIONS because we were trying to score. We did very well against Barcelona until we conceded the pen, We could have won that game. Bayern were a goal down going into the second leg, and they had to chase and left themselves vulnerable. Are they a bad team? 

We're not getting smashed. We're losing on fine margins. 

 

Also we played what? 55? games this year. Aside from Villa, all the other teams above us have played 36-40. Squad is depleted as it is, we got the leftover players nobody else wanted and we still competed in all coemptions. We were within touching distance of Europe before the dip we had. 

 

I can't believe people can even doubt Eddie. Absolutely mystified. Yea we lost four games on the trot, but you know what else we've done? Won eight games in a row and I don't know any other Newcastle manager who's done that. 

 

 

 

Very strange points, City aren't a real football team?

 

Chelsea have lost more home games this season than they have won and are 10th in the league ? I'm not denying we lost to the Spanish champions I just find it daft saying we played well for 44 mins when we lost 7-3.

 

Again you play lots of games in Europe, we can't keep using this is as an excuse, what should we do just not strive for Europe?

 

I'm not doubting Howe, he's my favourite Newcastle manager, I'm just saying I don't think the points you made matter to match as a season is longer than individual games.

 

 

 

Edited May 11 by NUFC91

[Astroblack]

7 minutes ago, Jonas said:

Only winning a cup at Liverpool and only winning the Turkish cup at Galatasray was failure. Why do you think they sacked him? Those two clubs were the dominant forces

Finishing 2nd had been a bad season for Liverpool for generations prior to that. They also played one top division club in that cup run and he never won another FA Cup game at either Liverpool or Southampton, lost to Peterborough with Liverpool. 

Failed at Benfica and by all accounts was going to get sacked by Blackburn when we hired him.

 

Honestly these are not bad manager stats. 

 

 

Benfica - 41 win, 15 draws, 15 losses. That's not bad. 

He got Blackburn promoted, won them a cup and kept them in the league. That's a good job. I hate the fucker but that is a respectable job. 

58 win percentage at Galatasaray + a cup, sounds pretty good to me. 

 

Liverpool stats are horrific, I'll give you that but I think he's had a decent managerial career tbh. Southampton have perennially been shit. 

 

Honestly, what is your stance? You want Howe out. And get who? You don't like the man who won us a trophy and another league cup final? The man who took us back into the Champions League TWICE. You're mental. 

[astraguy]

Stick with Eddie, Give him a squad to compete . The best ever finished 13th twice!

[Astroblack]

17 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

Very strange points, City aren't a real football team?

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see them as a real football team. I can honestly respect every ither team in the league because they did it in an organic way at some point or another. City? Just threw money at it. Robinho going to City was a fucking joke. Hell, I can respect Chelsea, they were doing things in the 90s.  

 

City's a boss fight. They're far superior to every team in the league. Before them, I felt like there was somewhat of an even playing ground, Liverpool got 97 points and still lost the league. Look at what Arsenal are doing to win the league, the most disgusting ugly horrific football possible. Because City have stacked the deck. You can only hope they have an off year. I hate 'em. Sign Grealish for 100m, sign Savinho, sign Negredo, sign Nasri, sign Adebayor, sign Toure, Clichy, they can sign whoever they want, they can all do shit and they'll sell them all and buy another 10 players. There's not jeopardy with them. They have bloody Haaland up top ffs. That's not man, that's a machine. 

[The Bonk]

17 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Stick with Eddie, Give him a squad to compete . The best ever finished 13th twice!

 

This is his squad. He should have them competing better and hopefully does next season. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

42 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

My apologies, I'm just on the wind up - in a weird mood.

 

I wish more people were just on the windup 

[Jonas]

24 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

Honestly these are not bad manager stats. 

 

 

Benfica - 41 win, 15 draws, 15 losses. That's not bad. 

He got Blackburn promoted, won them a cup and kept them in the league. That's a good job. I hate the fucker but that is a respectable job. 

58 win percentage at Galatasaray + a cup, sounds pretty good to me. 

 

Liverpool stats are horrific, I'll give you that but I think he's had a decent managerial career tbh. Southampton have perennially been shit. 

 

Honestly, what is your stance? You want Howe out. And get who? You don't like the man who won us a trophy and another league cup final? The man who took us back into the Champions League TWICE. You're mental. 

He was an unmitigating disaster at Benfica. 

"Benfica unexpectedly crashes in Israel for unthinkable numbers. Still, the Champions League is a reality – as his the ever present controversy caused by Souness. His signings – Michael Thomas and Mark Pembridge in July, Dean Saunders in January, Steve Harkness and Gary Charles in March – rarely ever get it right. Adding to this, the problems with the players are recurring and successive examples of stubbornness force him out, after a home draw against Campomaiorense. By then, Champions League, Portuguese League and Portuguese Cup were a thing of the past. Till the end, it is Shéu who leads the team, and holds on to the third place with a draw in the last match-day..." — Rui Miguel Tovar on the season events

 

99% of people knew he'd be a disaster here which could only have been based on what he'd done previously. 

