Eddie Howe

[Wallsendmag]

7 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

I think fans would of been happy but reality is Europe was easy to qualify for this year, Brighton finished with 53 points newly promoted Sunderland also qualified, we have to get Europa league this year.

 

 

 

 

We finished 7th 2 seasons ago (same amount of points as 8th place) and people were genuinely satisfied. As it happens we didn't finish 8th this season so I'm unsure as to what his point was, if there was one.

[dcmk]

Keep reading that Eddie Howe is only interested in athletes, but isn't every player in the top teams an elite athlete.  I don't get why this is levelled at Howe as a criticism.

 

Looking at the PSG team, and can't find a single player who doesn't work hard.

[Fak]

Just now, dcmk said:

Keep reading that Eddie Howe is only interested in athletes, but isn't every player in the top teams an elite athlete.  I don't get why this is levelled at Howe as a criticism.

 

Looking at the PSG team, and can't find a single player who doesn't work hard.

 

The PSG players are elite athletes as well as athlete footballers.

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

The PSG players are elite athletes as well as athlete footballers.

 

Is the belief that Eddie Howe purposely wants elite athletes who are not elite footballers?

 

Is that more likely than those players being too expensive / unavailable to NUFC?

[Fak]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

Is the belief that Eddie Howe purposely wants elite athletes who are not elite footballers?

 

Is that more likely than those players being too expensive / unavailable to NUFC?

 

Yeah i think we're priced out of buying players who are very good athletes as well as very good footballers.

 

My post was just in response to your comment about PSGs players. Wasn't arguing or owt pal.

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

The PSG players are elite athletes as well as athlete footballers.

With our budgets we can't shop at that level, as witnessed by the rejection of our targets last summer.

 

So wondering why keeps getting brought up as a negative of Howe, that just wants runners when in fact he's constantly tried to improve the team with better players.  Etikeke, Cunha, Szoboslai, Maddison etc etc.

 

It's lazy.

[Ikon]

Like a bad fisherman saying there’s no fish in the sea. Absolute horse shit that there aren’t good enough athletes with very good technical ability out there that we can/could of got.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 19:45 by Ikon

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

With our budgets we can't shop at that level, as witnessed by the rejection of our targets last summer.

 

So wondering why keeps getting brought up as a negative of Howe, that just wants runners when in fact he's constantly tried to improve the team with better players.  Etikeke, Cunha, Szoboslai, Maddison etc etc.

 

It's lazy.

 

See my last post fella.

[Skeletor]

For me:

The good:

-Saved us from what looked like an unavoidable Brewce'd relegation

-Two Champions League finishing positions

-First trophy in 70 years

-Likeable and carries himself in a very professional way

-At times we have been an exciting attacking team and even for one season looked impossible to score against

-Bought some great players

-Seems to eat, sleep and breathe football

-Will probably qualify for CL again with one game per week.

 

The bad:

 

-Loyalty to poor players

-Preference for players with athletic ability over footballing ability

-Lack of adaptation and evolution of play

-Not proactive during games when plan A isn't working

-Can't manage 3 games a week which a top manager has to do

-Absolutely turd to watch this season and leaking goals for fun

-Preference for expensive PL players has left us in most seasons with holes in the squad that should have been filled but weren't.

-Takes too long to adapt new players into his system

[duo]

50 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Keep reading that Eddie Howe is only interested in athletes, but isn't every player in the top teams an elite athlete.  I don't get why this is levelled at Howe as a criticism.

I think it is that he looks for athletic ability over technical ability which means we've not the players to play possession based football if we need to keep the ball.

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

I think it is that he looks for athletic ability over technical ability which means we've not the players to play possession based football if we need to keep the ball.

To me it looks like he's trying, and has, signed some highly technical players. 

[duo]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

To me it looks like he's trying, and has, signed some highly technical players. 

I think the only players of late who would fall into that bracket are Ramsey and Woltemade who he rarely plays.  Elanga not technical, Wissa not technical.  

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, duo said:

I think the only players of late who would fall into that bracket are Ramsey and Woltemade who he rarely plays.  Elanga not technical, Wissa not technical.  

I mean he's tried to sign Ekiteke, Cunha to name just two highly technical players this summer.  Woltemade signing, was a him or no one, type of signing.  Which hasn't paid off at all, as he can't move around the pitch quick enough to be effective in the Premier League.  Ironically we could have been better off with someone more athletic and less technical instead.

 

Wissa, I'll give you, was a proven goal scorer (at the time at least).

 

This particular narrative around Howe isn't very convincing.

[Magpie Mover]

IMO the amount of points we got or the position we finished in is pretty irrelevant. The famous eye test tells me we are poorly coached, predictable and mentally weak and worst of all absolutely awful and boring to watch.

[Erikse]

Second longest-serving manager in the PL behind Arteta. Third longest if you count Championship aswell (behind the Wrexham manager).

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 21:49 by Erikse

[Wolfcastle]

2 hours ago, dcmk said:

Keep reading that Eddie Howe is only interested in athletes, but isn't every player in the top teams an elite athlete.  I don't get why this is levelled at Howe as a criticism.

