Coffee_Johnny Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 9 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Disappointing and brutal season. Isak, 58 games, Wissa, terrible goalkeepers - plus a manager who couldn't find a solution. The result being a very mixed bag with some highs and a lot of painful lows. Personally won't put too much weight into anything that happened after the Nou Camp. Prior to then, everything was in our hands but that night was a wrecking ball to the season. He isn't going anywhere (rightly so, imo, though that's not a military-grade position), so all we can do is look forward to a reshuffle and a fresh start. Hopefully he can find his mojo again with a refreshed squad. Hopefully people won't be complete cunts about a man who has delivered more than we could've realistically dreamed of, just for having the gall to deliver a sub-par league performance. But I won't hold my breath. Lovely to read a reasoned, rational summary and some proportionate disappointment. I’m all out of words at the moment. Fair play that man 👏. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 3 minutes ago, Nucasol said: This. Instead he went to tinker on an experiment that none of us could fathom what it was. Just fucking stupid and bizarre in equal measure. It wasn’t even an experiment, he just bought Burn and Murphy back in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: It’s going to be brutal for him if there’s a sluggish start next season. I don’t think he’ll have much leeway at all. For me he’s back to zero. The goodwill completely eroded after this season. An average season and he’d still have some in the bank. This was a poor season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, SUPERTOON said: It wasn’t even an experiment, he just bought Burn and Murphy back in Anyone thinking they won’t be involved next season lives in cloud cuckoo land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 We got beat off Sunderland Bournemouth Fulham Palace arsenal and drew against forest in our champions league qualifying run in. That's with one game a week wheres the fight the desire the improvement to get there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I think I may have turned after today. Those selections were a disgrace. These last 7 games that were all so important, to be honest we’ve been terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 8 minutes ago, andycap said: After the nou camp we had the chance to get in the champions league with just one game a week. It's not been good enough nothing has changed with time on the training pitch. We were told all season by the Howepy clappers that our poor performances were due to fatigue and not enough time on the training ground. We've actually been worse since. He's grasping around in the dark not knowing what does or doesn't work. There has been absolutely no sign he has the slightest clue how to trun things around for next season. Edited May 24 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Disappointing and brutal season. Isak, 58 games, Wissa, terrible goalkeepers - plus a manager who couldn't find a solution. The result being a very mixed bag with some highs and a lot of painful lows. Personally won't put too much weight into anything that happened after the Nou Camp. Prior to then, everything was in our hands but that night was a wrecking ball to the season. He isn't going anywhere (rightly so, imo, though that's not a military-grade position), so all we can do is look forward to a reshuffle and a fresh start. Hopefully he can find his mojo again with a refreshed squad. Hopefully people won't be complete cunts about a man who has delivered more than we could've realistically dreamed of, just for having the gall to deliver a sub-par league performance. But I won't hold my breath. The benchmark for me is Aston Villa under Unai Emery. They’ve managed to combine Europe and the Premier League brilliantly, stayed tactically flexible, kept evolving, coped with injuries and still looked like a coherent, well-drilled side during most parts of this season. That’s what a top manager looks like. Eddie Howe is on a completely different planet to Emery tactically and in-game. And honestly, I’m baffled by how many supporters seem perfectly willing to just shrug and say “give him another season” after a campaign like this. Which fanbases in the top six wouldn’t be screaming for the manager’s head after finishing in the bottom half, collapsing repeatedly and sleepwalking through huge parts of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 There was a moment in the match when he was with Tindall and he just shook his head in disbelief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 However needs a massive start to the new season. Think ten games so we can see what the plan is. We can’t look directionless like this next season. I hope he can turn us around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 12 minutes ago, andycap said: After the nou camp we had the chance to get in the champions league with just one game a week. It's not been good enough nothing has changed with time on the training pitch. A lot of us, myself included, thought it would be better at one game a week but it's been fucking dog shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: It wasn’t even an experiment, he just bought Burn and Murphy back in You know ... I really thought a part of him forcing Burn into the team was to ensure he got a World Cup place and that wasn't jeopardised, which I don't agree with at all, but could somewhat understand. Could not believe it when I saw he was starting again today, even after the World Cup squad had been announced and his place had been sealed. We've ended the game with him looking clumsy and awkward at left back again. Then you have Murphy starting on the right again despite being in tragic form and with no reason for him to be in there as he is one that should be moving on now. Does he actually still think this guy is a viable option going forward?! I actually think he does ... Couldn't believe that they both started and really can't understand why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 The bigger worry is our better players seem to be wanting out as they don't seem to be buying into his ways. Tino tonali Gordon isak, if hall decides to find pastures new we are back to square one in pifs vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Time for a change Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 22 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Disappointing and brutal season. Isak, 58 games, Wissa, terrible goalkeepers - plus a manager who couldn't find a solution. The result being a very mixed bag with some highs and a lot of painful lows. Personally won't put too much weight into anything that happened after the Nou Camp. Prior to then, everything was in our hands but that night was a wrecking ball to the season. He isn't going anywhere (rightly so, imo, though that's not a military-grade position), so all