 

I've never even said I want Howe out, haven't even voted on the matter. Just because people can accept the reality this has been a poor season and are dismissive of the excuses for it doesn't automatically mean that.

[Astroblack]

3 minutes ago, Jonas said:

He was an unmitigating disaster at Benfica. 

"Benfica unexpectedly crashes in Israel for unthinkable numbers. Still, the Champions League is a reality – as his the ever present controversy caused by Souness. His signings – Michael Thomas and Mark Pembridge in July, Dean Saunders in January, Steve Harkness and Gary Charles in March – rarely ever get it right. Adding to this, the problems with the players are recurring and successive examples of stubbornness force him out, after a home draw against Campomaiorense. By then, Champions League, Portuguese League and Portuguese Cup were a thing of the past. Till the end, it is Shéu who leads the team, and holds on to the third place with a draw in the last match-day..." — Rui Miguel Tovar on the season events

 

99% of people knew he'd be a disaster here which could only have been based on what he'd done previously. 

 

I've never even said I want Howe out, haven't even voted on the matter. Just because people can accept the reality this has been a poor season and are dismissive of the excuses for it doesn't automatically mean that.

 

But you don't want to give him any credit, you just want to batter him during his worst period and not apply any context as to why it's bad. 

 

Who do you want? Who can we get? If we're getting rejected by every player in the world, we'd just end up with the third fourth or sixth choice manager option. If Howe was doing what he's done here with let's say Brighton, we wouldn't be able to sign him. We're lucky to have to him. You should appreciate the fact that he's here. 

[Kimbo]

51 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Stick with Eddie, Give him a squad to compete . The best ever finished 13th twice!

He doesn’t want a new squad, he has said he wants fewer incomings than the 6 we had last summer.

 

 

Edited May 11 by Kimbo

[duo]

Enjoy next season with Hall at RB and Burn at LB

[Wallsendmag]

23 minutes ago, Jonas said:

He was an unmitigating disaster at Benfica. 

"Benfica unexpectedly crashes in Israel for unthinkable numbers. Still, the Champions League is a reality – as his the ever present controversy caused by Souness. His signings – Michael Thomas and Mark Pembridge in July, Dean Saunders in January, Steve Harkness and Gary Charles in March – rarely ever get it right. Adding to this, the problems with the players are recurring and successive examples of stubbornness force him out, after a home draw against Campomaiorense. By then, Champions League, Portuguese League and Portuguese Cup were a thing of the past. Till the end, it is Shéu who leads the team, and holds on to the third place with a draw in the last match-day..." — Rui Miguel Tovar on the season events

 

99% of people knew he'd be a disaster here which could only have been based on what he'd done previously. 

 

I've never even said I want Howe out, haven't even voted on the matter. Just because people can accept the reality this has been a poor season and are dismissive of the excuses for it doesn't automatically mean that.

 

Still remember when we beat his Liverpool team 3-0, Andy Cole getting a hattrick and everyone mockingly chanting "Souness for Sunderland!". 

 

That's how bad he was 

[nufcjmc]

24 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

He doesn’t want a new squad, he has said he wants fewer incomings than the 6 we had last summer.

 

 

 

Still hoping he means depending who we sell and for instance immediate 1st team replacement is 

1x keeper 

1 x RB - tino away

1 x midfielder - willock replacement 

1 x striker- can't keep all 3 of the current lot surely

1 x LW- Gordon away

 

We also need rotation CB for Thiaw if schar goes, rotation LWB for hall rotation RWB for trips maybe in Eddie's mind these players need to be brought in but can introduced  more slowly with gentler bedding in time so don't form the immediate first 11 changes he's worried of introducing all at once. 

 

That or everything stays the same and we only sign replacement for who we sell which means pope for another year and BDB LB cover, strikers retained and willock extended....

 

 

Edited May 11 by nufcjmc

[Robster]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Still remember when we beat his Liverpool team 3-0, Andy Cole getting a hattrick and everyone mockingly chanting "Souness for Sunderland!". 

 

That's how bad he was 

He was bad but also, we were absolutely brilliant,

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Kimbo said:

He doesn’t want a new squad, he has said he wants fewer incomings than the 6 we had last summer.

 

 

 

He might want to start playing some of his summer signings then  

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

He might want to start playing some of his summer signings then  

I’d rather he didn’t tbh 

[Lush Vlad]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

I’d rather he didn’t tbh 

Yeah. You’re probably right there  

[Mattoon]

What manager in his right mind is going to announce to the footballing world that we're going to be splashing any kind of cash in the next window? What manager is going to burn bridges with players he might have to keep if no one is in for them? Bit of common sense folks?