 

Looking at the PSG team, and can't find a single player who doesn't work hard.

A big reason is were a poor watch.  A change in style of play would be welcome and the current style isn't even getting results

[Heron]

Absolutely love this "poorly coached" line being dished out

 

The same "poorly coached" players who for the significant, most part have all improved in their time here, gone on to win a trophy, play champions league football, play for their national sides, be sold for improved sums of money, etc.

 

But aye. Fuck you Eddie. You made them worse.

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:28 by Heron

[Colos Short and Curlies]

28 minutes ago, Heron said:

Absolutely love this "poorly coached" line being dished out

 

The same "poorly coached" players who for the significant, most part have all improved in their time here, gone on to win a trophy, play champions league football, play for their national sides, be sold for improved sums of money, etc.

 

But aye. Fuck you Eddie. You made them worse.

 

 

 

 

 

You're right to fight back against the poorly coached line being bandied around, but it is fair to say the team was coached poorly last year compared to previous years. 

 

It's also fair to argue that some players peaked 12-18 months ago and (again relative to previous seasons) have regressed since.

[cubaricho]

2 hours ago, Magpie Mover said:

IMO the amount of points we got or the position we finished in is pretty irrelevant. The famous eye test tells me we are poorly coached, predictable and mentally weak and worst of all absolutely awful and boring to watch.

You honestly don’t have to watch if you actually feel this way. It’s pretty easy. 

[Heron]

6 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

You're right to fight back against the poorly coached line being bandied around, but it is fair to say the team was coached poorly last year compared to previous years. 

 

It's also fair to argue that some players peaked 12-18 months ago and (again relative to previous seasons) have regressed since.

I'm not sure I even agree that they were coached poorly last year to be honest. That first half at Barcelona was some of the best football I've seen a Newcastle side play.

 

Against Chelsea at home we absolutely battered them. Liverpool and Arsenal we played well. Man United. There are loads of games last season where, for the first half, or even the first hour in some cases, we were absolutely fine.

 

The players themselves have even come out and lay the blame at their own door and not Eddie's.

 

We may have been fragile mentally, we may have been tactically out done in later stages of games and been predictable, we may have been unmotivated, but poorly coached is one thing they're not, in my opinion (of course).

[cubaricho]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

I'm not sure I even agree that they were coached poorly last year to be honest. That first half at Barcelona was some of the best football I've seen a Newcastle side play.

 

Against Chelsea at home we absolutely battered them. Liverpool and Arsenal we played well. Man United. There are loads of games last season where, for the first half, or even the first hour in some cases, we were absolutely fine.

 

The players themselves have even come out and lay the blame at their own door and not Eddie's.

 

We may have been fragile mentally, we may have been tactically out done in later stages of games and been predictable, we may have been unmotivated, but poorly coached is one thing they're not, in my opinion (of course).

Hell yeah. 

[Zero]

Rather than “coached poorly”, I would say Eddie focused on physical trainings much much more than other managers / coaches 

 

It might not be a bad thing. For example, Hall was weak as fuck when he first joined us. Now he is a lot more stronger and, since he’s technically brilliant even before joining us, he become an all round full back. 
 

Of course there are also some drawbacks. Just like Trippier - once a technically brilliant footballer with world class set piece skills - completely lost it after a few years. He was Englands best free kick taker. In a way Bruno as well. I really think his technique was better a few years ago, but he became one of the best B2B player in the world after trained by Eddie.

 

 

Thats why sometimes you really can’t let the manager to have control on transfers. Using Hall / Elanga as example, since Eddie requires his players to run and press, he would always prefer to buy players like Elanga whom have excellent physical attributes. But if you give him a Hall type of player, probably just 1 year later, Eddie can simply evolve the player to the next level.

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Zero

[54]

3 minutes ago, Zero said:

Rather than “coached poorly”, I would say Eddie focused on physical trainings much much more than his piers. 

I get what you're saying, but what evidence is there of this? Especially given Arteta is in the league and his brand of football has been the norm this past season. 

[Zero]

My friend said Leao is not Eddie type of player so not suitable for Newcastle. I told him if he is willing to be trained by Eddie he could become the best left winger in the world. 
 

I won’t be surprised if we see a totally different Woltemade next season as well.

 

But for Elanga, even if he become stronger and faster, it’s still meaningless.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Zero

[Mills and Boon]

16 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

We finished 7th 2 seasons ago (same amount of points as 8th place) and people were genuinely satisfied. As it happens we didn't finish 8th this season so I'm unsure as to what his point was, if there was one.

 

For the third time, my point is that even if we did get an extra 4 points or so and finished 8th this season, the constant moaners would still not be happy with it. I don't think an 8th place finish is enough to satisfy people who have been whinging their cunt out about Howe all season. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, fuck knows how you're struggling with it.

 

When we finished 7th some were happy enough, but there were also people making Howe Out noises too. It only stopped for a couple of months after the cup win, people were itching to get their pitchforks back out again