we can do is look forward to a reshuffle and a fresh start. Hopefully he can find his mojo again with a refreshed squad. Hopefully people won't be complete cunts about a man who has delivered more than we could've realistically dreamed of, just for having the gall to deliver a sub-par league performance. But I won't hold my breath. Don’t let the snakes get you down, pet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 minutes ago, gbandit said: However needs a massive start to the new season. Think ten games so we can see what the plan is. We can’t look directionless like this next season. I hope he can turn us around If the pattern from previous Premier League managers repeats itself, then the first half of next season will look almost identical to the second half of this one. Managers rarely reverse this kind of decline once the trajectory has clearly turned negative. People can absolutely choose to believe Howe will be the magical exception to the rule, but there are genuinely ZERO signs pointing towards that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonGeordie Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Finishing 12th is a sign of a failing project and things just not working; managers don’t turn it round, and finish top 4/5 the following season. Carrying on with Eddie fills me with dread like, not just for it going wrong, but how it’ll taint his legacy. I’d much rather he just walked away in a week or two, “Cheers Eddie, legend! Thanks for the last few years.” Rather than going through the rigmarole of same again next season, the pressure, another wasted season and his inevitable sacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedders Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Sometimes I think in football it just is what it is. Like games where you just know in your bones we're not going to score, or in the case of Wissa where you just know the No9 is completely wrong. We've all experienced that among us over the years, good and bad, it's more of just a sense than reasoned or rational. We're there with Howe. It's - to my mind - blatantly obvious we've reached the end of the road. The Barca battering was it. He'd made stupid, unfathomable decisions in the build-up (playing a 1st eleven vs CarrierBag in the 2nd leg was absolutely absurd) and it was long apparent that we needed to freshen up the approach but once we got completely humbled, the answers, the application, the fabric that made us who we are evaporated completely. What followed was players just not buying what Howe was selling and it's fairly easy to see the likes of Gordon, Tonali and others just downing tools. This is not a team that needs new Howe players; this is a team that needs a new direction. Howe has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that he cannot influence that. And he's had an incredible run, over 5 years is a lifetime in football management but that we have repeated the issues of two years ago cannot be overlooked and we're now saddled with a squad 7th at everything (value, wages, revenue) but finishing 12th, its miles away from good enough. Sunderland in the Europa is a sickener. As I said at the start of this, you just 'know'. Most should surely realise Howe's not coming back from this. Sadly, I don't know that our owners get it. If it were me, I'd have been asking him to step down and giving him the right send off long before now and planning for a future with Iraola, Seb Hoeness or going big like Insaghi or Motta. It's the end of the road, but unfortunately those in power haven't worked that out yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofTheFourth Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Next season this next season that. Next season when 8/9 teams are in europe us not being one of them i expect top 6 minimum but next season isnt the problem, its the future european seasons. its been a huge failure of a european season campaign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I was of the belief that the final 7 should decide his job and I really don’t think he’s done what it takes to keep it. Love Eddie to death but very very very disappointed in how we’ve finished the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 5 points off Europe is nothing get a grip ffs, Sir Fergie finshed 13th twice without being in the cl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 17 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Disappointing and brutal season. Isak, 58 games, Wissa, terrible goalkeepers - plus a manager who couldn't find a solution. The result being a very mixed bag with some highs and a lot of painful lows. Personally won't put too much weight into anything that happened after the Nou Camp. Prior to then, everything was in our hands but that night was a wrecking ball to the season. He isn't going anywhere (rightly so, imo, though that's not a military-grade position), so all we can do is look forward to a reshuffle and a fresh start. Hopefully he can find his mojo again with a refreshed squad. Hopefully people won't be complete cunts about a man who has delivered more than we could've realistically dreamed of, just for having the gall to deliver a sub-par league performance. But I won't hold my breath. Just left the game and massive disagree, we were 14th in the league when we played Barcelona, what was actually in our hands? we weren't in form. 58 games isn't and can't be used as excuse,that's what happens when you qualify for Europe. We got beat twice by our rivals who went on to qualify for Europa League after 10 years away from the league, that's just the reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) https://x.com/i/status/2058596003499176089 Jamie Reuben Edited May 24 by vexred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 10 minutes ago, Milburn said: The benchmark for me is Aston Villa under Unai Emery. They’ve managed to combine Europe and the Premier League brilliantly, stayed tactically flexible, kept evolving, coped with injuries and still looked like a coherent, well-drilled side during most parts of this season. That’s what a top manager looks like. Eddie Howe is on a completely different planet to Emery tactically and in-game. And honestly, I’m baffled by how many supporters seem perfectly willing to just shrug and say “give him another season” after a campaign like this. Which fanbases in the top six wouldn’t be screaming for the manager’s head after finishing in the bottom half, collapsing repeatedly and sleepwalking through huge parts of the season? Love Eddie and would get little to no satisfaction from him being sacked / wont be calling for it this summer, but this is all absolutely right. I just can’t see him finding a solution without completely reinventing himself - which he absolutely won’t do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, vexred said: https://x.com/i/status/2058596003499176089 Jamie Reuben This guy can fuck off as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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